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[cubsfan]

18 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

I have asked about exactly that in a post adressed to active CofB&F members living in DC, posted recently, earlier in this topic, for input on facts and personal perceptions and assessments, but unfortunately nobody so far has replied.

 

I have done myself the favor of looking up a video, presenting and documenting to me, what POTUS with a mic turned on actually said said on the matter.

 

The ways things have been presented in both US main stream media and also in news media on my side of the Atlantic pond I consider it a undeniable fact, that POTUS almost everwhere has been misquoted in a - let me call it -, severely biased way, at least. What he said about it actually made good sense to me, subject to his expressed perceptions of the state of things was correct.

 

*shrug* and *sigh*

 

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-cities-have-the-highest-murder-rates/

[dwy000]

1 minute ago, Gregmal said:

Yea, the last 12 months or so crime has come down after getting completely out of control due to awful policy. That’s not something to use as your excuse for the awful policy that got you there, but it’s what they did with the border too…oh we tried in 2024 to pass legislation and numbers are getting better!? Well…yea, after you ran on open borders in 2020 and created a mess!

 

And population? Well I guess if you guys are counting all the illegals youre stashing in once great hotels…sure. In terms of economics though driving away your legal, high earning individuals and businesses isn’t ideal either… bit like clockwork, we ll just pick our side and rationalize how it’s actually not bad but in fact ok.

Population (counted the same way for years) is increasing. https://www.nyc.gov/assets/planning/downloads/pdf/our-work/reports/new-york-city-population-estimates-and-trends_may-2025.pdf

 

Just because you hate NYC doesn't mean any of the things you are claiming are true. Population is up and crime is down. If you don't like it, dont go there but making things up doesnt help.  

[cubsfan]

Just now, dwy000 said:

Population (counted the same way for years) is increasing. https://www.nyc.gov/assets/planning/downloads/pdf/our-work/reports/new-york-city-population-estimates-and-trends_may-2025.pdf

 

Just because you hate NYC doesn't mean any of the things you are claiming are true. Population is up and crime is down. If you don't like it, dont go there but making things up doesnt help.  

 

Yeah, it's a great place if you like homeless encampments, people shitting on the sidewalks and using drugs.  Great atmosphere.

[Gregmal]

7 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

Population (counted the same way for years) is increasing. https://www.nyc.gov/assets/planning/downloads/pdf/our-work/reports/new-york-city-population-estimates-and-trends_may-2025.pdf

 

Just because you hate NYC doesn't mean any of the things you are claiming are true. Population is up and crime is down. If you don't like it, dont go there but making things up doesnt help.  

 

6 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Yeah, it's a great place if you like homeless encampments, people shitting on the sidewalks and using drugs.  Great atmosphere.

Pretty much, but again, he continues to defend this shit so hey, it’s obviously acceptable. They can keep trading the desirable end of the population spectrum(aka the ones fleeing) for the cesspool occupants…it’s all good lol population growth! 
 

And yes I know as is common I said people are fleeing without proper annotation that I was talking about high earning populous(desirables) which left the door wide open for partisan hairsplitting, but again, all good. They can grow the camping population all they want!

[dwy000]

Just now, Gregmal said:

 

Pretty much, but again, he continues to defend this shit so hey, it’s obviously acceptable. They can keep trading the desirable end of the population spectrum(aka the ones fleeing) for the cesspool occupants…it’s all good lol population growth! 
 

And yes I know as is common I said people are fleeing without proper annotation that I was talking about high earning populous(desirables) which left the door wide open for partisan hairsplitting, but again, all good. They can grow the camping population all they want!

Do you have data on that?  Because increasing rents (from what were already some of the highest in the country) would suggest its not the case.  

 

Its easy to shit on any city in the country (or any place really). But what point are you trying to make?  The city is growing. Crime is down. If you dont like the city, dont visit.  

[Cigarbutt]

3 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

IMO deflation over the past few decades is primarily due to the efficiencies of new technologies and resulting competition. 

Factual discussion:

Can you back the above conclusion with evidence (facts, data etc)?

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Political discussion:

Why do you think your country is divided (dividing)?

Dare i ask?   

[Gregmal]

4 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

Because increasing rents (from what were already some of the highest in the country) would suggest its not the case.  

Increasing rents in this instance are because of awful legislation that makes it nearly impossible to build anything. For instance how’s the Penn Station revamp going? Been a decade and still nothing. 
 

5 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

Its easy to shit on any city in the country (or any place really). But what point are you trying to make? 

Well, my original point is the one I made. There’s many very clearly self inflicted wounds there and rather than admit them or take a stand against them, people rather toe the party line and shout “no! Everything is great!”.

[dwy000]

1 minute ago, Gregmal said:

Increasing rents in this instance are because of awful legislation that makes it nearly impossible to build anything. For instance how’s the Penn Station revamp going? Been a decade and still nothing. 
 

Well, my original point is the one I made. There’s many very clearly self inflicted wounds there and rather than admit them or take a stand against them, people rather toe the party line and shout “no! Everything is great!”.

So, no data then?

 

Of course there's issues, as there are in every city in the country. And every town and rural area.  But why are you spending time shitting on a place that you dont live, nobody is making you visit and that clearly millions of people love?

[cubsfan]

10 minutes ago, Cigarbutt said:

Political discussion:

Why do you think your country is divided (dividing)?

Dare i ask?   

 

When you elect a President that runs as the "Great Uniter" and morphs into the "Great Divider" by choosing to use identity politics as his 2nd term election platform, well, then you get division. 

 

It's been a horrible turn for the United States, but we can all thank Barrack Obama for making race/gender/etc - as the leading issue in the country as opposed to unity and the feeling that "we are all Americans".

[John Hjorth]

1 hour ago, cubsfan said:

DC has one of the highest murder rates in the country.

 

1 hour ago, cubsfan said:

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-cities-have-the-highest-murder-rates/

 

Thank very much you for sharing, Mike [ @cubsfan ],

 

Very much appreciated. That's simply just grave, serious stuff.

 

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Add to that, that POTUS works mainly out of DC, his position in US society providing him and his family members still living with him in DC at free housing, all while he perhaps [I don't actually know for a fact] visits especially one personal place in his personal time off work, perhaps also other personal places, like so many other Americans situated 'well off'.

 

So he simply can't help to know, by that fact, about state of things on such matters in DC.

 

And also, I personally, take note of that nobody is pecking on POTUS regards his level of activity at work, energy and engagement, being invested in his own doings, materially different to his first presidential period, where POTUS was expressing 'hard, tough job' as a comment on that he was accused of lazyness, lack of steam, by granting himself personal 'ececutive time' in his public calendar - to get some breaks, likely needed , for him.

 

Now it's 'full throttle forward'. I speculate he has learned and has become better at delegating by 'trust, but verify', because it's not a candy store called Trump Organization any longer he is the head of.

Edited August 13, 2025 by John Hjorth

[Gregmal]

18 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

So, no data then?

 lol good lord. You can’t find data on the relationship between building and rents? 
 

As usual you butt in to nitpick and argue the predictable party line and then try to waste my time asking for answers to things that are either self evident or have already been given to you. 
 

18 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

But why are you spending time shitting on a place that you dont live, nobody is making you visit and that clearly millions of people love?

Well, cuz we were talking about self inflicted wounds that are fully enabled by partisan brain rot. Like you do realize there’s a reason red state politicians are hoping you guys elect Mandami right? The stupidity in certain places just never seems to stop even when it’s self evident. I also would consider myself a real estate investor and well, yes, there’s overlap in terms of how things work there as well…why spend time discussing things that matter… beats me.

Edited August 13, 2025 by Gregmal

[cubsfan]

10 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

 

Thank very much you for sharing, Mike [ @cubsfan ],

 

Very much appreciated. That's simply just grave, serious stuff.

 

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Add to that, that POTUS works mainly out of DC, his position in US society providing him and his family members still living with him in DC at free housing, all while he perhaps [I don't actually know for a fact] visits especially one personal place in his personal time off work, perhaps also other personal places, like so many other Americans situated 'well off'.

 

So he simply can't help to know, by that fact, about state of things on such matters in DC.

 

And also, I personally, take note of that nobody is pecking on POTUS regards his level of activity at work, energy and engagement, being invested in his own doings, materially different to his first presidential period, where POTUS was expressing 'hard, tough job' as a comment on that he was accused of lazyness, lack of steam, by granting himself personal 'ececutive time' in his public calendar - to get some breaks, likely needed , for him.

 

Now it's 'full throttle forward'. I speculate he has learned and has becone better at delegating by 'trust, but verify', because it's not a candy store called Trump Organization any longer he is the head of.

 

I think you're correct. We're seeing a much different 2nd term, hitting the ground running, using "shock and awe" in lightening fashion, so much so, that the opposition can not keep up with him. 

 

Americans are loving it - we are not used to politicians making promises and then actually following through with immeadiate action. We are used to lying and then doing whatever they can to get re-elected -- which mean doing just enough to stay in power and not make any waves.  Not this guy - he's here to shake things up monumentally.

 

This is a historic Presidential run.

[dwy000]

4 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

lol good lord. You can’t find data on the relationship between building and rents? 
 

As usual you butt in to nitpick and the predictable party line and then try to waste my time asking for answers to things that are either self evident or have already been given to you. 
 

Well, cuz we were talking about self inflicted wounds that are fully enabled by partisan brain rot. Like you do realize there’s a reason red state politicians are hoping you guys elect Mandami right? The stupidity in certain places just never seems to stop even when it’s self evident. 

What party line?  You made claims that were incorrect and i simply pointed that out.  No party line. You were the one making claims about population segments leaving, not me. I just asked for the supporting data because it sounds very random and not self evident at all.  

 

NYC's demise lines up with your claims about inflation - always about to happen but never actually does.  

 

I just find it interesting that almost every post of yours has to shit on something or someone or some generic "they".  Why not just make the point for discussion and leave it at that?

[Gregmal]

11 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

What party line?  You made claims that were incorrect and i simply pointed that out.  No party line. You were the one making claims about population segments leaving, not me. I just asked for the supporting data because it sounds very random and not self evident at all.  

 

NYC's demise lines up with your claims about inflation - always about to happen but never actually does.  

You think things are fine. Nobody is fleeing. Crime is acceptable. Loads of empty office space while facing an apartment shortage...good to know. Got it. Enjoy it. Definitely rewarding compensation for all the taxes being paid as well...Seriously though, theres this weird thing with New Yorkers where they take the word "demise" like literally as hell and then try to aggressively act like they are bucking some trend as an underdog...strange, but again, NY is clearly losing relevance in the world(yes while still having highest tax receipts..pre emotive strike on another stupid nitpick point) to other more sensible and business friendly places in the country and world. Same with Chicago....if you need "data" to confirm this...god bless you. At least it's "bucking the demise".....cough ignore all the empty office owners and people checking their 400 sq ft apartments regularly for mold or feces in between quadruple dead bolting their doors. 

 

It's also a stupid COBF/internet troll tactic to relentless ask people for "data" to derail things, especially in cases where common sense should just take over. It's almost even a government agency type tactic, needing to cite a source or something rather than just carry on. Obviously regardless of what data you are faced with, you will just stick to your predictable side. Just like no matter what occurs with Trump, you always happen to find something negative or critical. Thats the rot I was referring to in the OP. Great roundabout discussion here putting a bow on the original point. Tis all...Cheers. 

Edited August 13, 2025 by Gregmal

[thepupil]

 

52 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

Do you have data on that?  Because increasing rents (from what were already some of the highest in the country) would suggest its not the case.  

 

Its easy to shit on any city in the country (or any place really). But what point are you trying to make?  The city is growing. Crime is down. If you dont like the city, dont visit.  

 

this article is pretty recent and has a fair amount of data regarding the capital flight from NYC.

https://nypost.com/2025/05/01/us-news/14b-in-income-left-nyc-as-residents-fled-to-florida/

 

I live in blue state america. it works for me. I make/have enough to offset its shortcomings, but there's no question the value proposition is declining. 

 

 

 

Edited August 13, 2025 by thepupil

[dwy000]

3 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

You think things are fine. Nobody is fleeing. Crime is acceptable. Loads of empty office space while facing an apartment shortage...good to know. Got it. Enjoy it. Definitely rewarding compensation for all the taxes being paid as well...Seriously though, theres this weird thing with New Yorkers where they take the word "demise" like literally as hell and then try to aggressively act like they are bucking some trend as an underdog...strange, but again, NY is clearly losing relevance in the world(yes while still having highest tax receipts..pre emotive strike on another stupid nitpick point) to other more sensible and business friendly places in the country and world. Same with Chicago....if you need "data" to confirm this...god bless you. At least it's "bucking the demise".....cough ignore all the empty office owners and people checking their 400 sq ft apartments regularly for mold or feces in between quadruple dead bolting their doors. 

 

It's also a stupid COBF/internet troll tactic to relentless ask people for "data" to derail things, especially in cases where common sense should just take over. It's almost even a government agency type tactic, needing to cite a source or something rather than just carry on. Obviously regardless of what data you are faced with, you will just stick to your predictable side. Just like no matter what occurs with Trump, you always happen to find something negative or critical. Thats the rot I was referring to in the OP. Great roundabout discussion here putting a bow on the original point. Tis all...Cheers. 

As Ive said, NYC has a lot of issues!  A lot.  As you would expect of the largest city in the country. Or anywhere to be honest.  But crime is down and the population is up regardless of what issues you have with a place you neither live or want to visit.  Obviously there are millions who disagree. 

 

And the actual troll tactic is to post incorrect comments like they are fact and then blame people who ask you to support the very fact you claimed!  Very Trumpian. 

[dwy000]

3 minutes ago, thepupil said:

 

 

this article is pretty recent and has a fair amount of data regarding the capital flight from NYC.

https://nypost.com/2025/05/01/us-news/14b-in-income-left-nyc-as-residents-fled-to-florida/

 

I live in blue state america. it works for me. I make/have enough to offset its shortcomings, but there's no question the value proposition is declining. 

 

 

 

Oh I think a lot of the tax and social issues are stupid and probably harmful.  They will self correct over the years.  But the moneyed sorts leaving has always been the case for NYC.  Its where young people go to make it and then when you get older and richer you leave. 

[Gregmal]

1 minute ago, dwy000 said:

And the actual troll tactic is to post incorrect comments like they are fact and then blame people who ask you to support the very fact you claimed!  Very Trumpian. 

Yes, if you want to split hairs to nitpick like you've become known to do about everything, yes I was incorrect. Technically theres more bodies with a pulse in NYC today, than last year, by like one tenth of one fraction of a percent or something super nitpicky. However if you follow the commentary around the subject now for years, and especially mine(which you seem to follow closely) you'd know the context of my reference relates to desirables leaving. Folks and businesses that contribute substantially to their local economies. People whom make up the majority of the tax base. But yea...guess you "got me"..

[Gregmal]

5 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

Oh I think a lot of the tax and social issues are stupid and probably harmful.

Nice so you can admit my point for me, just not to me!

[dwy000]

Just now, Gregmal said:

Nice so you can admit my point for me, just not to me!

Ive never once had an issue with these points. We are actually in agreement about dumb tax and other policies in NYC.  I had an issue with using incorrect information and shitting on people to make the point that the policies are dumb. 

[dwy000]

1 minute ago, dwy000 said:

Ive never once had an issue with these points. We are actually in agreement about dumb tax and other policies in NYC.  I had an issue with using incorrect information and shitting on people to make the point that the policies are dumb. 

In fact this is part of a larger argument. I actually think you make a ton of great points and arguments and broader thinking (and ive like a couple of the stock suggestions). But then you bury it in rhetoric of "those morons" and hateful comments such that the great points get buried or are more divisive because youre suggesting people with differing opinions are morons and idiots. 

[cubsfan]

12 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

In fact this is part of a larger argument. I actually think you make a ton of great points and arguments and broader thinking (and ive like a couple of the stock suggestions). But then you bury it in rhetoric of "those morons" and hateful comments such that the great points get buried or are more divisive because youre suggesting people with differing opinions are morons and idiots. 

 

Listen to you.

 

The pot calling the kettle black - we know what you think about "the cult".....

[73 Reds]

1 hour ago, Cigarbutt said:

Factual discussion:

Can you back the above conclusion with evidence (facts, data etc)?

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Political discussion:

Why do you think your country is divided (dividing)?

Dare i ask?   

Data to demonstrate that technology makes things more efficient and therefore cheaper to generate or produce?  Is anyone arguing against that point?    As for divisiveness in the US, there has always been differences between political parties, but they have become much more stark IMO due to big money being thrown at divisive issues by corrupt people and organizations with far from pure motives.

Edited August 13, 2025 by 73 Reds
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[dealraker]

2 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

In fact this is part of a larger argument. I actually think you make a ton of great points and arguments and broader thinking (and ive like a couple of the stock suggestions). But then you bury it in rhetoric of "those morons" and hateful comments such that the great points get buried or are more divisive because youre suggesting people with differing opinions are morons and idiots. 

I've decided that it is a financial factitious disorder whereby someone thinks others are conceptually sick and desperately need their help.  There's repeated reference to what's assumed that others think and state...when in actuality only the writer himself has stated those things.  Then comes the mandated "Me right; You wrong" that's repeated often for years on the exact same topic...that no one else mentions or evidently even cares about.  The combination of the things assumed added to the who's right/wrong seems to get stuck in motion, it goes circular, literally repeating within the same isolated mind - on the same irrelevant/meaningless topic.   

[Gregmal]

7 minutes ago, dealraker said:

I've decided that it is a financial factitious disorder whereby someone thinks others are conceptually sick and desperately need their help.  There's repeated reference to what's assumed that others think and state...when in actuality only the writer himself has stated those things.  Then comes the mandated "Me right; You wrong" that's repeated often for years on the exact same topic...that no one else mentions or evidently even cares about.  The combination of the things assumed added to the who's right/wrong seems to get stuck in motion, it goes circular, literally repeating within the same isolated mind - on the same irrelevant/meaningless topic.   

Never…..quite….bold enough….to….engage…directly! 
 

nice