Gregmal Posted April 21 Posted April 21 Well I do think one thing has become quite clear in terms of a glaring weakness of the USA. That yea indeed, some of these other countries, especially ones controlled by hardline regimes, are far tougher than us when it comes to the short term repercussions of a war. That is 100% correct. The Iranian leadership will hide in bunkers as their citizens starve and see all their belongings blown up. Meanwhile, the US? You have democrats rooting against the country, and regular citizens whining about $4 gas and the fact that a 10% stock market pullback makes them feel threatened lmfao. Total bunch of pussies.
cwericb Posted April 21 Posted April 21 7 minutes ago, cubsfan said: You're joking right?? The greatest military victory possible with 13 deaths (tragic, absolutely). And the world without a nuclear Iran... an Iran with their military absolutely destroyed...an embarrassed Iran that screams "Death to everyone", crushed with all their terrorist leaders dead....an Iran military that EVERYONE and their brother were terrified of, that turns out to be total paper tiger. And you're worried about $4 gas? That's a real joke. If Iran's military is "absolutely destroyed" why hasn't the US puts boots on the ground and replaced the government. Just so much more baloney. ...... And if "nuclear Iran is no more what happened to the enriched uranium? As usual you will not confront any of the points brought up.
cwericb Posted April 21 Posted April 21 1 minute ago, TB said: Very well put together post; the economies are highly integrated in many places and most of Canada lives within sixty miles of US border. 70-80% of Canada goods exports are to the US and 15% of US goods exports are to Canada. Canada investors have direct access to US financial markets and vice versa. (up to 45% of Canada equities are owned by US investors). It makes sense to trade more between US/Canada and not less Talk about the US shooting itself in the foot .....
Sweet Posted April 21 Posted April 21 13 minutes ago, Lazarus said: The weakness Cubs, is that neither Trump nor Bibi seem to want to put boots on the ground. And Iranian resolve is stronger - they are fighting for their homeland. They are willing and able to put up with economic strangulation far more than the American public is willing to even suffer high gas prices. There's no comparison. Unless the USA actually invades and forces a regime change, they will walk away with the Iranian regime being stronger than before the war. Wouldn’t say they are stronger than before, but largely agree. The war aims were to stop Iran getting a nuke. If the war ends and Iran just starts enriching weapons grade uranium and further developing ballistic missiles then it’s most definitely a strategic win for Iran. Iran might have had their military wrecked, they might have had serious set-backs, but war has goals and aims, and if the US and Israel fails to achieve their prewar goals their campaign has failed whatever their other successes. It’s too soon to predict an ending, but without troops on the ground the US and Israel are leaving it to fate.
Sweet Posted April 21 Posted April 21 10 minutes ago, Gregmal said: Well I do think one thing has become quite clear in terms of a glaring weakness of the USA. That yea indeed, some of these other countries, especially ones controlled by hardline regimes, are far tougher than us when it comes to the short term repercussions of a war. That is 100% correct. The Iranian leadership will hide in bunkers as their citizens starve and see all their belongings blown up. Meanwhile, the US? You have democrats rooting against the country, and regular citizens whining about $4 gas and the fact that a 10% stock market pullback makes them feel threatened lmfao. Total bunch of pussies. Think it’s democracies in general, not just the US. I think democracies need to be tougher. Too easy to say, not my war. Seen it with Ukraine, see it here, ironically many people are straddling both camps depending on the war.
cubsfan Posted April 21 Posted April 21 17 minutes ago, cwericb said: Well if Iran is "completely broken", why is the US still stuck there? Why is all that enriched uranium still in Iran under Iranian control? Your "completely broken" sounds like "Iran's nuclear has been obliterated". Just more BS. Lots of control! Uranium bombed and buried, 100% under satellite surveillance, waiting for someone to try and retrieve it, only to be bombed again. What a way to live!
cwericb Posted April 21 Posted April 21 2 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Lots of control! Uranium bombed and buried, 100% under satellite surveillance, waiting for someone to try and retrieve it, only to be bombed again. What a way to live! Oh? Where did you see the enriched uranium has been bombed?
cubsfan Posted April 21 Posted April 21 5 minutes ago, Sweet said: Think it’s democracies in general, not just the US. I think democracies need to be tougher. Too easy to say, not my war. Seen it with Ukraine, see it here, ironically many people are straddling both camps depending on the war. 100% correct. Too much wealth, for too long, no threats to your country, makes you forget what got you there. IF you want to see tough people, check Ukraine & Israel.
cubsfan Posted April 21 Posted April 21 24 minutes ago, Gregmal said: Well I do think one thing has become quite clear in terms of a glaring weakness of the USA. That yea indeed, some of these other countries, especially ones controlled by hardline regimes, are far tougher than us when it comes to the short term repercussions of a war. That is 100% correct. The Iranian leadership will hide in bunkers as their citizens starve and see all their belongings blown up. Meanwhile, the US? You have democrats rooting against the country, and regular citizens whining about $4 gas and the fact that a 10% stock market pullback makes them feel threatened lmfao. Total bunch of pussies. This is very true. You have a regime that will either die at the hands of Israel/US or will die when the Iranian people execute them. So they will fight. If you haven't noticed, the regime has been bringing in thousands of paid fighters from Iraq & Pakistan. How long will that last if they are not paid? Where are all the Iranian citizens lining up to fight on behalf of the regime? This is the last gasp of a dying regime. They have no way out. No allies. No army. No oil. No money once the blockade sets in. Time is not on their side.
cubsfan Posted April 21 Posted April 21 28 minutes ago, cwericb said: If Iran's military is "absolutely destroyed" why hasn't the US puts boots on the ground and replaced the government. Just so much more baloney. ...... And if "nuclear Iran is no more what happened to the enriched uranium? As usual you will not confront any of the points brought up. Why in the world would the USA be in a hurry to put boots on the ground? You think Trump is stupid? You think he wants to incur a bunch of dead Americans from roadside bombs and mines when he can just continue obliterating the infrastructure assets? When he can just cut off the regime from oil exports and bleed them dry? Trump is not as stupid as you think.
cwericb Posted April 21 Posted April 21 2 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Why in the world would the USA be in a hurry to put boots on the ground? You think Trump is stupid? You think he wants to incur a bunch of dead Americans from roadside bombs and mines when he can just continue obliterating the infrastructure assets? When he can just cut off the regime from oil exports and bleed them dry? Trump is not as stupid as you think. "Trump is not as stupid as you think." Impossible.
Eldad Posted April 21 Posted April 21 25 minutes ago, Sweet said: Think it’s democracies in general, not just the US. I think democracies need to be tougher. Too easy to say, not my war. Seen it with Ukraine, see it here, ironically many people are straddling both camps depending on the war. This is always the way it has been. But when the democracy (the will of the people) gets behind it with a feeling of righteousness, the democracy becomes an unstoppable killing machine. The North in the Civil War and the US in WW1 and WW2 were seen as pussies until they were pushed too far and then they utterly annihilated the enemy with complete savagery. The martial societies (US South, Kaiser’s Germany, Nazi Germany, Iran) will always have the better attitude in the beginning because they seek wars. The problem is the US hasn’t really been involved in a just war since the Persian Gulf War, so the nation doesn’t really get behind it.
cubsfan Posted April 21 Posted April 21 20 minutes ago, cwericb said: "Trump is not as stupid as you think." Impossible. Keep telling yourself that - along with Iran is winning, and Elvis has been sighted.
Viking Posted April 21 Posted April 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lazarus said: USA companies have repeatedly pressured the administration to deal with Canada. It makes economic sense for both countries, and we have a long history of free trade going back to the autopact in the 1960s. It's popular rhetoric in Canada to bash the Americans now, but it's dumb. The vast majority of our trade goes to the US and it is a fluke of geography and history that we happen to be right next door to the current world superpower. Not securing open access to the US market is a massive failure and no amount of trade deals with China, Peru or Sri Lanka is going to change that. @Lazarus, yes, it makes perfect sense for Canada and the US to do a free trade deal. But economic theory and Trump's agenda are two completely different things. What if the deal trump wants to make is not in Canada's long term best interest? I am not talking about small issues like dairy. Why is it in the US's best interest to allow ANY manufactured products to come from Canada (auto's etc)? Or put another way, is your perspective that Carney should just sign the best deal he can get? I don't have a strong opinion because I am not in the meetings with the US people. And I like that Carney is not negotiating in the public (like Trudeau usually did). My guess is if Canadian's knew what the US wants in a new deal they would be shocked. I think Canadians are grossly underestimating (still) how much the world order is changing. Our views are much to anchored on the past. We still think we are in a Disney movie - waiting for the Disney ending - that is never coming. I am optimistic. But we will have a couple of tough years to get through. Adversity, after all, is what builds character. Edited April 21 by Viking
SharperDingaan Posted April 21 Posted April 21 1 hour ago, TB said: Very well put together post; the economies are highly integrated in many places and most of Canada lives within sixty miles of US border. 70-80% of Canada goods exports are to the US and 15% of US goods exports are to Canada. Canada investors have direct access to US financial markets and vice versa. (up to 45% of Canada equities are owned by US investors). It makes sense to trade more between US/Canada and not less Same as any portfolio, there is a need for diversification; as a 70-80% weighting to one trading partner, is just too much. One can either do more trade with everyone else, grow the total pie, and thereby dilute the weighting to that one trading partner. Or, one can just trade less with that dominant partner, and suffer unemployment. The US ain't the prettiest girl at the ball anymore, she's just the pig with diamonds as large as grapefruits. There's only so much that lipstick on a pig can do .... even if it sparkles SD
cubsfan Posted April 21 Posted April 21 10 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said: The US ain't the prettiest girl at the ball anymore, she's just the pig with diamonds as large as grapefruits. There's only so much that lipstick on a pig can do .... even if it sparkles SD Funny stuff SD! Canada ain't no prize either!
SharperDingaan Posted April 21 Posted April 21 Ceasefire (& US blockade) extended 'indefinitely' .... until negotiations are concluded. Vance not going to Pakistan anymore, as the Iranians aren't going to show up. SOH continues to remain closed; nobody to negotiate with. Not exactly the actions of an adversary 'on its knees'. Hardly surprising either, as last time out ... Mossad tried to assassinate some of the Iranian delegation during their return trip. https://edition.cnn.com/2026/04/21/world/live-news/iran-war-us-trump-israel https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/vance-trip-islamabad-iran-talks-184600023.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9jYS5zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADtrbXTNQwMutx5tTkAYul9gSnPbDJWl0nGdwPm_FwWxauaOJDCo9WVlsjQn1ZqPJ7AKz3VQcu6dXzhuFr_BVYT4UPK-i1SbNia9fJH6bxtxxf1lZB0HbxuB4W2zhw4NBtS0o35pJtohWjlfk_VoDdlK7rAgg1O7wgQNFQ_a0Qk8 SD
LC Posted April 21 Posted April 21 Apparently if I don't support the USA no matter what, I'm a giant pussy Democracy said what? Not all Germans, bro! Even Tuck-tuck-goose is coming home to roost: “You wrote speeches for him, I campaigned for him. I mean, we’re implicated in this, for sure,” Tucker Carlson said to his brother. “It’s not enough to say, ‘Well I changed my mind,’ or like, ‘Oh this is bad, I’m out.’ It’s like in very small ways, but in real ways, you and me and millions of people like us are the reason this is happening right now.” “Yes,” Buckley replied. “So I do think it’s like a moment to wrestle with our own consciences. You know, we’ll be tormented by it for a long time,” Tucker Carlson continued. “I will be, and I want to say I’m sorry for misleading people, and it was not intentional. That’s all I’ll say.”
cwericb Posted April 21 Posted April 21 51 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said: Ceasefire (& US blockade) extended 'indefinitely' .... until negotiations are concluded. Vance not going to Pakistan anymore, as the Iranians aren't going to show up. SOH continues to remain closed; nobody to negotiate with. Not exactly the actions of an adversary 'on its knees'. Hardly surprising either, as last time out ... Mossad tried to assassinate some of the Iranian delegation during their return trip. https://edition.cnn.com/2026/04/21/world/live-news/iran-war-us-trump-israel https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/vance-trip-islamabad-iran-talks-184600023.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9jYS5zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADtrbXTNQwMutx5tTkAYul9gSnPbDJWl0nGdwPm_FwWxauaOJDCo9WVlsjQn1ZqPJ7AKz3VQcu6dXzhuFr_BVYT4UPK-i1SbNia9fJH6bxtxxf1lZB0HbxuB4W2zhw4NBtS0o35pJtohWjlfk_VoDdlK7rAgg1O7wgQNFQ_a0Qk8 SD "Not exactly the actions of an adversary 'on its knees'." Don't tell Cubs that... He is under the delusion that the US won the war, the Iranian army has been destroyed and the enriched uranium is in American hands waiting to be picked up.
cubsfan Posted April 21 Posted April 21 21 minutes ago, cwericb said: "Not exactly the actions of an adversary 'on its knees'." Don't tell Cubs that... He is under the delusion that the US won the war, the Iranian army has been destroyed and the enriched uranium is in American hands waiting to be picked up. Why are you in such a hurry to make a bad deal? Obviously, Trump is not in a rush, but you are. The Blockade is in full force, which strangles Iran economically, and they can't touch the USA. Meanwhile, there is PLENTY of oil for sale in the Gulf of America!
ourkid8 Posted April 21 Posted April 21 (edited) 12 hours ago, cwericb said: "Not exactly the actions of an adversary 'on its knees'." Don't tell Cubs that... He is under the delusion that the US won the war, the Iranian army has been destroyed and the enriched uranium is in American hands waiting to be picked up. Shhh… Dont forget to tell @cubsfan US tried a ground invasion and it failed miserably. If US attacks Iran, here are the next 3 targets to cause maximum pain: 1. Attack Yanbu pipeline in Saudia 2. Attack Fujairah oil facilities in UAE 3. full closure of Bab el-Mandeb strait US definitely has a boot to Iran neck hence why they chose not to participate in the next phase of talks. - it’s clearly visible! Edited April 22 by ourkid8
ourkid8 Posted April 22 Posted April 22 2 hours ago, cubsfan said: Why are you in such a hurry to make a bad deal? Obviously, Trump is not in a rush, but you are. The Blockade is in full force, which strangles Iran economically, and they can't touch the USA. Meanwhile, there is PLENTY of oil for sale in the Gulf of America!
ICUMD Posted April 22 Posted April 22 7 hours ago, Viking said: I have been trying to come up with a mental model to help me understand Trump and US policy today. I think I just found it - the Abbott and Costello skit: Who's Trump/US is doing). Ill bet USA is asking this very question regarding their bases in the middle east!
cwericb Posted April 22 Posted April 22 2 hours ago, cubsfan said: Why are you in such a hurry to make a bad deal? Obviously, Trump is not in a rush, but you are. The Blockade is in full force, which strangles Iran economically, and they can't touch the USA. Meanwhile, there is PLENTY of oil for sale in the Gulf of America! You are not paying attention Cubs. 1) No rush here! Up thread I specifically pointed out how the war and closure of the Strait benefits Canada, Oil price rise, fertilizer price rise, aluminium price rise, etc and all of those products the US imports form Canada. So, on an economic basis, let it continue - and it will because Trump has lost control of where this is going and he is at a loss as to how stop it - other then turn tail and run falsely proclaiming that he won the war. 2) You say "Meanwhile, there is PLENTY of oil for sale in the Gulf of America!" Oh, really? "Roughly 416,000–450,000 barrels per day (bpd) of Canadian crude now reach the Gulf Coast, with that region increasingly relying on Western Canadian Select (WCS)" Y'all should check your facts Cubs before posting. I simply post the facts.
Parsad Posted April 22 Posted April 22 6 hours ago, cubsfan said: You'll never get Trump - he's way too far ahead of you on just about everything, certainly Iran and your claims of Iran winning. You play checkers, he plays chess. Apparently he's not playing 2-D, 3-D or even 4-D chess...he's playing 5-D chess...Trump has mastered string theory! Cheers! https://www.facebook.com/thedailyshow/videos/trumps-playing-5d-chess-so-were-just-making-up-dimensions-now/638295135700829/
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