Political Posts

[Parsad]

Ahhhhhh!  I feel like I just slept with 72 virgins or Margot Robbie!  

 

I'm asking you guys to be civil to one another when debating politics.  These are all people around the world who share a common interest and simply want to be part of a community...where they can primarily discuss investing.

 

Make that the primary focus...not all the shit and noise politicians and the media distract us with every single day of our lives!

 

Cheers!

[Longnose]

[Red Lion]

25 minutes ago, Parsad said:

Ahhhhhh!  I feel like I just slept with 72 virgins or Margot Robbie!  

if I’d known we could pick Margot Robbie that could have changed everything..

[cubsfan]

6 hours ago, Sweet said:

Cubs, love you brother, but this is how you come across at times I’m sorry to say.

 

Same to you Sweet... always learn a lot from you.

 

Unfortunately, this is CoBF - I'm in the minority, which is fine.   The MAGA movement is for real and millions are behind it as a core belief to return the USA to what it once was.... I don't see the problem.

 

Millions rejected the direction of the America AND the "old" Republican Party which has been remade to the party of "the working class".

 

Like it or not, the figure that did that was Donald Trump. NO other Republican embraced that movement. And the Democratic Party is a shell of itself now.

 

So President Donald Trump is a truly historic figure, much like Churchill or Lincoln. Like it or not, he is changing America and the world.  

 

Perhaps let the dust settle, when Venezuela, Iran, Latin America and Cuba are changed before you decide. Totally up to you.

 

"There are decades where nothing happens; and weeks when decades happen"

 

In my opinion - that will describe 2026 - but you make up your own mind.

 

[Gregmal]

24 minutes ago, Parsad said:

Ahhhhhh!  I feel like I just slept with 72 virgins or Margot Robbie!  

I never got the 72 virgins things. First it gives off pedo vibes cuz who’s a virgin past like 16-18? 
 

And second, like I’m not really sure what dude wouldn’t want a chick with more experience that knows what she’s doing.….

[dwy000]

7 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

I never got the 72 virgins things. First it gives off pedo vibes cuz who’s a virgin past like 16-18? 
 

And second, like I’m not really sure what dude wouldn’t want a chick with more experience that knows what she’s doing.….

If someone wants a chick who doesn't know what they're doing it's probably because they dont know what they're  doing

[dealraker]

5 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Same to you Sweet... always learn a lot from you.

 

Unfortunately, this is CoBF - I'm in the minority, which is fine.   The MAGA movement is for real and millions are behind it as a core belief to return the USA to what it once was.... I don't see the problem.

 

Millions rejected the direction of the America AND the "old" Republican Party which has been remade to the party of "the working class".

 

Like it or not, the figure that did that was Donald Trump. NO other Republican embraced that movement. And the Democratic Party is a shell of itself now.

 

So President Donald Trump is a truly historic figure, much like Churchill or Lincoln. Like it or not, he is changing America and the world.  

 

Perhaps let the dust settle, when Venezuela, Iran, Latin America and Cuba are changed before you decide. Totally up to you.

 

"There are decades where nothing happens; and weeks when decades happen"

 

In my opinion - that will describe 2026 - but you make up your own mind.

 

The more I read your stuff Cubs the more I like you and the harder it comes to even begin to wonder what in heck makes you actually believe this stuff such as Trump is good for the working class.  LOL, we have a market of ideas I guess!  You have wonderful intentions in many aspects - there is no doubt that.  

[Blake Hampton]

8 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

So President Donald Trump is a truly historic figure, much like Churchill or Lincoln. Like it or not, he is changing America and the world.  

 

"Lincoln saw the political value of self-mockery. Conscious of his unusually long limbs, and aware that many considered him an ugly man, he decided to face the issue head-on.

 

He told of an encounter with a stranger in a railroad car, who said: “I have an article in my possession which belongs to you.” Taking a jack-knife from his pocket, the man explained: “This… was placed in my hands… with the injunction that I was to keep it until I found a man uglier than myself… Allow me now to say, sir, that I think you are fairly entitled to the property.”"

Lincoln liked to end the story by telling people he had owned the jack-knife ever since.

 

This was taken in September of last year:

 

[Blake Hampton]

Cubs is one of the Trumpers that isn't actually a troll. He believes this stuff. I still disagree though.

[Parsad]

20 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Same to you Sweet... always learn a lot from you.

 

Unfortunately, this is CoBF - I'm in the minority, which is fine.   The MAGA movement is for real and millions are behind it as a core belief to return the USA to what it once was.... I don't see the problem.

 

Millions rejected the direction of the America AND the "old" Republican Party which has been remade to the party of "the working class".

 

Like it or not, the figure that did that was Donald Trump. NO other Republican embraced that movement. And the Democratic Party is a shell of itself now.

 

So President Donald Trump is a truly historic figure, much like Churchill or Lincoln. Like it or not, he is changing America and the world.  

 

Perhaps let the dust settle, when Venezuela, Iran, Latin America and Cuba are changed before you decide. Totally up to you.

 

"There are decades where nothing happens; and weeks when decades happen"

 

In my opinion - that will describe 2026 - but you make up your own mind.

 

 

That's your opinion and that's fair.  I have no problem with that and debating that.  I just don't want people making it so personal that it gets confrontational. 

 

No one comes here to get into a fight...we're all here to make money, make friends and talk.

 

Cheers!

[Parsad]

20 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

I never got the 72 virgins things. First it gives off pedo vibes cuz who’s a virgin past like 16-18? 
 

 

Sadly, I was!    Cheers!

[cubsfan]

7 minutes ago, dealraker said:

The more I read your stuff Cubs the more I like you and the harder it comes to even begin to wonder what in heck makes you actually believe this stuff such as Trump is good for the working class.  LOL, we have a market of ideas I guess!  You have wonderful intentions in many aspects - there is no doubt that.  

 

Ole' Deal - I've always liked you in spite of our differences, it's never personal. If I didn't know any better - I would have thought you were Andy Griffith reincarnated, complete with all the wisdom and stories...North Carolina's finest.

[cubsfan]

7 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said:

Cubs is one of the Trumpers that isn't actually a troll. He believes this stuff. I still disagree though.

 

Hahahaha - careful - you'll find a lot of disagreement here on that first part.  You just haven't been around long enough!

[Marco Van Basten]

21 minutes ago, dealraker said:

The more I read your stuff Cubs the more I like you and the harder it comes to even begin to wonder what in heck makes you actually believe this stuff such as Trump is good for the working class.  LOL, we have a market of ideas I guess!  You have wonderful intentions in many aspects - there is no doubt that.  

Well, immigration reduces wages and increases housing costs, so reduced immigration is beneficial for the working class.  Obviously there are exceptions, if we have a shortage of doctors because medical schools produce the same number of doctors as they did 100 years ago, then the solution is both letting doctors immigrate and to open more medical schools.   

[Sweet]

34 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Same to you Sweet... always learn a lot from you.

 

Unfortunately, this is CoBF - I'm in the minority, which is fine.   The MAGA movement is for real and millions are behind it as a core belief to return the USA to what it once was.... I don't see the problem.

 

Millions rejected the direction of the America AND the "old" Republican Party which has been remade to the party of "the working class".

 

Like it or not, the figure that did that was Donald Trump. NO other Republican embraced that movement. And the Democratic Party is a shell of itself now.

 

So President Donald Trump is a truly historic figure, much like Churchill or Lincoln. Like it or not, he is changing America and the world.  

 

Perhaps let the dust settle, when Venezuela, Iran, Latin America and Cuba are changed before you decide. Totally up to you.

 

"There are decades where nothing happens; and weeks when decades happen"

 

In my opinion - that will describe 2026 - but you make up your own mind.

 

Without your counter narrative approach, there is a chance the forum would slip into a one-sided Trump hating abyss.  Part of it is you just aggressively pushing the other side of the scale.

[backtothebeach]

1 hour ago, Parsad said:

Yup, same for you...see you in 30 days!  Your reading comprehension must be at a Grade 5 level!  I'm going fucking nuclear on you fuckers now.  Who wants to go next?  Cheers!

 

That's too bad. I haven't read anything hateful from @Xerxes.

[Parsad]

7 minutes ago, backtothebeach said:

 

That's too bad. I haven't read anything hateful from @Xerxes.

 

Wasn't hateful...he kept arguing and I told everyone to go back to posting.  Everyone else listened...including most of the usual suspects.  Cheers!

[cubsfan]

3 hours ago, Xerxes said:

You are not very good in history. Are you ? Arabs will side with anybody to fight their neighbours.  

 

You have totally sidestepped my point. 

 

I said this is the first time in recent history (since founding of Israel), where Muslims are joining Jews in a fight against a Muslim nation.  You have ignored that.  This is a VERY good thing. It means there is a chance for some level of peace in a large part of the Middle East.   It is Iran that has attacked the Gulf States repeatedly- not the other way around.

 

If the Muslim nations have had enough of Iran's aggression - that means that once defeated - movements like the Abraham Accords have a real chance of reshaping the Middle East.

 

You are completely unable to tell me WHEN a Muslim nation has aligned with the Jewish state in a fight against another Muslim nation.

 

It has never happened.

[dwy000]

24 minutes ago, Marco Van Basten said:

Well, immigration reduces wages and increases housing costs, so reduced immigration is beneficial for the working class.  Obviously there are exceptions, if we have a shortage of doctors because medical schools produce the same number of doctors as they did 100 years ago, then the solution is both letting doctors immigrate and to open more medical schools.   

This is completely untrue.  The US (and most developed nations) were built largely off the back of immigration. The idea that jobs and housing are fixed commodities that are used up by immigrants is ignorant of the most basic level of economics.  Whether the population increases from immigration or births doesn't matter except for the very, very short term.  Population growth drives economic expansion of all types. And as US farmers are finding out, immigrants do a lot of the jobs that locals refuse to.

[flesh]

2 hours ago, tooskinneejs said:

Please let me know when someone convinces another on a political issue on this board.  I won't hold my breath as I don't expect this to happen in the next decade or more.  But hey, at least the political chatter clogs up the board and distracts from a focus on investing.

 

Coming from a libertarian background, which is no longer the case as what was once considered socially liberal has changed with the woke left, I couldn't comprehend how someone could be financially astute and believe the left was better on things like debt, deficits, economics etc. I spent a decade on this forum before I started hearing some ideas from the predominantly left wingers here on these issues in the politics section. I can't say they changed my mind in principal, but they did challenge some of my notions at the edges and when they did I'd go spend an hour or two with AI to update my positions. 

 

Previously I'd listen to Sam Harris or Bill Maher to get thoughtful left wing ideas, because I could never find any on the MSM although that's changing a bit recently. However they never discussed/don't understand anything financial which to me is the biggest existential threat that isn't a black box. The black box and other existential threat being war in all it's forms. I have less confidence there simply because I don't think we have anywhere close to all the facts. That said, some of the posts here on war related stuff has helped me get a bit closer to where maybe a general judgement could be made. 

 

I happily change my mind when presented with incontrovertible/parsimonious evidence, it might take a minute to recognize my cognitive dissonance but no long. Knowing that I don't know beforehand is my only superpower. Also, knowing that I don't really make a difference anyway and that the only problem that might be solved is my personal edification that comes from understanding a bit more about what we are as humans in its various manifestations. 

 

Also, I've learned from posters here how much culture/social stuff actually does matter and contributes to the economic problems. 

 

One recent example is Parsad mentioned to me IIRC that left and right wing govts added debt at the same % of gdp implying there's not difference there. I still don't agree that's fundamentally the way to view the problem but I spent an hour researching to see to what degree that's relevant/true. Also, Parsad/couple others mentioned the Canadian govt, of which I know little, has run balanced budgets which interfered with my principal beliefs about how these things work, so I spent some time there to figure out how that came about and to what degree it was relevant/if I need to remap my beliefs based on that.  

 

Once I was climbing in Fontainebleau, France, 2015 iirc, and I was having dinner with two PHD's from San Francisco and politics came up and I brought up abortion thinking it would be an easy discussion the way I was framing it, that is. I don't have strong opinions on the issue. I think it's hard to say it's not killing a person but I can't get myself quite to the forcing others on the issue. The framing I used was simply "is it a baby 8 months into the pregnancy?". I thought the answer was obvious, it was. They thought I was crazy, referring to the 8 month old as a fetus and a parasite repeatedly. That was a great moment for me! They were smart and we'd been climbing together for a couple days having a good time and here I am face to face with total disregard for my framing! 

 

Incidentally, in 2020 I had my first kid, a preme, born at 7 months old and he spent 6 weeks in the NICU, didn't need any support at all. He's doing great and just passed the 1st grade reading test (his mother teaches 1st grade) and he'll start kindergarten in September. 

 

Regarding the recent bans, I really liked the discussion! It's too bad people have to resort to ad hominem attacks. Too bad we can't bring back duels. It seems to me that the one of the primary problems with our species is we haven't incorporated "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" very well. 

 

Personally, there's nothing someone can say to me that bothers me, zero. It's either true or not, it's either something that can be controlled or not. I see no reason to respond to the noise that floats around inside my head. 

 

 

 

 

[John Hjorth]

38 minutes ago, backtothebeach said:

That's too bad. I haven't read anything hateful from @Xerxes.

 

What all our fellow CofB&F members likely miss is that there a report feature, pressing the '...' in upper right coner of every post :

 

 

Using that when something to you is offensive, unjust, anreasonable, or whatever, is just a better option than posting it in the open here on CofB&F, simply because it doesen't stir the pot further.

[Gregmal]

15 minutes ago, flesh said:

Coming from a libertarian background, which is no longer the case as what was once considered socially liberal has changed with the woke left, I couldn't comprehend how someone could be financially astute and believe the left was better on things like debt, deficits, economics etc.

Yeah basically. But the refrain from these boner eaters now pivots to “what happened to the party of fiscal restraint!” and things like that….as an excuse for supporting even more extreme versions of it lmfao 

 

Ive asked oh so many times what exactly the democrats stand for and never once do we get close to anything beyond “anyone but Trump!”. And it’s telling, because on the policy front, there’s really nothing at all that one can intelligently point to, and say “that’s what we re about”. And have it make sense vs the standard conservative policy platform. I mean even something like a voter presenting the same form of identification required to buy a 6 pack, this clown car party throws fits over despite 75% of the country thinking it’s a good idea.

Edited March 25 by Gregmal

[Gregmal]

4 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

What all our fellow CofB&F members likely miss is that there a report feature, pressing the '...' in upper right coner of every post :

 

 

Using that when something to you is offensive, unjust, anreasonable, or whatever, is just a better option than posting it in the open here on CofB&F, simply because it doesen't stir the pot further.

Come on John, haven’t you heard the saying “snitches get stitches”?

[John Hjorth]

6 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Come on John, haven’t you heard the saying “snitches get stitches”?

 

HaHa!  - It's OK, Greg [ @Gregmal ],

 

I have so say that I've been called out, by Sanjeev [ @Parsad ], quite a few times earlier, for getting really pi$$ed about something posted by someone here on CofB&F.

 

Every time, I've been called out, reading Sanjeevs [ @Parsads] view on the situation at hand, I've always ended up being embarrased, too impulsive in the situation, posting an excuse in public here on CofB&F, adressed at the person, that turned me on.

 

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The report button is actually is very good valve for releasing surplus steam!

 

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We have to get along, here on CofB&F!

[Blake Hampton]

The only boner republicans are willing to eat: