Red Lion Posted March 23 Posted March 23 1 hour ago, Xerxes said: Cheers. Not sure this will lead to regime change, in the short term. But the seeds of its destruction / structural changes are being planted. I personally subscribe to the view that Mojtada elevation as leader (whether he is alive or not), was essentially a IRGC internal coup over the religious establishment. At the same time the 1980s generation of leaders that grew up with the horrors of the war is largely gone. That generation was known and predictable. Now we have unknown and unpredictable leaders. I guess we have to stay tuned and watch I’m staying tuned and watching, I certainly hope for regime change, and think we are going to be in one hell of a pickle until we get regime change.
Parsad Posted March 23 Posted March 23 17 minutes ago, Sweet said: TACO or no TACO (prefer double D’s personally) - it just he doesn’t actually know what communications there have been. I think most people prefer double D's...we're talking about boobs right? His interviews are hilarious! He's even taking shots at NewsMax and saying "I can't believe I'm talking to CNN!" Cheers!
Parsad Posted March 23 Posted March 23 13 minutes ago, Red Lion said: I’m staying tuned and watching, I certainly hope for regime change, and think we are going to be in one hell of a pickle until we get regime change. No comment on regime change...but according to Trump...no nukes going forward and they are supposed to talk tomorrow. Have not heard from the other side yet. It may be good that one liar is out lying the other liar here! Cheers!
Gregmal Posted March 23 Posted March 23 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Parsad said: His interviews are hilarious! He's even taking shots at NewsMax and saying "I can't believe I'm talking to CNN!" Cheers! See this is another area where if you don’t have this huge TDS complex, where you’re compulsively focusing on the stupid shit those kind always focus on, you can rationally arrive at the conclusion Trump is full of shit! It’s always been some interesting illusion to me, how you can sit here and label media outlets “the enemy”, but then willingly go yuk it up with them anyway. Right? Like how hard is it? How many interviews he’s willingly done, which then get taken out of context and misrepresented, only for him to chant “fake news”….its like no motherfucker, if you’re the story, you get to determine who you’re chatting with. If they’re crooks and the enemy of the people….guess what? It’s on you if Caitlin Collins misquotes you during an interview you chose to grant her! Edited March 23 by Gregmal
Sweet Posted March 23 Posted March 23 5 minutes ago, Parsad said: I think most people prefer double D's...we're talking about boobs right? His interviews are hilarious! He's even taking shots at NewsMax and saying "I can't believe I'm talking to CNN!" Cheers! LOL! Yeh I think most people do.
SharperDingaan Posted March 23 Posted March 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, dealraker said: While we gyrate on what Trump says or doesn't what he says he says or whatever, just remember we could be here today discussing and arguing the topic of no more wars. Trump could just as easily have his cult chanting "no more wars" and all of us falling in line debating that instead of let's take out all the threats in the world right now. We go where Trump takes us; we discuss what he wants us to discuss; the market goes where Trump takes it that day based on his impulses, his anxieties, his hate, his vengeance. But it is at his discretion what we discuss, debate, and argue about here each day. Iran is already getting stale in my view. Where is Trump taking us next? What will the politics forum be hotly debating? I'll bet you a plug nickel it won't be Iran! (And it won't be files either.) Float 'awe & might' destruction if you don't open the SOH, right now! Sure bud .... crude/LNG is still flowing, you weren't able to do it for the last two weeks, and friends wouldn't contribute escorts while hostilities continued - so why take the yap seriously ??? Cry wolf too often, and we all stop listening . It would seem that paymasters told Orange Boy to f*** o** , and negotiate. Blow the power/water facilities and people die, restrict the SOH transit and buyers just pay more; paymasters ALWAYS get reimbursed for failed protection It's pretty clear that Orange Boy is fishing for an exit ... and there is little reason to be gracious. Most would expect continued high prices for many months, a transit fee paid to Iran for damages, some sort of coalition shipping escort, and a series of US humiliations. 90-days to exit some of the Gulf bases (permanently), non-confidence cancellation of US weapons purchases, accelerated withdrawal of US capital to repair/rebuild, etc, etc. After all .... what good is a US base in a Qatar if it just attracts attacks ??, the US can't reliably defend it ??, and it shuts in exports when tensions explode ??. Better to kick the US out, pay some of the protection money elsewhere, and get back to making money. A year out, it could look quite different . Cuba next ... but maybe ongoing refined product now comes from the Gulf vs Russia ?? Squeeze . SD Edited March 23 by SharperDingaan
cubsfan Posted March 23 Posted March 23 27 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said: Float 'awe & might' destruction if you don't open the SOH, right now! Sure bud .... crude/LNG is still flowing, you weren't able to do it for the last two weeks, and friends wouldn't contribute escorts while hostilities continued - so why take the yap seriously ??? Cry wolf too often, and we all stop listening . It would seem that paymasters told Orange Boy to f*** o** , and negotiate. Blow the power/water facilities and people die, restrict the SOH transit and buyers just pay more; paymasters ALWAYS get reimbursed for failed protection It's pretty clear that Orange Boy is fishing for a exit ... and there is little reason to be gracious. Most would expect continued high prices for many months, a transit fee paid to Iran for damages, some sort of coalition shipping escort, and a series of US humiliations. 90-days to exit some of the Gulf bases (permanently), non-confidence cancellation of weapons purchases, accelerated withdrawal of US capital to repair/rebuild, etc, etc. After all .... what good is a US base in a Qatar if it just attracts attacks ??, the US can't reliably defend it ??, and it shuts in exports when tensions explode ??. Better to kick the US out, pay some of the protection money elsewhere, and get back to making money. A year out, it could look quite different . Cuba next ... but maybe ongoing refined product now comes from the Gulf vs Russia ?? Squeeze . SD Sharper,,, I think you found the Trump Put!
dwy000 Posted March 23 Posted March 23 37 minutes ago, Parsad said: No comment on regime change...but according to Trump...no nukes going forward and they are supposed to talk tomorrow. Have not heard from the other side yet. It may be good that one liar is out lying the other liar here! Cheers! It really says something that the President claims there are productive talks, nobody believes that and we wait for Iran to comment to get the actual story. Memories of the tariff talks with China where we had to get the actual progress news from China.
Parsad Posted March 23 Posted March 23 1 hour ago, Gregmal said: See this is another area where if you don’t have this huge TDS complex, where you’re compulsively focusing on the stupid shit those kind always focus on, you can rationally arrive at the conclusion Trump is full of shit! It’s always been some interesting illusion to me, how you can sit here and label media outlets “the enemy”, but then willingly go yuk it up with them anyway. Right? Like how hard is it? How many interviews he’s willingly done, which then get taken out of context and misrepresented, only for him to chant “fake news”….its like no motherfucker, if you’re the story, you get to determine who you’re chatting with. If they’re crooks and the enemy of the people….guess what? It’s on you if Caitlin Collins misquotes you during an interview you chose to grant her! Yup! But he is funny when not being an asshole! Cheers!
Parsad Posted March 23 Posted March 23 1 hour ago, SharperDingaan said: Float 'awe & might' destruction if you don't open the SOH, right now! Sure bud .... crude/LNG is still flowing, you weren't able to do it for the last two weeks, and friends wouldn't contribute escorts while hostilities continued - so why take the yap seriously ??? Cry wolf too often, and we all stop listening . It would seem that paymasters told Orange Boy to f*** o** , and negotiate. Blow the power/water facilities and people die, restrict the SOH transit and buyers just pay more; paymasters ALWAYS get reimbursed for failed protection It's pretty clear that Orange Boy is fishing for an exit ... and there is little reason to be gracious. Most would expect continued high prices for many months, a transit fee paid to Iran for damages, some sort of coalition shipping escort, and a series of US humiliations. 90-days to exit some of the Gulf bases (permanently), non-confidence cancellation of US weapons purchases, accelerated withdrawal of US capital to repair/rebuild, etc, etc. After all .... what good is a US base in a Qatar if it just attracts attacks ??, the US can't reliably defend it ??, and it shuts in exports when tensions explode ??. Better to kick the US out, pay some of the protection money elsewhere, and get back to making money. A year out, it could look quite different . Cuba next ... but maybe ongoing refined product now comes from the Gulf vs Russia ?? Squeeze . SD Thing is, he goes for these small, quick wins...just like he makes money the same way...gambler's mentality! Doesn't solve anything long-term, at least not significantly different than his predecessors (except Southern border...he did definitely fix that), but he makes it look like a win. Then moves on to the next thing to turn into chaos, TACO, settle or ease the atmosphere, call it another win. Like he's stopped 8 wars so far...don't cha know! Cheers!
Parsad Posted March 23 Posted March 23 32 minutes ago, dwy000 said: It really says something that the President claims there are productive talks, nobody believes that and we wait for Iran to comment to get the actual story. Memories of the tariff talks with China where we had to get the actual progress news from China. Iran is not as good a liar as Trump! Evil, yes...liar, no! Cheers!
Xerxes Posted March 23 Posted March 23 On 3/20/2026 at 9:50 AM, Xerxes said: Q1 Does the law of the land also applies to the elite and the oligarchy ? This is not a theoretical “should apply” question. Does it apply or not Q2 If there is a referendum tomorrow and people are given the following options without foreign intervention in the process: 1 - Islamic Republic 2 - Presidential Republic 3 - Constitutional monarchy with parliamentary system 4 - Absolute monarchy which one will you chose ? which one do you think serves best the interests of people ? if a significant majority choose #2 and #3 will you be ok with that. I am guessing yes. But just asking Hi @ourkid8 was wondering if you had any thoughts on the above
Xerxes Posted March 23 Posted March 23 (edited) Btw Ghalibaf is more of a crook/thief than a regime ideologue. In other words, someone Trump can work with. Game knows game. Edited March 23 by Xerxes
rogermunibond Posted March 23 Posted March 23 3 minutes ago, Xerxes said: Btw Ghalibaf is more of a crook/thief than a regime ideologue. In other words, someone Trump can work with. Game knows game.
Pelagic Posted March 23 Posted March 23 35 minutes ago, Xerxes said: Btw Ghalibaf is more of a crook/thief than a regime ideologue. In other words, someone Trump can work with. Game knows game. Wild times considering how sharply the market reaction has been to Trump's statements of ongoing negotiations. Who knows who to believe, Ghalibaf could be lying in this tweet to save his own skin from hardliners or Trump could have made the whole thing up to calm markets. Honestly impressive if it's the latter and buys the US/Israel a few more days to plan a way to control the Strait.
cubsfan Posted March 23 Posted March 23 29 minutes ago, Pelagic said: Wild times considering how sharply the market reaction has been to Trump's statements of ongoing negotiations. Who knows who to believe, Ghalibaf could be lying in this tweet to save his own skin from hardliners or Trump could have made the whole thing up to calm markets. Honestly impressive if it's the latter and buys the US/Israel a few more days to plan a way to control the Strait. Keep listening to the boys here. Trump is on the verge of surrendering to Iran according to them. Can't make this stuff up..
Gregmal Posted March 23 Posted March 23 What is silly is that the move in oil prices had little to do with actual supply and demand correlation but instead is much more largely influenced by desk jockeys gambling with paper contracts on Wall Street. And the general market? Really just wants resolution, clarity, that’s all. Whats wild is that’s all that really matters, and what one privy to making money should be focused on, but instead you have these attention whores on social media and these libtards who need certain preferred headlines, to craft their daily “got Trump” narrative.
Parsad Posted March 23 Posted March 23 2 minutes ago, Gregmal said: What is silly is that the move in oil prices had little to do with actual supply and demand correlation but instead is much more largely influenced by desk jockeys gambling with paper contracts on Wall Street. And the general market? Really just wants resolution, clarity, that’s all. Whats wild is that’s all that really matters, and what one privy to making money should be focused on, but instead you have these attention whores on social media and these libtards who need certain preferred headlines, to craft their daily “got Trump” narrative. Hmmm, there were quite a few MAGAtards this time around too! Libtards are usually there, but the MAGAtards are growing. Cheers!
Gregmal Posted March 23 Posted March 23 6 minutes ago, Parsad said: Hmmm, there were quite a few MAGAtards this time around too! Libtards are usually there, but the MAGAtards are growing. Cheers! I’m not really sure what the desired MAGA headline is, regime change? The libtard one is clearly that no matter what occurs, Trump messed up and chickened out. They seem incredibly invested in that almost regardless of what the headlines are. Think reality is that the US and Iran broke a bunch of shit in Iran full bully style and when it suites their interests will let the world get back to normal.
Viking Posted March 23 Posted March 23 (edited) What did we learn over the past 24 hours. Trump is a master communicator - financial markets are loving it. What else did we learn? The US is not going to ‘obliterate’ Iran’s power infrastructure. (Can we say Iran won that game of chicken?) What about the Straight of Hormuz… what did we learn? Nothing has changed… and the status quo is likely to remain in place until Friday. The bad news is only small amounts of oil/LNG/fertilizer will be getting through. The longer this continues the more disruptive the consequences for the global economy - nothing has changed on that front (what is happening versus what is being said). The good news is we may have reached a short term stalemate - the US/Israel will stop bombing Iran and Iran will stop bombing the region. The fact the war is not escalating is good news. Where do we go from here? Hopefully we get a resolution of some sort this week. Because if we don’t, and more US resources get moved into the region, we could see things escalate again. What a crazy situation. PS: Here is where things get really interesting. If you are Trump and you want to escalate you need a reason. Well now that ‘peace talks’ have started… well, if they don’t result in a deal… well, Trump will not have choice… he will have his reason to escalate: he tried real hard at negotiations - but the Iranian’s were not interested in peace. He will have manufactured his reason to escalate the war. The best part? Whether actual negotiations are going on actually doesn’t matter. Yes, he is a diabolical genius. Edited March 23 by Viking
Red Lion Posted March 23 Posted March 23 8 minutes ago, Gregmal said: I’m not really sure what the desired MAGA headline is, regime change? I think the MAGA crowd is having a hard time adjusting to the starting a foreign war thing, some are falling in line. I would imagine that most (maybe even democrats and foreign allies) would be happy with regime change and then just swap headlines back to Epstein/Ukraine/Tariffs/Immigration.
Parsad Posted March 23 Posted March 23 6 minutes ago, Viking said: What did we learn over the past 24 hours. Trump is a master communicator - financial markets are loving it. What else did we learn? The US is not going to ‘obliterate’ Iran’s power infrastructure. (Can we say Iran won that game of chicken?) What about the Straight of Hormuz… what did we learn? Nothing has changed… and the status quo is likely to remain in place until Friday. The bad news is only small amounts of oil/LNG/fertilizer will be getting through. The longer this continues the more disruptive the consequences for the global economy. The good news is we may have reached a stalemate - the US/Israel will stop bombing Iran and Iran will stop bombing the region. The fact the war is not escalating is good news. Where do we go from here? Hopefully we get a resolution of some sort this week. Because if we don’t, and more US resources get moved into the region, we could see things escalate again. Eventually self-preservation tends to win out. It's very rare when people will sacrifice everything and everyone...World War I and II. Especially without any other outside support. While the U.S. had Israel, there wasn't much other support...Iran had zero support really...can't fight a large-scale war alone these days. Not with such high deficits and debt all around the world! I think the worst of this is over...but if Iran makes a fuss, Trump will bluster again...and then it will chaotic a bit longer. Cheers!
Red Lion Posted March 23 Posted March 23 5 minutes ago, Viking said: The good news is we may have reached a stalemate - the US/Israel will stop bombing Iran and Iran will stop bombing the region. The fact the war is not escalating is good news. I think it's doubtful we have reached a stalemate. I could very much see Trump trying to do a "limited" operation to secure the straight, and then hold onto the leverage to bomb their power generation, etc. to continue a tit for tat escalation.
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