cubsfan Posted January 20 Posted January 20 2 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said: And as soon as he's a lame duck president ... with his thin skin, he'll be instantly renamed Donald Duck. Or 'Duck a la Orange' to the Europeans ... who also like to eat well SD Until then SD - I'm looking for the good old fashion hockey brawl - that's what's really needed here. It's not easy to win the Stanley Cup..
Spekulatius Posted January 20 Posted January 20 3 minutes ago, Pelagic said: Thought this was interesting regarding shipping routes around Greenland. Ironically it would seem the Trump administration has adopted one of the IPCC's more extreme global warming scenarios to justify their need for Greenland. Seems like Greenland is useless unless Canada plays ball. It also looks like Iceland is needed as well and it’s quite a bit more useful too. As well Svalbard (Spitzbergen).
changegonnacome Posted January 20 Posted January 20 16 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said: promises to Iranians that the US would support them Yep - nobody talking about how Trump, so eager to take credit for Iranian regime collapse in case it were to happen, couldn't stay off social media during the demonstrations.....essentially prick teasing Iranian protesters that help was on the way when it never was. Reckless and immoral behaviour from a sitting US President.
dwy000 Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Today's the day that all our credit cards lower their interest rate to 10%. Congratulations everyone.
cubsfan Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 8 minutes ago, changegonnacome said: Yep - nobody talking about how Trump, so eager to take credit for Iranian regime collapse in case it were to happen, couldn't stay off social media during the demonstrations.....essentially prick teasing Iranian protesters that help was on the way when it never was. Reckless and immoral behaviour from a sitting US President. Yeah, unfortunately it takes time to get those aircraft carriers and attack force back in the Middle East - since the rest of the world relies on the US and Israel to take care of the problem. That's the difficulty with having a bunch of parasites as allies when it comes to eliminating Iranian terrorist proxies and opening the shipping lanes for Europe, lest Europe collapse. Oh well, Trump will get it done. Edited January 20 by cubsfan
Pelagic Posted January 20 Posted January 20 9 minutes ago, Spekulatius said: Seems like Greenland is useless unless Canada plays ball. It also looks like Iceland is needed as well and it’s quite a bit more useful too. As well Svalbard (Spitzbergen). And in any case the NW Passage is more economical anyways. The trans-Arctic route would be perhaps marginally better for Asia-Europe cargo but anything Asia-US East Coast/Gulf would take the NW Passage.
Sweet Posted January 20 Posted January 20 17 minutes ago, Spekulatius said: Seems like Greenland is useless unless Canada plays ball. It also looks like Iceland is needed as well and it’s quite a bit more useful too. As well Svalbard (Spitzbergen). By the same logical Trump would need Canada too, more so in fact. I actually think Canada and US as one country makes a lot of sense, fat chance Trump will unite them - short of an invasion.
73 Reds Posted January 20 Posted January 20 26 minutes ago, Pelagic said: Thought this was interesting regarding shipping routes around Greenland. Ironically it would seem the Trump administration has adopted one of the IPCC's more extreme global warming scenarios to justify their need for Greenland. Thanks for sharing. Have learned more about Greenland in the last several months than I ever thought possible. But is the speaker in the video contending that the ice isn't melting?
Sweet Posted January 20 Posted January 20 6 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Thanks for sharing. Have learned more about Greenland in the last several months than I ever thought possible. But is the speaker in the video contending that the ice isn't melting? Don’t believe he made a comment about that, only that the shipping route currently doesn’t exist.
changegonnacome Posted January 20 Posted January 20 11 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Yeah, unfortunately it takes time to get those aircraft carriers and attack force back in the Middle East - since the rest of the world relies on the US and Israel to take care of the problem. Unfortunate indeed.....if only Trump was well briefed and knew that he could have refrained from tweeting allusions to imminent US military support. Reality of course is he knew it.....and tweeted anyway....Donald had to insert himself into it, god forbid the Iranian people would overthrow the regime and get all the credit!
Pelagic Posted January 20 Posted January 20 4 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Thanks for sharing. Have learned more about Greenland in the last several months than I ever thought possible. But is the speaker in the video contending that the ice isn't melting? I don't think he's making a contention that it isn't melting just that the US/Canada already controls the best (shortest) option. If the goal is to get Europe to stop freeriding off US defense spending why does taking Greenland and presumably defending a future trans-Arctic route in 20-60 years when it opens up make sense when European countries are the primary beneficiaries of that route anyways? Quote Moreover, while the NSR already reduces sailings between Europe and East Asia from ~30 days via the Suez Canal to ~18 days, the TSR offers even greater time savings by cutting an additional 1–5 days off the journey [9,10]. (NSR - Northern Sea Route north of Europe and Russia, TSR - Transpolar Sea Route) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308597X2030453X
cubsfan Posted January 20 Posted January 20 1 minute ago, changegonnacome said: Unfortunate indeed.....if only Trump was well briefed and knew that he could have refrained from tweeting allusions to imminent US military support. Reality of course is he knew it.....and tweeted anyway....Donald had to insert himself into it, god forbid the Iranian people would overthrow the regime and get all the credit! It's funny, but sad in reality, how the rest of our allies don't say a peep about the slaughter in Iran while they can't keep their mouths shut about Gaza and Israel. Their specialty is moralizing lectures, with no action. Oh, yeah, I forgot, they actually sent 15 soldiers to Greenland to fend off the US invasion. LOL
John Hjorth Posted January 20 Posted January 20 9 minutes ago, Spekulatius said: Seems like Greenland is useless unless Canada plays ball. It also looks like Iceland is needed as well and it’s quite a bit more useful too. As well Svalbard (Spitzbergen). It's still all POTUS *BS*, no matter many times he repeats his *BS*. - - - o 0 o - - - Pretty striking how formerly very vocal, almost yelling Vance and Rubio [especially Vance ], has gone silent since Saturday POTUS outburst, eruption. It's almost deafening, ear-shattering, resounding -Let's give them a similar standing applause : YouTube - Signs : Yay, Deaf applause
cubsfan Posted January 20 Posted January 20 3 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: It's still all POTUS *BS*, no matter many times he repeats his *BS*. - - - o 0 o - - - Pretty striking how formerly very vocal, almost yelling Vance and Rubio [especially Vance ], has gone silent since Saturday POTUS outburst, eruption. It's almost deafening, ear-shattering, resounding -Let's give them a similar standing applause : YouTube - Signs : Yay, Deaf applause Right John. Don't believe Danish Defense Intelligence: - Denmark can't defend Greenland - Russia and China are all over Greenland - Something seriously needs to be done ROFL
SharperDingaan Posted January 20 Posted January 20 59 minutes ago, Spekulatius said: Seems like Greenland is useless unless Canada plays ball. It also looks like Iceland is needed as well and it’s quite a bit more useful too. As well Svalbard (Spitzbergen). To Orange Boy the northern routes are just an extension of the US Pacific Lake. As with the Panama Canal, US control at both ends of the shipping route; the US already controls the Bering Strait (adjacent to Alaska) entrance, so control is sought over the southern entrance next to Greenland. NATO/Europe responsible for the other entrance. Control the entrances and you also control the major trade route between Asia and Europe. SD
John Hjorth Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, 73 Reds said: Thanks for sharing. Have learned more about Greenland in the last several months than I ever thought possible. But is the speaker in the video contending that the ice isn't melting? 1 hour ago, Sweet said: Don’t believe he made a comment about that, only that the shipping route currently doesn’t exist. 1 hour ago, Pelagic said: I don't think he's making a contention that it isn't melting just that the US/Canada already controls the best (shortest) option. If the goal is to get Europe to stop freeriding off US defense spending why does taking Greenland and presumably defending a future trans-Arctic route in 20-60 years when it opens up make sense when European countries are the primary beneficiaries of that route anyways? (NSR - Northern Sea Route north of Europe and Russia, TSR - Transpolar Sea Route) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308597X2030453X This row, string of exchanges is actually awesome discussion with focus on available facts! - - - o 0 o - - - There actually exist videos built by merging, combining satelite still pictures, photos over time that documents the evolution, demise [<-?], of the Artic, Northpole Icecap over time, available on the Web : YouTube :ARHCIVED - NASA Climate Change [July 11th 2022] : Annual Arctic Sea Ice Minimum 1979-2021 with Area Graph - - - o 0 o - - - So, gentlemen @73 Reds, @Sweet, @Pelagic & @Spekulatius, SD [ @SharperDingaan], and perhaps also other CofB&F members, What do you see - What are your detailed observations and conclusions of importance, based on your observations in this situation Edited January 20 by John Hjorth Added SD [@SharperDingaan ]
Gregmal Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 15 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: This row, string of exchanges is actually awesome discussion with focus on available facts! - - - o 0 o - - - There actually exist videos built by merging, combining satelite still pictures, photos over time that documents the evolution, demise [<-?], of the Artic, Northpole Icecap over time, available on the Web : YouTube :ARHCIVED - NASA Climate Change [July 11th 2022] : Annual Arctic Sea Ice Minimum 1979-2021 with Area Graph - - - o 0 o - - - So, gentlemen @73 Reds, @Sweet, @Pelagic & @Spekulatius, and perhaps also other CofB&F members, What do you see - What are your detailed observations and conclusions of importance, based on your observations in this situation That once again, like we ve seen oh so many other times before, people whom love, just love, telling others they are crazy/in cults/etc for supposedly obsessing over Trump….going absolutely manic, obsessing over yet another subject Daddy Trump told them they need to care about….while I, myself, whom has never really given two shits about Greenland, still have…pretty much no interest in Greenland nor any of the stupid gossip and speculation about it. It is fun watching the puppets get played though! Edited January 20 by Gregmal
John Hjorth Posted January 20 Posted January 20 1 hour ago, SharperDingaan said: And as soon as he's a lame duck president ... with his thin skin, he'll be instantly renamed Donald Duck. Or 'Duck a la Orange' to the Europeans ... who also like to eat well SD HaHa!
John Hjorth Posted January 20 Posted January 20 9 minutes ago, Gregmal said: That once again, like we ve seen oh so many other times before, people whom love, just love, telling others they are crazy/in cults/etc for supposedly obsessing over Trump….going absolutely manic, obsessing over yet another subject Daddy Trump told them they need to care about….while I, myself, whom has never really given two shits about Greenland, still have…pretty much no interest in Greenland nor any of the stupid gossip and speculation about it. It is watching the puppets get played though! Greg [ @Gregmal ], What does that contribute to this discussion, repeated on and on by you here, if it is of no materiality, importance to you personally?
Gregmal Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Just now, John Hjorth said: Greg [ @Gregmal ], What does that contribute to this discussion, repeated on and on by you here, if it is of no materiality, importance to you personally? Probably the same as most. Amusement value. There is next to nothing of material value in the politics thread, outside of some great contras. Please let’s hope, that there aren’t really people here, whom think their political commentary, has any real value…..
73 Reds Posted January 20 Posted January 20 1 hour ago, Sweet said: Don’t believe he made a comment about that, only that the shipping route currently doesn’t exist. Yeah, I get that but seeing that this is an investment board and all, don't we sometimes invest in companies whose profits don't yet exist? Just saying....
Sweet Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Gregmal said: Probably the same as most. Amusement value. There is next to nothing of material value in the politics thread, outside of some great contras. Please let’s hope, that there aren’t really people here, whom think their political commentary, has any real value….. We are all shouting into the wind, better than pissing into it though, done that a few times and paid the price. Prefer shouting. Edited January 20 by Sweet
Sweet Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 1 minute ago, 73 Reds said: Yeah, I get that but seeing that this is an investment board and all, don't we sometimes invest in companies whose profits don't yet exist? Just saying.... This is the same ice cap that certain politicans said would be gone by 2008. I’m not sure it’s going away anytime soon. Edited January 20 by Sweet
73 Reds Posted January 20 Posted January 20 2 minutes ago, Sweet said: This is the same ice cap that certain politicans said would be gone by 2008. I’m not sure it’s going away anytime soon. No idea one way or another but politicians would be the last people I'd ask.
cwericb Posted January 20 Posted January 20 2 hours ago, cubsfan said: Yup, once again SD nails it. While Comrade Carney plays nice with China, much happening below the radar in Trump-land. If economy rolls over - Republicans dead in the midterm. 50/50 in my book. Never boring. Comrade Carney? You mean Comrade Trump? Cubs, you are blaming the wrong guy. Trump essentially cut Canada off from our main market. Therefore we have to look elsewhere for countries that want our products. We are not dealing with China by choice. Lay blame on the one who caused this. By the way, perhaps you should be referring to Comrade Trump... Hate to confuse you with the facts but... y Canada, by the way is #17 on the list........... And you have a problem woith Canada? Look in your own back yard - just more BS from the cult.
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