dwy000 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, Gregmal said: If you substitute the word support with “protest” or “disagree with”, you and a lot of others fit the bill to T. Cult Ive stated many, many times that there are Trump policies I've supported. Only to have him screw them up through massive incompetence.
73 Reds Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Just now, dwy000 said: Ive stated many, many times that there are Trump policies I've supported. Only to have him screw them up through massive incompetence. I didn't ask you; you asked me. Are you sure you're OK?
dwy000 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Just now, 73 Reds said: I didn't ask you; you asked me. Are you sure you're OK? Read the post. I wasnt replying to you.
TwoCitiesCapital Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, LC said: You really think MAGA sees things from a human perspective? They worship power and deep down want this to happen. There's no sense discussing when even the murder of a lady in cold blood gets met with a laundry list of excuses of why she had it coming. Nothing new to see, unfortunately. They tripped all over themselves and made a laundry list of excuses why Ashley Babbitt, a rioting insurrectionist who was forcing herself through a barricade and had been instructed multiple times to stop, was shot as a result. Jan 6 insurrectionists are patriots and victims. A U.S. citizen who had waived ICE through multiple times and then attempted to leave when the ICE agents were unreasonably aggressive and trying to physically detain her without probable cause? Domestic terrorist. You can't make this up. The don't tread on me crowd continues to beg to be tread on harder.... Edited January 10 by TwoCitiesCapital
73 Reds Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, dwy000 said: Read the post. I wasnt replying to you. OK, my bad. But if you support some Trump policies why is it so hard to understand why people voted for Trump? To some of us everything the other side did was intentional and thereby worse than mere incompetence.
dwy000 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Just now, 73 Reds said: OK, my bad. But if you support some Trump policies why is it so hard to understand why people voted for Trump? To some of us everything the other side did was intentional and thereby worse than mere incompetence. Its not a matter understanding why people voted for Trump. That I get - whether they liked him, his policies or (more likely) just wanted a change and when there's only 2 options you vote for the other one. But its the complete and utter devotion to whatever he proposes or does, even if (especially if) it completely contradicts a previous position. Its the inability to even take a position on issues without understanding where Trump stands because supporting him is more important than having an opinion. A cult is when you let someone else take over your independent thought- and it used to be the case that republicans mantra was they didnt want anyone telling them what to think, do or believe (which is why I used to vote republican).
73 Reds Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, dwy000 said: Its not a matter understanding why people voted for Trump. That I get - whether they liked him, his policies or (more likely) just wanted a change and when there's only 2 options you vote for the other one. But its the complete and utter devotion to whatever he proposes or does, even if (especially if) it completely contradicts a previous position. Its the inability to even take a position on issues without understanding where Trump stands because supporting him is more important than having an opinion. A cult is when you let someone else take over your independent thought- and it used to be the case that republicans mantra was they didnt want anyone telling them what to think, do or believe (which is why I used to vote republican). So you assume that when people speak up on certain issues here on this Board that happen to also coincide with Trump's positions on these matters that they are all cultists? Without even a shred of evidence other than the few issues we have discussed here, you accused me and others of just that. You assume things not in evidence (sorry for the legal jargon) and make conclusions based on your own ideology rather than a complete understanding. And we're in the cult?
dwy000 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 10 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: So you assume that when people speak up on certain issues here on this Board that happen to also coincide with Trump's positions on these matters that they are all cultists? Without even a shred of evidence other than the few issues we have discussed here, you accused me and others of just that. You assume things not in evidence (sorry for the legal jargon) and make conclusions based on your own ideology rather than a complete understanding. And we're in the cult? No. But when they speak up supporting Trump on every single issue that has come up - even when it is a contradiction of his previous position and even on ones that make most republicans shudder, then what else would you call it?
73 Reds Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 17 minutes ago, dwy000 said: No. But when they speak up supporting Trump on every single issue that has come up - even when it is a contradiction of his previous position and even on ones that make most republicans shudder, then what else would you call it? Every single issue? The issues we discuss here are hardly what anyone would consider a proper sample size of everything and anything important to me from a policy standpoint. You yourself just today for the very first time asked me what Trump policies I don't agree with after months of labeling me a cultist. I'm sure you don't buy now and research later when it comes to your investments. I am also reasonably certain that if you ask people how they define MAGA, everyone's definition would be different yet it is just so easy to slap a label on it in pursuit of a narrative. Edited January 10 by 73 Reds word
cwericb Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 hours ago, cubsfan said: The first shot went through the front window genius. Yes but Cubs, you didn't answer the question. You stated: "Since when is running over law enforcement not a deadly threat?" If that were true........... 1) How did the officer fire two rounds through the side window if he was "run over"? 2) IF, as you say, "he was run over", how is it possible he was still standing as the car went past him? Have you not seen the video ? Or do you simply spout the administration's fabrications?
cubsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, cwericb said: Yes but Cubs, you didn't answer the question. You stated: "Since when is running over law enforcement not a deadly threat?" If that were true........... 1) How did the officer fire two rounds through the side window if he was "run over"? 2) IF, as you say, "he was run over", how is it possible he was still standing as the car went past him? Have you not seen the video ? Or do you simply spout the administration's fabrications? Where you going with this? In what universe is it permissible to drive your car at law enforcement officer that ordered you out of the car? Is a car a deadly weapon? Have you ever seen law enforcement killed or injured by some nutcase that decides to accelerate toward you? So the poor lady makes terrible choices: - I refuse to obey law enforcement - Law enforcement is standing in front of my car - I drive directly at law enforcement and get shot - The driver is looking right at him as she accelerated the car. I've seen all the videos - you can hear the guy get hit by the car from his own video. You can hear the "wife" say, "Drive, baby, drive". He was indeed hit by the car. Now you assume the cop needed to be a mind reader that she did NOT intentionally hit him. So you want to play Johnny Cochran and find the cop guilty of murder. Go right ahead, make all the excuses you like.
Sweet Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) The whole Renee Nicole Good thing is example of both sides just losing their minds. She had no business in the middle of the road blocking ICE - and she was blocking ICE - she waited in the road a just to pull out in front of them. She fucked around with law enforcement and paid a silly price. It’s just mental how a mother of 3 would even risk leaving her kids with no mother, and I understand one of the kids dad died too… wtf But she also shouldn’t have been shot, I’m 99% sure she didn't intend to ram the officer. It’s clear she was trying to turn away from the officer. I don’t really blame the officer though, after seeing the officers angle I completely understand how in a split second it looked like she was trying to run him over. The ICE officer apparently was dragged up the street by a person in a car a year ago and suffered a substantial injury, so he probably prepared so it wouldn’t ever happen again. It’s what they would call in racing a racing incident. Multiple mistakes by both parties, but I don’t think there should be a penalty for the officer. He shouldn’t have killed her, but he didn’t have the bystander Birds Eye view we did. He was bumped by a car and reacted. She should not have been there, she must have known the risks. I feel bad for the kids. Edited January 10 by Sweet
dwy000 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 16 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Every single issue? The issues we discuss here are hardly what anyone would consider a proper sample size of everything and anything important to me from a policy standpoint. You yourself just today for the very first time asked me what Trump policies I don't agree with after months of labeling me a cultist. I'm sure you don't buy now and research later when it comes to your investments. I am also reasonably certain that if you ask people how they define MAGA, everyone's definition would be different yet it is just so easy to slap a label on it in pursuit of a narrative. All I have to go on is what's discussed here. And every single issue (every one) you have supported even when it contradicts a previous position of his. When we discuss an issue and you come out and say that you disagree with Trump and he is wrong we will have something to discuss. Until then you have met every bit of the cult definition you had me post yesterday (maybe not the chanting part but I dont know how you spend your evenings)
cubsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Sweet said: The whole Renee Nicole Good thing is example of both sides just losing their minds. She had no business in the middle of the road blocking ICE - and she was blocking ICE - she waiting in the road a whole just to pull out in front of them. She fucked around with law enforcement and paid a silly price. It’s just mental how a mother of 3 would even risk leaving her kids with no mother, and I understand one of the kids dad died too… wtf But she also shouldn’t have been shot, I’m 99% sure she didn't intend to ram the officer. It’s clear she was trying to turn away from the officer. I don’t really blame the officer though, after seeing the officers angle I completely understand how in a split second it looked like she was trying to run him over. The ICE officer apparently was dragged up the street by a person in a car a year ago and suffered a substantial injury, so he probably prepared so it wouldn’t ever happen again. It’s what they would call in racing a racing incident. Multiple mistakes by both parties, but I don’t think there should be a penalty for the officer. He shouldn’t have killed her, but he didn’t have the bystander Birds Eye view we did. He was bumped by a car and reacted. She should have been there, she must have known the risks. I feel bad for the kids. You're correct. A totally preventable tragedy for a young, reckless mother. That's all we're saying. She certainly didn't deserve - but a someone said. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. You have a law enforcement officer with a family that has no idea what this fool has in mind, while her "wife" cheers her on. Total stupidity by her and her partner got her killed.
Sweet Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 12 minutes ago, cubsfan said: You're correct. A totally preventable tragedy for a young, reckless mother. That's all we're saying. She certainly didn't deserve - but a someone said. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. You have a law enforcement officer with a family that has no idea what this fool has in mind, while her "wife" cheers her on. Total stupidity by her and her partner got her killed. Government needs to make it so that’s it’s easy to put people like this woman on jail. Her and her wife, 1 year, certainly a lot better than being shot, temporary separation from her kids is better than a permanent one. The whole thing is just dumb and wrong what happened to her. Unfortunately it was largely (not completely) a situation of her own making. Edited January 10 by Sweet
John Hjorth Posted January 10 Posted January 10 6 minutes ago, dwy000 said: All I have to go on is what's discussed here. And every single issue (every one) you have supported even when it contradicts a previous position of his. When we discuss an issue and you come out and say that you disagree with Trump and he is wrong we will have something to discuss. Until then you have met every bit of the cult definition you had me post yesterday (maybe not the chanting part but I dont know how you spend your evenings) @dwy000, why are you even spending your time, mental KJoules, on such like these things? - Ignoring someone by your values and attitudes a priori turns down may to me seem more effecient regarding your time!
cubsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 sad and reckless women obstruct and taunt law enforcement, then driver looks right at officer and hits him with car. Hard to know what they were thinking - but the stupidity is astounding - and the outcome tragic:
UK Posted January 10 Posted January 10 https://archive.is/pAYCA THE PACE of change is breath-taking. On January 3rd United States special forces captured Nicolás Maduro, Venezuela’s dictator. On January 6th Donald Trump said Venezuela would be “turning over” 30m to 50m barrels of oil to the United States. Two days later the regime said it would release “a significant number” of political prisoners. The next day an American delegation arrived in Caracas, the capital, to work on reopening the embassy. A Venezuelan team is expected to head to Washington, with Mr Trump saying he would meet them “pretty soon”. A crucial question is whether Mr Trump will “run” Venezuela down the barrel of a gun—he initially threatened interim president Delcy Rodríguez with a fate worse than Mr Maduro’s if she didn’t comply with his plans for the country—or whether he might be more collaborative. The latter may signal an intention to let Ms Rodríguez settle in for a longer period, an alarming prospect for Venezuela’s democratic opposition. Setting aside the bluster there is clear evidence, especially from the emerging deal on oil, of collaboration.
cubsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, UK said: https://archive.is/pAYCA THE PACE of change is breath-taking. On January 3rd United States special forces captured Nicolás Maduro, Venezuela’s dictator. On January 6th Donald Trump said Venezuela would be “turning over” 30m to 50m barrels of oil to the United States. Two days later the regime said it would release “a significant number” of political prisoners. The next day an American delegation arrived in Caracas, the capital, to work on reopening the embassy. A Venezuelan team is expected to head to Washington, with Mr Trump saying he would meet them “pretty soon”. A crucial question is whether Mr Trump will “run” Venezuela down the barrel of a gun—he initially threatened interim president Delcy Rodríguez with a fate worse than Mr Maduro’s if she didn’t comply with his plans for the country—or whether he might be more collaborative. The latter may signal an intention to let Ms Rodríguez settle in for a longer period, an alarming prospect for Venezuela’s democratic opposition. Setting aside the bluster there is clear evidence, especially from the emerging deal on oil, of collaboration. Yup, he knows he needs some semblance of order - so he is leaving in place the new President with a gun to her head. He hopes Ms Rodriquez can control 1) head of the military 2) head of the police. I'm sure those 2 are the key to order in the country. If he has any trouble with any of the 3 - they certainly know what is in store for them. They saw it first hand with Maduro.
dwy000 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 54 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: @dwy000, why are you even spending your time, mental KJoules, on such like these things? - Ignoring someone by your values and attitudes a priori turns down may to me seem more effecient regarding your time! Some people gamble. Some people play golf. We have to get our kicks somehow.
Spekulatius Posted January 10 Posted January 10 These ICE officers are not well trained. They are also very aggressive moving around in unmarked vehicles, without ID, masks etc. Accidents like what happened to Mrs. Good are bound to happen. It won’t be the last one either.
73 Reds Posted January 10 Posted January 10 55 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: @dwy000, why are you even spending your time, mental KJoules, on such like these things? - Ignoring someone by your values and attitudes a priori turns down may to me seem more effecient regarding your time! John, he's a lousy debater but a good investor.
cubsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Just now, Spekulatius said: These ICE officers are not well trained. They are also very aggressive moving around in unmarked vehicles, without ID, masks etc. Accidents like what happened to Mrs. Good are bound to happen. It won’t be the last one either. No doubt it won't be the last one. With all the idiots demonizing law enforcement and calling for violent resistance - the LEFT is looking to pile up martyrs for their cause. Leave it to Rachel Maddow, Tim Walz, Larry Krasner, etc, etc to inspire their suckers on to violence. The old political playbook: when you have NO political power, resort to violent resistance.
73 Reds Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, cubsfan said: No doubt it won't be the last one. With all the idiots demonizing law enforcement and calling for violent resistance - the LEFT is looking to pile up martyrs for their cause. Leave it to Rachel Maddow, Tim Walz, Larry Krasner, etc, etc to inspire their suckers on to violence. The old political playbook: when you have NO political power, resort to violent resistance. Also important to distinguish between paid protesters and people that are genuinely out there expressing their opinions. When you have to pay people to act unsavory in order to make a point, the narrative becomes more important than the point you are trying to make. Kind of sad really, that the public falls for it.
whatstheofficerproblem Posted January 11 Posted January 11 I actually find this to be true. Though I think this guy is referring to the wignat movement. How is it that every neo-white supremacist has an oriental wife?
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