ICUMD Posted January 9 Posted January 9 8 minutes ago, dwy000 said: what is the end game? Oil and control of oil reserves. Countries that control energy, control the world.
Gregmal Posted January 9 Posted January 9 12 minutes ago, dwy000 said: This is ridiculous. Indeed it is, the kind of crazy shit Trump can make you guys do. Next you’ll be defending running over law enforcement agents with cars…..Oops
dwy000 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: So we don't do it unless we have answers to all your questions and only to your satisfaction. Interesting way to look at things. Its not my questions its the entire country's (both the US and Venezuela) not to mention the rest of the world who are sitting there going "well now what? Who is better off? Who's going to fix it? And what does this open the door for other countries to do unilaterally?" We get that youre satisfied because, well, its Trump and Dear Leader can do no wrong, but the rest of the world has to figure out what the hell is going on.
73 Reds Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 minute ago, dwy000 said: Its not my questions its the entire country's (both the US and Venezuela) not to mention the rest of the world who are sitting there going "well now what? Who is better off? Who's going to fix it? And what does this open the door for other countries to do unilaterally?" We get that youre satisfied because, well, its Trump and Dear Leader can do no wrong, but the rest of the world has to figure out what the hell is going on. Pretty straight forward to me. @ICUMD just gave you one example.
dwy000 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, ICUMD said: Oil and control of oil reserves. Countries that control energy, control the world. I suspect that's right but how? How does taking out Maduro and having his regime still in place give the US control of their oil reserves? Especially when Rubio and Trump cant seem to agree on next steps.
Spooky Posted January 9 Posted January 9 46 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Hey, don't change their narrative now.. It's almost like you're asking the boys to make sense. All you need to know @Gregmal is "Trump Bad" LOL The flip side from you is "Trump Good". Nothing he does is bad and it doesn't matter if we change our positions on a dime. It would be great to get beyond this tribalism and look at the facts in a rational and unbiased way.
dwy000 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Spooky said: The flip side from you is "Trump Good". Nothing he does is bad and it doesn't matter if we change our positions on a dime. It would be great to get beyond this tribalism and look at the facts in a rational and unbiased way. Its not tribalism its a cult.
73 Reds Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Just now, dwy000 said: I suspect that's right but how? How does taking out Maduro and having his regime still in place give the US control of their oil reserves? Especially when Rubio and Trump cant seem to agree on next steps. Same answer I gave to @Spooky. Its been less than a week and already you're making assumptions into the indefinite future. Contrary to what many of you believe, there is some forethought that goes into this. You're welcome to think otherwise - that is why we have elections.
changegonnacome Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gregmal said: Like I genuinely don’t get what will make some of you folks happy. You answered your own question......dont go into foreign nations ,mind your own business.....if Biden did it he'd get the same response from me....if for gods sake you do decide to go in, try for some good to come out of it....that usually amounted to the US attempting REGIME change.....whipping out Maduro who's a bad guy is not regime change if his whole regime is still there after! ....its like spray painting your toyota car and claiming its now a BMW....nah dude its a Toyota you just changed the paint. Edited January 9 by changegonnacome
73 Reds Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, dwy000 said: Its not tribalism its a cult. Spooky is correct. Did you look up the definition of "cult"?
dwy000 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Same answer I gave to @Spooky. Its been less than a week and already you're making assumptions into the indefinite future. Contrary to what many of you believe, there is some forethought that goes into this. You're welcome to think otherwise - that is why we have elections. I am (and everybody else is) making assumptions because not only have they not explained the rationale and what comes next but the very people in charge are contradicting each other about it. Trump doesnt do forethought. Its apparent that the only forethought went into removing Maduro not what comes next. And the voting part is coming rapidly into the forefront when the Republican controlled Senate just voted to require Trump to come to congress before any more military action in Venezuela. Even they know he's got no plan.
73 Reds Posted January 9 Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, dwy000 said: I am (and everybody else is) making assumptions because not only have they not explained the rationale and what comes next but the very people in charge are contradicting each other about it. Trump doesnt do forethought. Its apparent that the only forethought went into removing Maduro not what comes next. And the voting part is coming rapidly into the forefront when the Republican controlled Senate just voted to require Trump to come to congress before any more military action in Venezuela. Even they know he's got no plan. So you just disproved your own point that Trump is a dictator. Well done.
Gregmal Posted January 9 Posted January 9 So the issue is that Trump didn’t disclosure a Special Ops mission to you and your kind, well in advance? Man! Just when I started coming around to the craziness of discussing bombings on Signal or whatever being this huge deal(that’s what you guys told us) because these things need to be kept classified, now I’m hit with “they didn’t tell us all the secret mission plans in advance”….phew!
73 Reds Posted January 9 Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, Gregmal said: So the issue is that Trump didn’t disclosure a Special Ops mission to you and your kind, well in advance? Man! Just when I started coming around to the craziness of discussing bombings on Signal or whatever being this huge deal(that’s what you guys told us) because these things need to be kept classified, now I’m hit with “they didn’t tell us all the secret mission plans in advance”….phew! Maybe we should have sought the approval of Maduro and his team as well.
Gregmal Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Maybe we should have sought the approval of Maduro and his team as well. It’s mind boggling, just the non stop bitching and moaning lol. Like get a fuckin life…..
dwy000 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 23 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Spooky is correct. Did you look up the definition of "cult"? A cult is a group with extreme, unorthodox beliefs centered on a charismatic leader or idea, using high-pressure tactics to control members, often isolating them and demanding total loyalty, though the term also refers to intense devotion (a "cult following") or historical systems of worship. Key signs of a controlling cult include authoritarian leadership, no tolerance for questions, manipulation, shunning outsiders (including family), and secrecy about finances . Core Characteristics of Controlling Cults: Centralized Authority: A single, unquestionable leader with absolute power. Isolation: Discouraging contact with outside friends, family, or the general public. Mind Control: Using techniques like sleep deprivation, intense chanting, or emotional manipulation to control members. Exploitation: Demanding excessive time, money, or labor from followers. Shunning: Punishing members who question or try to leave. Us vs. Them Mentality: Viewing the outside world as corrupt or evil.
dwy000 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 13 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: So you just disproved your own point that Trump is a dictator. Well done. Ive never said he was a Dictator. I think he wants to be a dictator.
73 Reds Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) 2 minutes ago, dwy000 said: A cult is a group with extreme, unorthodox beliefs centered on a charismatic leader or idea, using high-pressure tactics to control members, often isolating them and demanding total loyalty, though the term also refers to intense devotion (a "cult following") or historical systems of worship. Key signs of a controlling cult include authoritarian leadership, no tolerance for questions, manipulation, shunning outsiders (including family), and secrecy about finances . Core Characteristics of Controlling Cults: Centralized Authority: A single, unquestionable leader with absolute power. Isolation: Discouraging contact with outside friends, family, or the general public. Mind Control: Using techniques like sleep deprivation, intense chanting, or emotional manipulation to control members. Exploitation: Demanding excessive time, money, or labor from followers. Shunning: Punishing members who question or try to leave. Us vs. Them Mentality: Viewing the outside world as corrupt or evil. Well, without reading further the "absolute power" part rules it out. @Spooky 1 @dwyooo 0. Shall we play on? Edited January 9 by 73 Reds missed line
dwy000 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 9 minutes ago, Gregmal said: So the issue is that Trump didn’t disclosure a Special Ops mission to you and your kind, well in advance? Man! Just when I started coming around to the craziness of discussing bombings on Signal or whatever being this huge deal(that’s what you guys told us) because these things need to be kept classified, now I’m hit with “they didn’t tell us all the secret mission plans in advance”….phew! You just generalize everything. And did you even read the post. Its not about me. Forget the fact that he didnt share it with Congress first as required, but its the fact that even afterwards nobody in the administration can explain what the end game is and what the next steps are.
dwy000 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 8 minutes ago, Gregmal said: It’s mind boggling, just the non stop bitching and moaning lol. Like get a fuckin life….. You're the one who keeps commenting over and over about how none of this means anything and to get a life but you are the first one to comment and complain and rant. Physician heal thyself.
cubsfan Posted January 9 Posted January 9 22 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: So you just disproved your own point that Trump is a dictator. Well done. LOL - these guys never quit!
73 Reds Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 minute ago, dwy000 said: You just generalize everything. And did you even read the post. Its not about me. Forget the fact that he didnt share it with Congress first as required, but its the fact that even afterwards nobody in the administration can explain what the end game is and what the next steps are. Nah, but that's just it. When people (here and elsewhere) make outrageous, outlandish comments about Trump (or anything, really) and then later are pressed for and with details, inevitably they step in their own sh-t.
dwy000 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Well, without reading further the "absolute power" part rules it out. @Spooky 1 @dwyooo 0. Shall we play on? This fits Trump and his cult followers to a T. The "absolute power" was just reconfirmed by Trump yesterday in the NYT interview where he claimed that the only limit or constraint on his power was himself. I was generally surprised when I looked it up at how spot on this definition fit.
cubsfan Posted January 9 Posted January 9 You guys make no sense. @SharperDingaan tells us yesterday Congress is curbing Trump's power. Now he's an absolute dictator....
Gregmal Posted January 9 Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, dwy000 said: You're the one who keeps commenting over and over about how none of this means anything and to get a life but you are the first one to comment and complain and rant. Physician heal thyself. And it doesnt. Life's pretty good. But if you notice.....the stats on the top posters in this thread are easy to see. I kinda just enjoy seeing you guys have seizures over the daily drama, repeatedly. How many times will they fall for it? I dunno....but keep it coming!
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