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[Sweet]

23 minutes ago, LC said:

 

My perspective is that you are debating semantics at the expense of the plot. It is frustrating.

 

For example regarding Biden's immigration policy, I don't care how you want to label it:

 

"encouraging illegal immigration" 

 

vs your description:

 

"run on an illegal immigration friendly platform"

"incentivise them by saying we will provide you a pathway to citizenship"

"call them undocumented rather than illegals, and when you promise a pathway to citizenship for those undocumented"

 

The meaning is clear, whether you want to get caught up on semantics or not. 

It’s not semantics.
 

I never said Biden had the ‘GOAL of encouraging illegal immigration’.  (Why did you leave out the word goal - yet another misdirection.)

 

I said his policies incentivised illegal immigration, I said his policies were illegal immigration friendly, but I never said it was his goal to encourage illegal immigration.

 

Completely different things.  If you can’t see that, not my problem.

 

27 minutes ago, backtothebeach said:

 

I admire your patience, but you are wasting your breath @Sweet.

Yep.  Unreasonable.  Sorry to say, but just going to add LC to my ignore list, which I hate doing.  I just can’t stand the deliberate dishonesty anymore. 

 

Edited September 30, 2025 by Sweet

[dwy000]

20 minutes ago, Sweet said:

I agree with you.  My wife, usually sensible, and from a science background herself, has got the jitters.  Worse it’s affecting me too.  When you have kids you can’t think straight at times.  RFK talks rubbish but it’s got a hold on people.

She had relatives at the house today, and they were saying that they have noticed an effect from vaccines.  This was a closed discussion years ago and he’s opened it up. 
 

If a guy with zero medical experience who was a drug addict for years and admitted having a literal brain worm is making you, an otherwise sane, rational, well-educated person, question the effectiveness of vaccines that have almost eliminated diseases that killed millions of people, it makes you wonder where we are headed as a society.  Dont succumb to conspiracies.  It's your kids' health!  

[Spekulatius]

ICE - your tax $ at work. Looks like a colorized trailer for a Charlie Chaplin movie.

 

[Sweet]

47 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

If a guy with zero medical experience who was a drug addict for years and admitted having a literal brain worm is making you, an otherwise sane, rational, well-educated person, question the effectiveness of vaccines that have almost eliminated diseases that killed millions of people, it makes you wonder where we are headed as a society.  Dont succumb to conspiracies.  It's your kids' health!  

Yeh, the guy is a lunatic.  It’s not him directly getting to me, it’s my wife lol.

 

I’m going to sit her down with ChatGPT tomorrow and tell her to ask it questions about kids vaccinated vs unvaccinated trials and what they found.

 

I also didn’t know that about him, druggie and brain worm.  Such a wild man.

 

edit - heroine, had no idea.  Can see how he slipped into that though when his father being killed when he was young.  Tough start in life.

 

Edited September 30, 2025 by Sweet

[dwy000]

12 minutes ago, Sweet said:

Yeh, the guy is a lunatic.  It’s not him directly getting to me, it’s my wife lol.

 

I’m going to sit her down with ChatGPT tomorrow and tell her to ask it questions about kids vaccinated vs unvaccinated trials and what they found.

 

I also didn’t know that about him, druggie and brain worm.  Such a wild man.

 

edit - heroine, had no idea.  Can see how he slipped into that though when his father being killed when he was young.  Tough start in life.

 

Tough start but not an excuse for his crazy views.   He had a really rich, famous family to help him thru it. 

 

Hes also the guy who drove around with a dead bear in his car before dumping it in Central Park.  How he became the head of healthcare in the US is headshaking.  Loyalty over competence.  

[LC]

2 hours ago, Sweet said:

I said his policies incentivised illegal immigration, I said his policies were illegal immigration friendly, but I never said it was his goal to encourage illegal immigration.

 

So Biden was removing barriers to illegal immigration, whilst assuming that illegal immigration would fall!? 

It's like saying "honey...the sink is leaking...let me open the faucet - that'll stop the water!"

 

Biden's policies that were "illegal immigration friendly" (I'm taking a real chance quoting you here - hopefully you didn't actually mean "unfriendly") were really just the status quo for decades - and congruent with domestic and international settled law. Decades over which immigration volumes came/went in waves.

 

You blame Biden for enforcing the law the same way you ignore Trump breaking the law. And when Biden re-enacted Trump's policies (at court order, which he actually complied with) - well that obviously doesn't count. Oh and when Biden legally goes and rounds up and deports/rejects record volume of illegal immigrants, whilst complying with the constitution - nope, doesn't count! Oh and when he tries to pass bipartisan laws to further limit illegal immigration, and Trump torpedo's it - well that's Biden's fault too!

 

It's an absurd position to take, because you don't want to admit Trump created a problem, ran on the problem, and is now crapping all over the constitution to "fix" the problem, which is really just an excuse for him to consolidate power. But I guess it's easier to cry "liar!" when challenged on it.

 

 

2 hours ago, Sweet said:

I just can’t stand the deliberate dishonesty anymore. 

 

At least allow me a minute to find some pearls to clutch! 

[SharperDingaan]

So with the government shutdown, effective today .... the US military ain't getting paid; with the national guard on the streets, how long do you think that's really going to last?  In an Oct. 7, 2013, interview with then-Fox News host Greta Van Susteren, Trump criticized Obama for not being a dealmaker during the shutdown. https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/donald-trump-has-advice-for-president-obama-about-the-art-of-the-deal

 

"You have to get everybody in a room. You have to be a leader. The president has to lead. He has to get (the Speaker of the House) and everybody else in a room, and they have to make a deal. You have to be nice and be angry and be wild and cajole and do all sorts of things, but you have to get a deal."

 

All that anger, wildness, and cajoling ? .... Orange Boy needs a deal, October bond issuance will be at higher rates to compensate for the uncertainty, and it's quite the opportunity!. Sure one can use the opportunity to fire everybody, but it'll  cost a lot more in interest and the mid term election.

 

Volatility is your friend! 

 

SD    

 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2025 by SharperDingaan

[73 Reds]

12 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said:

So with the government shutdown, effective today .... the US military ain't getting paid; with the national guard on the streets, how long do you think that's really going to last?  In an Oct. 7, 2013, interview with then-Fox News host Greta Van Susteren, Trump criticized Obama for not being a dealmaker during the shutdown. https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/donald-trump-has-advice-for-president-obama-about-the-art-of-the-deal

 

"You have to get everybody in a room. You have to be a leader. The president has to lead. He has to get (the Speaker of the House) and everybody else in a room, and they have to make a deal. You have to be nice and be angry and be wild and cajole and do all sorts of things, but you have to get a deal."

 

All that anger, wildness, and cajoling ? .... Orange Boy needs a deal, October bond issuance will be at higher rates to compensate for the uncertainty, and it's quite the opportunity!. Sure one can use the opportunity to fire everybody, but it'll  cost a lot more in interest and the mid term election.

 

Volatility is your friend! 

 

SD    

 

 

 

Government shutdowns usually last less than a week.

[gfp]

14 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said:

October bond issuance will be at higher rates to compensate for the uncertainty

 

You keep predicting higher rates like it's a done deal.  It hasn't happened.  Maybe invert and ask yourself "why?" instead of pretending rates have gone higher and are headed higher still

[LC]

16 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said:

with the national guard on the streets, how long do you think that's really going to last?  

 

Sounds like some of the ICE goons took a few days off to enjoy the Ryder Cup, at the expense of everyone else! 

 

https://nypost.com/2025/09/30/sports/rory-mcilroy-demands-ryder-cup-fan-get-booted-over-homophobic-slur-in-new-video/

[Parsad]

15 hours ago, Sweet said:

I agree with you.  My wife, usually sensible, and from a science background herself, has got the jitters.  Worse it’s affecting me too.  When you have kids you can’t think straight at times.  RFK talks rubbish but it’s got a hold on people.

She had relatives at the house today, and they were saying that they have noticed an effect from vaccines.  This was a closed discussion years ago and he’s opened it up. 
 

 

The more people talk about something, the more likely that others will subconsciously believe that they are seeing something as well...it's called MPI (mass psychogenic illness) or mass hysteria.  

 

It's a very good way of persuading a mass group of the populace...a great example is Trump's comments on Fentanyl amounts coming from Canada.  Even though every single statistic (US, Canadian and otherwise) indicates that very little Fentanyl comes from Canada into the U.S., the comments fueled massive belief that this was true.  

 

The same thing happens when it comes to things that are close to or near and dear to our heart, like our children's health and safety.  Comments without factual research behind it is like yelling fire in a crowded movie theatre.  You unwittingly end up hurting far more people by telling a fib or something that isn't accurate.  

 

This is very sad to me as a firm believer in science, because poor decisions based on inaccurate information leading to doubt will lead to more illness and death.

 

If it's any comfort to you, even Trump says that some vaccines are necessary, and he's received all of them including Covid, contradicting his own Health Czar.  I think Robert Kennedy is one of those people who thinks he knows far more than his qualifications and IQ would justify...the epitome of the Dunning-Kruger effect...and in the position he is in, makes him dangerous to the health of the general population!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

15 hours ago, dwy000 said:

If a guy with zero medical experience who was a drug addict for years and admitted having a literal brain worm is making you, an otherwise sane, rational, well-educated person, question the effectiveness of vaccines that have almost eliminated diseases that killed millions of people, it makes you wonder where we are headed as a society.  Dont succumb to conspiracies.  It's your kids' health!  

 

+1!  Cheers!

[SharperDingaan]

38 minutes ago, gfp said:

 

You keep predicting higher rates like it's a done deal.  It hasn't happened.  Maybe invert and ask yourself "why?" instead of pretending rates have gone higher and are headed higher still

 

A week from now there will either be a deal, or there will not be. Today the story line is that there will be a deal within a week, but if there is still no deal a week from now ... it will be quite different. Bond holders don't have to immediately roll over maturing debt; and it is very simple to squeeze a few extra bp by demanding payment on maturity, temporarily parking the cash outside the US, and buying back later at the better yield.

 

Terrible thing to waste the opportunity 

 

SD 

[Parsad]

14 hours ago, dwy000 said:

Tough start but not an excuse for his crazy views.   He had a really rich, famous family to help him thru it. 

 

Hes also the guy who drove around with a dead bear in his car before dumping it in Central Park.  How he became the head of healthcare in the US is headshaking.  Loyalty over competence.  

 

People criticize Trump and his family, but the Kennedy's were the original gangsters/scumbags!  Half of them are piece of shits like Hunter Biden or Don Jr.  

 

Wealth built illegally, were known as thugs privately to get what they wanted in politics, and cheated on their partners faster than jack rabbits! 

 

Yes, supporters of civil rights, but after John, Robert and Ted, the family is a shit-hole of nepo-babies...one heir was a convicted murderer...one was a rapist/doctor...another flew his plane into the water killing his wife and sister-in-law on a night he should not have been flying...another has brainworms, leaves animal carcasses in Central Park and wants to go back to cupping and blood letting.  They are fucking crazy!

 

Arnold might have saved the Kennedy clan...his family seems pretty normal!

 

Cheers! 

[Parsad]

58 minutes ago, LC said:

 

Sounds like some of the ICE goons took a few days off to enjoy the Ryder Cup, at the expense of everyone else! 

 

https://nypost.com/2025/09/30/sports/rory-mcilroy-demands-ryder-cup-fan-get-booted-over-homophobic-slur-in-new-video/

 

Golf has lost almost all decorum in the last 25 years...started when jack-offs started yelling "In the hole!" after each of Tiger's tee shots...then they started doing it to everyone...I have no fucking idea why they do it and it annoys me to this day! 

 

Since then, and with the political climate, things have gotten worse.  I've never seen the stuff we saw at Beth Page.  Again sad that stupid behavior is permeating the landscape everywhere!  Cheers!

[gfp]

29 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said:

 

A week from now there will either be a deal, or there will not be. Today the story line is that there will be a deal within a week, but if there is still no deal a week from now ... it will be quite different. Bond holders don't have to immediately roll over maturing debt; and it is very simple to squeeze a few extra bp by demanding payment on maturity, temporarily parking the cash outside the US, and buying back later at the better yield.

 

Terrible thing to waste the opportunity 

 

SD 

 

Whatever you say big guy!

[dealraker]

26 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

The more people talk about something, the more likely that others will subconsciously believe that they are seeing something as well...it's called MPI (mass psychogenic illness) or mass hysteria.  

 

It's a very good way of persuading a mass group of the populace...a great example is Trump's comments on Fentanyl amounts coming from Canada.  Even though every single statistic (US, Canadian and otherwise) indicates that very little Fentanyl comes from Canada into the U.S., the comments fueled massive belief that this was true.  

 

The same thing happens when it comes to things that are close to or near and dear to our heart, like our children's health and safety.  Comments without factual research behind it is like yelling fire in a crowded movie theatre.  You unwittingly end up hurting far more people by telling a fib or something that isn't accurate.  

 

This is very sad to me as a firm believer in science, because poor decisions based on inaccurate information leading to doubt will lead to more illness and death.

 

If it's any comfort to you, even Trump says that some vaccines are necessary, and he's received all of them including Covid, contradicting his own Health Czar.  I think Robert Kennedy is one of those people who thinks he knows far more than his qualifications and IQ would justify...the epitome of the Dunning-Kruger effect...and in the position he is in, makes him dangerous to the health of the general population!  Cheers!

Interestingly along these lines is my decision this year to get the Covid and flu vaccine shots.  In the past I've just gotten a bit wired up from these things, but this year I felt pretty bad for 24 hours.  I had incentive though and of course just one example but briefly mentioned below.

 

Once a week now for about 30 years, I've as we call it "ridden the road" on decent weather days on a non ebike 'road bikes' ride with a bunch from my neighborhood.  Mostly older our group is fortunate to have a convenient trek along the lake here for 15 miles out and back.  Pretty views and just a few slower moving cars makes it ideal, we often know most who pass us.  As a group we can for a peloton where each rider can take a turn "pulling" while other riders draft, it forms a good group atmosphere where we are compelled to cooperate and flex to make it work.  It is fun and fast for the group which makes it even more fun.  While hard to believe, trekking along at an average speed of 20mph on a road bike is exhilarating.

 

On this ride has always, for the entire 30 years, been a 5'9" woman named Jenny.  Jenny is drop dead beautiful and powerfully athletic, and tough as nails as to dealing with life and what gets tossed her way.  She and her husband just recently went on a month long trip to several countries, they both returned with the Covid virus.  Neither has ever taken the Covid vaccine, she is now 58 and he 54.  He is a vet of the Iraq War, a big strong man.

 

My wife once said out of silliness, "If you'll take me to a Van Morrison concert I'll give you a threesome!"  I've often, in the presence of others we know well, brought her 'popular' (with me) line up with friends, and it brings the laughs.  Angela does occasionally say, "Well, I was of course just kidding...but if you get Jenny as the third I might reconsider!"  Yea, even Angela says Jenny is quite appealing!

 

Covid evidently went straight to Jenny's kidneys; they are not functioning.  Ten weeks ago she was a muscular beautiful woman, today she does dialysis.  Her husband is having severe respiratory problems, he's on his back in the hospital.  I guess neither Jenny nor her husbands issues could be proven to be from Covid.

 

I also guess many would say the odds were that maybe they'd just as likely get these outcomes from the Covid vaccine itself.  And I don't know the stats from that.

 

But damn what an outcome.  It has shaken all of us around here, "so close to home" as we say.

 

My two bouts of Covid have been symptom free.  Angela and I haven't missed a vaccine yet and don't plan on it.  

[Williams406]

15 hours ago, Sweet said:

 

I’m going to sit her down with ChatGPT tomorrow and tell her to ask it questions about kids vaccinated vs unvaccinated trials and what they found.

 

 

 

You might consider spending some time with the vaccine inserts for vaccines that are recommended. Look at ingredients, contraindications, adverse reactions, etc. Every medical intervention carries some level of risk and you should  make sure the trade-off makes sense to you, especially when making decisions for your children. 

[Blugolds]

15 hours ago, Sweet said:

Yeh, the guy is a lunatic.  It’s not him directly getting to me, it’s my wife lol.

 

I’m going to sit her down with ChatGPT tomorrow and tell her to ask it questions about kids vaccinated vs unvaccinated trials and what they found.

 

I also didn’t know that about him, druggie and brain worm.  Such a wild man.

 

edit - heroine, had no idea.  Can see how he slipped into that though when his father being killed when he was young.  Tough start in life.

 

 

As someone who spend a portion of his career in the Mayo Health system I can attest to their strive for excellence. It permeates every inch of that institution, they just want to be the best, and it is expected via reputation, but never taken for granted. It is literally their culture. There is a reason that foreign dignitaries travel to a small town in Minnesota for healthcare/treatments when they could literally go anywhere in the world. 

 

My point is, when it comes to medical questions, differ to Mayo suggestions/research. When someone makes claims cross reference against Mayo. I could go on in discussion about the lengths that Mayo goes through to conduct research/testing/review etc but the info is out there. Mayo is and always will be my go-to source for actual medical science. 

 

As in investing, correlation does not equal causation 

[dwy000]

1 hour ago, Parsad said:

 

Golf has lost almost all decorum in the last 25 years...started when jack-offs started yelling "In the hole!" after each of Tiger's tee shots...then they started doing it to everyone...I have no fucking idea why they do it and it annoys me to this day! 

 

Since then, and with the political climate, things have gotten worse.  I've never seen the stuff we saw at Beth Page.  Again sad that stupid behavior is permeating the landscape everywhere!  Cheers!

Slightly OT but I cant remember the baseball player who called golfers pussies because he has to try and use a round bat to hit a round ball being thrown at him at 100 mph with 40,000 fans shouting obscenities while a golfer cant hit a ball sitting still on a tee because somebody way in the back whispered something. 

[Sweet]

37 minutes ago, Williams406 said:

You might consider spending some time with the vaccine inserts for vaccines that are recommended. Look at ingredients, contraindications, adverse reactions, etc. Every medical intervention carries some level of risk and you should  make sure the trade-off makes sense to you, especially when making decisions for your children. 

 

There are some vaccines that I wouldn't bother getting the kids, but the trouble is they come as a all in one shot with something like 6.  Overall though I've never had an issue with any of the kids getting them before.

 

 

36 minutes ago, Blugolds said:

My point is, when it comes to medical questions, differ to Mayo suggestions/research. When someone makes claims cross reference against Mayo. I could go on in discussion about the lengths that Mayo goes through to conduct research/testing/review etc but the info is out there. Mayo is and always will be my go-to source for actual medical science. 

 

Noted, have used Mayo before quite a bit.  Will check out what they are saying on the matter.

 

 

1 hour ago, Parsad said:

 

The more people talk about something, the more likely that others will subconsciously believe that they are seeing something as well...it's called MPI (mass psychogenic illness) or mass hysteria.  

 

It's a very good way of persuading a mass group of the populace...a great example is Trump's comments on Fentanyl amounts coming from Canada.  Even though every single statistic (US, Canadian and otherwise) indicates that very little Fentanyl comes from Canada into the U.S., the comments fueled massive belief that this was true.  

 

The same thing happens when it comes to things that are close to or near and dear to our heart, like our children's health and safety.  Comments without factual research behind it is like yelling fire in a crowded movie theatre.  You unwittingly end up hurting far more people by telling a fib or something that isn't accurate.  

 

This is very sad to me as a firm believer in science, because poor decisions based on inaccurate information leading to doubt will lead to more illness and death.

 

If it's any comfort to you, even Trump says that some vaccines are necessary, and he's received all of them including Covid, contradicting his own Health Czar.  I think Robert Kennedy is one of those people who thinks he knows far more than his qualifications and IQ would justify...the epitome of the Dunning-Kruger effect...and in the position he is in, makes him dangerous to the health of the general population!  Cheers!

 

Yeh that's a good point about mass hysteria.  It's doubly effective when its your kids.  You see all sorts of risks and dangers and want to do you best to avoid them with your kids, no matter how unlikely.

[Charlie]

46 minutes ago, dealraker said:

My two bouts of Covid have been symptom free.  Angela and I haven't missed a vaccine yet and don't plan on it. 

Covid vaccine and flu vaccine are both No-Brainer decisions to do.

My neighbour is a doctor and has visited the U.S. recently for 3 weeks and was surprised how anyone could

argue otherwise.

My parents are doctors. 

They are also surprised that somebody argue otherwise.

 

 

[rogermunibond]

The collective memory of disease and pestilence is short.  One needs only to go back 100 years when outbreaks of diseases affected millions.

[LC]

16 minutes ago, rogermunibond said:

The collective memory of disease and pestilence is short.  One needs only to go back 100 years when outbreaks of diseases affected millions.

 

This is what blows my mind. Were these people given any rudimentary education of 20th century medical history? Have they not seen smallpox photos etc.? Incredible they are willing to gamble with their children's lives against medical science that has been proven over decades and centuries. They worry about "potential side effects" when they themselves were given all these vaccines as children, with no side effects. It's mind blowing. 

Edited October 1, 2025 by LC

[73 Reds]

25 minutes ago, Charlie said:

Covid vaccine and flu vaccine are both No-Brainer decisions to do.

My neighbour is a doctor and has visited the U.S. recently for 3 weeks and was surprised how anyone could

argue otherwise.

My parents are doctors. 

They are also surprised that somebody argue otherwise.

 

 

I really think it is a personal decision.  Some factors include age, health and overall exposure.  Dealraker's story about Jenny is truly sad but also probably very rare for Covid to severely affect someone physcally fit and in great health.  Personally for years I put off getting a flu shot and never got sick.  The first year my doctor finally convinced me to get a shot I got the flu.  Sometimes stuff just happens.  Like young, healthy people who get cancer and die.  Life is not always fair.  I understand folks who believe that the "odds are better" when you get the Covid vaccine and flu shot.  But I also understand those who, for whatever reasons don't.