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[dealraker]

17 hours ago, changegonnacome said:

 

Your right - she's basically perfect for job....I'm sure the guys on the Grand Jury we're riveted.

 

Regardless Trump is out over his skis on this one.....couple of my lawyers friends reckon a federal judge will just throw this one out before it even gets to trial due to the pattern of behaviour here (tweets, comments from Trump...then actions...prosecutor firings & installing unqualified albeit bombshell stooges a few days before the statute of limitations runs out)....it all adds up to selective or vindictive prosecution.

 

As I've said a few times.....we are very lucky that America's first tyrant wanna be autocrat President is actually a moron who can't get out of his own way....when he's done the parties would do well to do a postmortem on his abuses & warping of Presidential powers....next time we won't be so blessed with an incompetent like him.

And he is older than dirt.  "Let's paint this fossil up like a Cochise Indian Warrior with some Beach Boys blond hair" may be the make-up room giggling chant, but it ain't real, it is nothing but fantasy showtime.  

[Sweet]

2 hours ago, changegonnacome said:

You need to go back and look at Presidential history….the opposition undermining the sitting President with investigations, smear clouds is nothing new…how about Kenneth Starr and the whole Clinton period?…Nixon & Watergate?….Reagan Iran-Contra?….back further Ulyss S Grant & the Whiskey Ring.

 

As I said what makes Trump unique is what a cry baby he is about it….and how his supporters hook and line and sinker classify cutthroat DC politics as something other than what it is and always will be…ruthless, brutal and relentless tier1 bipartisan politics. 

 

 

 

Some of those are before my time.  Clinton and Nixon were guilty in each case.  Clinton’s was a big nothing, of course he’s going to lie to save public embarrassment and his marriage.

 

Trump’s case was a big nothing burger partly funded by the Democrats.  Comney knew much of the Steele report was BS and knew it was funded by the Dems and still used it anyway.

 

And yes, Trump is cry baby, but maybe he has something to actually cry about too.  You admit yourself that there was weaponisation of the legal system against him.  Can we say that of Clinton?

 

Edited September 28, 2025 by Sweet

[John Hjorth]

2 hours ago, dealraker said:

And he is older than dirt.  "Let's paint this fossil up like a Cochise Indian Warrior with some Beach Boys blond hair" may be the make-up room giggling chant, but it ain't real, it is nothing but fantasy showtime.  

 

HaHa!   .. I just asked Grok, and got this, -I'm sorry, I forgot to ask for a red tie, too! :

 

[dealraker]

18 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

HaHa!   .. I just asked Grok, and got this, -I'm sorry, I forgot to ask for a red tie, too! :

 

Bingo!

[Parsad]

Is it me or has the last 3-4 days on this thread been more civil?  Wow, what a difference! 

 

No, I didn't do anything.  I think we're being boycotted by a few people.  Cheers!

[LC]

Folks may be too busy with federal troops taking over their hometowns due to "national security reasons"

 

[dwy000]

52 minutes ago, LC said:

Folks may be too busy with federal troops taking over their hometowns due to "national security reasons"

 

Or running and ducking from 4 mass shootings in 24 hrs. 

[LC]

When ICE goons don't meet their daily government takeover quota:

 

https://v.redd.it/u41nhzobf0sf1

[cwericb]

8 hours ago, LC said:

When ICE goons don't meet their daily government takeover quota:

 

https://v.redd.it/u41nhzobf0sf1

 

Was that South Africa a few decades ago?

[73 Reds]

15 hours ago, Parsad said:

Is it me or has the last 3-4 days on this thread been more civil?  Wow, what a difference! 

 

No, I didn't do anything.  I think we're being boycotted by a few people.  Cheers!

You're right.  Most of the nonsense posted in this thread does not warrant a response.

[Gregmal]

lol pretty much. Just let the TDS filled moaning echo chamber thrive off the circle jerking consumption of its own fungi. 

[changegonnacome]

22 hours ago, Sweet said:

but maybe he has something to actually cry about too.  You admit yourself that there was weaponisation of the legal system against him.

 

Yes agree issue is he also committed probable crimes....Georgia election interference, Jan 6th......so weaponization for sure in NY (mortgage case) but mixed in with real probable crimes that required action from the justice system.......he called it warfare but a criminal would say that. Thats all mute now cause he got convicted on the lawfare cases and the cases that would have gone before a jury never got there because he got back into the WH.

[Parsad]

2 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

You're right.  Most of the nonsense posted in this thread does not warrant a response.

 

45 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

lol pretty much. Just let the TDS filled moaning echo chamber thrive off the circle jerking consumption of its own fungi. 

 

C'mon!  You guys love it!  Dwy000 and LC are like Glen Close from Fatal Attraction to you two!

 

And I have to admit, Cubsfan is like Rainman to my Charlie Babbitt. 

 

It would probably take the craziest road trip in history to bring us together!    "Ah oh, two minutes to Hannity!  Two minutes to Hannity!"

 

Cheers!

[Castanza]

12 hours ago, LC said:

When ICE goons don't meet their daily government takeover quota:

 

https://v.redd.it/u41nhzobf0sf1

 

Serious question...What is a reasonable solution to all of this in your opinion? It seems the current political environment only allows for extreme approaches to the issue. Hence we have the masked, unmarked, unbadged ICE agents toeing a very fine Constitutional line and likely crossing it in many cases (Hence the comparison to Brownshirts, Fascists etc....I'd say closer to McCarthyism)....but on the other side of the aisle we had basically zero attempt to mitigate or correct the issue with any form of reasonableness. Slinging feces is fun and all, but you've got to ask....how did we end up here?

[changegonnacome]

On the dip on MAGA push-back on the thread recently - my guess - the fact pattern re: the Comey indictment is just way too hard to twist into anything but abuse of the office of President.....best to take a break from fighting the good fight when Captain Chaos truly transgresses.

 

I get it...Trump is like that friend you defend as basically being a good guy then you go for drinks and he starts fighting with everyone and coming on to people's wifes.

 

I do appreciate hearing the other side of issues and @cubsfan @Red Lion @Gregmal @Sweet have balanced my thinking immensely on lots of issues....not much is ever black or white....makes life interesting....what is clear is that extreme partisanship on the left and right has deranged alot of minds in the US.....the centre ground has just been obliterated by it and moving forward it looks we are going to have political policy volatility like we've never seen before....its going to be a whipsaw from administration to administration. Not good for the country - DC kinda worked for the country the last few decades precisely because it never got much done.....Donald has shown if your willing to invoke emergencies & national security crisis you can actually get a lot done as President......AOC is watching.

[jbrichards74]

9 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

On the dip on MAGA push-back on the thread recently - my guess - the fact pattern re: the Comey indictment is just way too hard to twist into anything but abuse of the office of President.....best to take a break from fighting the good fight when Captain Chaos truly transgresses.

 

I get it...Trump is like that friend you defend as basically being a good guy then you go for drinks and he starts fighting with everyone and coming on to people's wifes.

 

I do appreciate hearing the other side of issues and @cubsfan @Red Lion @Gregmal @Sweet have balanced my thinking immensely on lots of issues....not much is ever black or white....makes life interesting....what is clear is that extreme partisanship on the left and right has deranged alot of minds in the US.....the centre ground has just been obliterated by it and moving forward it looks we are going to have political policy volatility like we've never seen before....its going to be a whipsaw from administration to administration. Not good for the country - DC kinda worked for the country the last few decades precisely because it never got much done.....Donald has shown if your willing to invoke emergencies & national security crisis you can actually get a lot done as President......AOC is watching.

Didn't a grand jury in DC choose to indict Comey?  DC isn't exactly MAGA country.  Could it be that the evidence actually shows he's guilty? 

[Sweet]

25 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

On the dip on MAGA push-back on the thread recently - my guess - the fact pattern re: the Comey indictment is just way too hard to twist into anything but abuse of the office of President.....best to take a break from fighting the good fight when Captain Chaos truly transgresses.

What are you talking about?  The recommendation of charges against Comney came from a majority decision of 23 jurors in federal grand jury in Virginia.

 

Edit - it was in Alexandra Virginia, a suburb of D.C.  In the 2024 election nearly 80% of the electorate voted for Harris.

 

Edited September 29, 2025 by Sweet

[cwericb]

34 minutes ago, Sweet said:

What are you talking about?  The recommendation of charges against Comney came from a majority decision of 23 jurors in federal grand jury in Virginia.

 

Edit - it was in Alexandra Virginia, a suburb of D.C.  In the 2024 election nearly 80% of the electorate voted for Harris.

 

 

Are you familiar with the saying... "Any good prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich"

[changegonnacome]

36 minutes ago, jbrichards74 said:

Didn't a grand jury in DC choose to indict Comey?  DC isn't exactly MAGA country.  Could it be that the evidence actually shows he's guilty? 

 

The standard a Grand Jury is asked to measure things by is probable cause.....about the lowest bar in the criminal justice system.....

 

Then you get on to the structure of a Grand Jury - it only hears the prosecutions case no other side....there's a reason that folks commonly say that you can get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich....the scales are tipped so strongly in the prosecutors side. Having said all that....ham sandwhich talk.....Pamela Anderson Trump's recently appointment attorney actually one of her three indictment thrown out....quite unusual for Grand Jury given all I've said above.

[LC]

1 hour ago, Castanza said:

 

Serious question...What is a reasonable solution to all of this in your opinion? It seems the current political environment only allows for extreme approaches to the issue. Hence we have the masked, unmarked, unbadged ICE agents toeing a very fine Constitutional line and likely crossing it in many cases (Hence the comparison to Brownshirts, Fascists etc....I'd say closer to McCarthyism)....but on the other side of the aisle we had basically zero attempt to mitigate or correct the issue with any form of reasonableness. Slinging feces is fun and all, but you've got to ask....how did we end up here?

 

Well firstly, I disagree the problem was so bad that we needed to "build a wall" (didn't Trump build that wall in his first term? Why didn't it solve the problem?). But let's assume there was a big problem to solve:

 

If you want to avoid extreme solutions, get Trump out of power. He is the king of extremist politics.

 

I agree there was bureaucracy and a cautious-approach to illegal immigration, could some of that have been removed?

Absolutely - and probably a middle-ground president and a split congress could have accomplished that.

 

There was a 2024 bipartisan border control bill that Senate republicans killed:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-democrats-immigration-border-bill

 

Republicans, who have repeatedly demanded Democrats act on the border, abandoned the compromise proposal at the behest of Donald Trump who saw it was a political “gift” for Biden’s re-election chances.

 

 

The problem is at the top of the house. 

[changegonnacome]

26 minutes ago, LC said:

The problem is at the top of the house. 

 

I dont think thats true - philosophically something went very wrong re: securing our borders with the DNC in the last term.....now I've got a pet theory that what looked like incompetence with Biden/Harris....was actually a pillar of their disinflation plan twinned with the wokeness oppressor/oppressed lens that seemed infect the DNC.....but anyway flooding the country with incremental low cost illegal labor post-COVID seemed like a good idea I'm sure as services inflation was through the roof......maybe I'm giving them too much credit....either way they we're wrong, very wrong....immigrants disproportionally head for major cities due to existing contact networks....and given that the inelasticity of housing is most acute in cities....well you get this insane housing shortages/pricing increases/homelessness......I dont like the methods of Trump but the flow had to be dialed down.....there's a level of immigration that is virtuous & benefits us all I'm not sure what that level is but it wasn't what was happening in the Biden/Harris era. they got this VERY wrong and Trump has showed that a little illegal immigration theatre can go a long way to stemming the flow of migrants.....you can argue Biden/Harris's hand we're tied and they tried getting the comprehensive reform done on a bipartisan basis which is true.....but alot of what Trump is doing now (not the ilegal stuff) really was available to Harris/Biden and as I said alot of whats happening with Trump is theatre....effective nonetheless for a migrant sitting in country X wondering if the risk reward is good for undertaking a trip to the US.

[LC]

3 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

you can argue Biden/Harris's hand we're tied and they tried getting the comprehensive reform done on a bipartisan basis which is true.....but alot of what Trump is doing now (not the ilegal stuff) really was available to Harris/Biden

 

The point is we could've had a good solution 18 months ago, versus an unconstitutional solution today. 

 

We got the unconstitutional solution because Trump didn't want anyone else to get credit for solving the problem, and he threatened everyone he could to ensure it went his way. 

 

When someone like that is in charge, bad outcomes are the result. 

[Sweet]

2 hours ago, changegonnacome said:

 

The standard a Grand Jury is asked to measure things by is probable cause.....about the lowest bar in the criminal justice system.....

 

Then you get on to the structure of a Grand Jury - it only hears the prosecutions case no other side....there's a reason that folks commonly say that you can get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich....the scales are tipped so strongly in the prosecutors side. Having said all that....ham sandwhich talk.....Pamela Anderson Trump's recently appointment attorney actually one of her three indictment thrown out....quite unusual for Grand Jury given all I've said above.

Contrary to your claim it wasn’t Trump who dreamed up the indictments.  There were 23 jurors, likely selected from a Democrat dominated areas, that by majority somehow thought there was merit in the case.  And you can bet that a good number of them probably hate Trump with a passion.

[Sweet]

2 hours ago, LC said:

 

Republicans, who have repeatedly demanded Democrats act on the border, abandoned the compromise proposal at the behest of Donald Trump who saw it was a political “gift” for Biden’s re-election chances

LOL,  why would the GOP give the Democrats a win on that, potentially undermine their election chances, and even worse, undermine their ability to enact much stricter measures.  

The Dems shot themselves in the foot when they immediately overturned Trump’s border policies which ended up flooding the country with illegals and desperately wanted a deal.  
 

A deal which would have allowed a quota of something like 1.5 million illegals a year (4,000 a day) before ‘stronger’ measures kicked in, and a deal which didn’t even promise to deport all the illegals.

 

Edited September 29, 2025 by Sweet

[changegonnacome]

1 hour ago, LC said:

The point is we could've had a good solution 18 months ago, versus an unconstitutional solution today. 

 

i think your letting Biden/Harris off very lightly - sure I applaud bipartisanship bills and all that and it was the correct thing to attempt....but before that and then after it failed....what was clear was Biden/Harris admin lacked the will and political courage to act on the problem and we ended up in no small part with Trump because of it.....whats the phrase perfect is the enemy of the good....a bipartisan bill on immigration would have been perfect....but it didn't happen and we got Trump instead