Coronavirus

[Liberty]

Magical thinking:

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/15/trump-downplays-need-for-coronavirus-vaccine-itll-go-away-at-some-point.html

 

President Trump said the U.S. will overcome the coronavirus crisis with or without an effective vaccine, saying that the disease will “go away at some point” either way.

 

“If we don’t, we’re going to be like so many other cases where you had a problem come in, it’ll go away at some point, it’ll go away,” Trump said.

 

Trump’s remarks downplaying the need for a vaccine came at an event unveiling his administration’s beefed-up efforts to fast-track the development and distribution of a vaccine for Covid-19.

[ERICOPOLY]

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

 

Liberty to drive a car, but not when drinking or speeding and endangering the Life of another.

Liberty to enter a public space, but not during a period of pandemic without wearing a mask and maintaining the recommended social distance from others.

 

Why is this so hard to accept?  I keep seeing tons of people in places such as the grocery store without a mask.

 

You are entitled to your freedom.

You are not entitled to infringe on the freedom of others.

 

Driving a car is a privilege, not a right. A shop owner should be allowed to stay open. The individual will decide whether or not to enter. This isn't difficult.

 

Why is a business license required if it is a right and not a privilege?  Can the Health Department suspend a license for business?  If so, then it's a flimsy 'right' at best.

 

Covid-19 is a public health risk.  Masks are the mitigation; play ball or be shut down.

 

No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service.

[Castanza]

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

 

Liberty to drive a car, but not when drinking or speeding and endangering the Life of another.

Liberty to enter a public space, but not during a period of pandemic without wearing a mask and maintaining the recommended social distance from others.

 

Why is this so hard to accept?  I keep seeing tons of people in places such as the grocery store without a mask.

 

You are entitled to your freedom.

You are not entitled to infringe on the freedom of others.

 

Driving a car is a privilege, not a right. A shop owner should be allowed to stay open. The individual will decide whether or not to enter. This isn't difficult.

 

Why is a business license required if it is a right and not a privilege?  Can the Health Department suspend a license for business?  If so, then it's a flimsy 'right' at best.

 

Covid-19 is a public health risk.  Masks are the mitigation; play ball or be shut down.

 

No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service.

 

Al Capone "play ball or be shut down"

 

 

[ERICOPOLY]

Five sailors on the U.S. aircraft carrier sidelined in Guam due to a COVID-19 outbreak have tested positive for the virus for the second time and have been taken off the ship, according to the Navy.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/2020-05-15-coronavirus-news-n1207106/ncrd1208141#liveBlogHeader

 

 

Then this from an overrated physician turned politician (those who can't do, legislate?):

 

"I have immunity. I've already had the virus, so I can't get it again and I can't give it to anybody," Paul, R-Ky., told reporters, referring to his March diagnosis. "I can't get it again, nor can I transmit. So of all the people you'll meet here, I'm about the only safe person in Washington."

 

https://news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-forgoes-mask-claims-215100615.html

[John Hjorth]

Five sailors on the U.S. aircraft carrier sidelined in Guam due to a COVID-19 outbreak have tested positive for the virus for the second time and have been taken off the ship, according to the Navy.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/2020-05-15-coronavirus-news-n1207106/ncrd1208141#liveBlogHeader

 

 

Then this from an overrated physician turned politician (those who can't do, legislate?):

 

"I have immunity. I've already had the virus, so I can't get it again and I can't give it to anybody," Paul, R-Ky., told reporters, referring to his March diagnosis. "I can't get it again, nor can I transmit. So of all the people you'll meet here, I'm about the only safe person in Washington."

 

https://news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-forgoes-mask-claims-215100615.html

 

Thank you for a hilarious post, ERICOPOLY,

 

Somehow I think of it as token of :

 

1. You live in a representative democracy [, at least somehow],

 

combined with :

 

2. Ignorance & stupidity is still alive & kicking everywhere around the world.

[Guest cherzeca]

Five sailors on the U.S. aircraft carrier sidelined in Guam due to a COVID-19 outbreak have tested positive for the virus for the second time and have been taken off the ship, according to the Navy.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/2020-05-15-coronavirus-news-n1207106/ncrd1208141#liveBlogHeader

 

 

Then this from an overrated physician turned politician (those who can't do, legislate?):

 

"I have immunity. I've already had the virus, so I can't get it again and I can't give it to anybody," Paul, R-Ky., told reporters, referring to his March diagnosis. "I can't get it again, nor can I transmit. So of all the people you'll meet here, I'm about the only safe person in Washington."

 

https://news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-forgoes-mask-claims-215100615.html

 

the second positive test results from remaining virus dna in blood.  best view (yes, not "proven") is that just like other cornonaviruses, immunity lasts for a year to two years

[Liberty]

This looks pretty bad:

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/stanford-coronavirus-neeleman-ioannidis-whistleblower

[LongHaul]

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

 

Liberty to drive a car, but not when drinking or speeding and endangering the Life of another.

Liberty to enter a public space, but not during a period of pandemic without wearing a mask and maintaining the recommended social distance from others.

 

Why is this so hard to accept?  I keep seeing tons of people in places such as the grocery store without a mask.

 

You are entitled to your freedom.

You are not entitled to infringe on the freedom of others.

 

Driving a car is a privilege, not a right. A shop owner should be allowed to stay open. The individual will decide whether or not to enter. This isn't difficult.

 

I would make the analogy: someone with a gun that is allowed to shoot the gun around randomly and if he happens to kill someone so what.  One could make the case that if you don't like the risk just stay inside. 

 

There are essentially 2 realistic choices:

1.  No Mandatory masks and many more people die and the economy goes to crap.

2.  Mandatory mask wearing: and many more people live and the economy is much better.

 

I don't think it's right that society is creating an unsafe environment for the vast majority by allowing people to just not wear masks.

Also it is a very costly path to not have mandatory masks.

 

 

 

 

[Gregmal]

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

 

Liberty to drive a car, but not when drinking or speeding and endangering the Life of another.

Liberty to enter a public space, but not during a period of pandemic without wearing a mask and maintaining the recommended social distance from others.

 

Why is this so hard to accept?  I keep seeing tons of people in places such as the grocery store without a mask.

 

You are entitled to your freedom.

You are not entitled to infringe on the freedom of others.

 

Driving a car is a privilege, not a right. A shop owner should be allowed to stay open. The individual will decide whether or not to enter. This isn't difficult.

 

I would make the analogy: someone with a gun that is allowed to shoot the gun around randomly and if he happens to kill someone so what.  One could make the case that if you don't like the risk just stay inside. 

 

There are essentially 2 realistic choices:

1.  No Mandatory masks and many more people die and the economy goes to crap.

2.  Mandatory mask wearing: and many more people live and the economy is much better.

 

I don't think it's right that society is creating an unsafe environment for the vast majority by allowing people to just not wear masks.

Also it is a very costly path to not have mandatory masks.

 

Oh no, I agree. Im totally in the wear a mask camp. Was just referring to the forced business closures. Most of the businesses Ive seen that are open have mandatory mask policies anyway.

[Spekulatius]

In this, the expert  article, also referring to the now famous church coir incident, He estimates  that:

~50% transmission are due to aerosols , risk factors:  closed areas with bad air circulation and many people on it, speaking and even worse singing

40% larger droplets

10% smear/touch

 

So hand washing may not help that much. Mask helps some, but only N95 helps against aerosols. Staying and meeting other folks outside is probably best. The Church cases are intriguing. One infected person in a large room could infect 30 s with just one exposure. The fact that singing apparently lead to more aerosol emission is likely a contributing factor. This is all a bit speculative, but it does make sense.

https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/covid-19-belastete-troepfchen-machen-geschlossene-raeume-zu-infektionsherden-a-7522885d-7553-4acc-ac5d-ac603552ed06

https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them

[Investor20]

This looks pretty bad:

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/stanford-coronavirus-neeleman-ioannidis-whistleblower

 

Liberty, I am not sure what sounds bad.

 

In this times while the world is shut down, a test that takes $200K, a professor from Stanford had to take 5000$ to do the test which everyone agrees needs to be done?

 

They didn't have any funds from the 2 trillion dollars to do the study?  The plan was to keep making decisions without knowing the real extent of spread and who is getting how much? That is what sounds bad.

 

Many studies (and I posted recently on this) confirmed Stanford result. The studies confirmed the Stanford study results,  that there are lot of asymptomatic carriers and the infection fatality rate is much lower than thought before.  The buzzfeed is an attack article because it fails to mention I believe a dozen more studies done since then by different teams across world, many of them are reputed hospitals or professors.  Buzzfeed "forgets" to mention this and goes on attacking a scientist for doing his job which frankly, the task force should have done long back.

 

We are really going back to Galileos times attacking the scientist rather than looking at the result and its confirmation in multiple studies and its consequences of this new information.

 

This attitude of Buzzfeed can take us to medieval ages and it is really shameful article.

[Investor20]

Five sailors on the U.S. aircraft carrier sidelined in Guam due to a COVID-19 outbreak have tested positive for the virus for the second time and have been taken off the ship, according to the Navy.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/2020-05-15-coronavirus-news-n1207106/ncrd1208141#liveBlogHeader

 

 

Then this from an overrated physician turned politician (those who can't do, legislate?):

 

"I have immunity. I've already had the virus, so I can't get it again and I can't give it to anybody," Paul, R-Ky., told reporters, referring to his March diagnosis. "I can't get it again, nor can I transmit. So of all the people you'll meet here, I'm about the only safe person in Washington."

 

https://news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-forgoes-mask-claims-215100615.html

 

Eric, in the Senate hearing, Dr. Fauci seemed upbeat about Vaccines, talking about "multiple winners".

 

But if there is re-infection of already infected people there won't be a vaccine. 

 

Is Dr. Fauci wrong. There won't be vaccines?

 

Beyond Vaccines, if as Dr. Fauci says the infection will come back in fall, what is the plan?

 

Is the plan is to go through several cycles of lockdown and then if there is no vaccine, then get to herd immunity?

 

 

[Spekulatius]

The Ohio Prison stats seem to indicate a mortality rate of  0.9% (4321 tested positive, 43 died), allürisoner tested apparently, so that a true rate.

 

The Anti study (N=300) that inferred about 15% of the population had the virus inferred a 0.75% fatality rate.

 

The recent Spanish antibody study estimates that 5% had COVID-19. so that’s 47M x0.05=2.35M infected and with 27.5k dead, that‘s a ~1.1% mortality rate. All those mortality rate are likely to go up because of the long tail of morbidity. The results vary of course but I think ~0.8% is a good estimate for the time being.

 

Some countries are doing much better than which gives me hope. The 0.15% of the Stanford study is likely due to erroneous results skewed by false positives.

 

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/spanish-antibody-study-points/

 

[Investor20]

The Ohio Prison stats seem to indicate a mortality rate of  0.9% (4321 tested positive, 43 died), allürisoner tested apparently, so that a true rate.

 

The Anti study (N=300) that inferred about 15% of the population had the virus inferred a 0.75% fatality rate.

 

The recent Spanish antibody study estimates that 5% had COVID-19. so that’s 47M x0.05=2.35M infected and with 27.5k dead, that‘s a ~1.1% mortality rate. All those mortality rate are likely to go up because of the long tail of morbidity. The results vary of course but I think ~0.8% is a good estimate for the time being.

 

Some countries are doing much better than which gives me hope. The 0.15% of the Stanford study is likely due to erroneous results skewed by false positives.

 

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/spanish-antibody-study-points/

 

Its true there are different numbers coming from different places.

 

Miami-Dade

The preliminary results imply an infection fatality rate of 0.2 percent, similar to estimates from two California studies.

https://reason.com/2020/04/26/miami-dade-antibody-tests-suggests-covid-19-infections-exceed-confirmed-cases-by-a-factor-of-16/

 

New York:

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/04/23/governor-cuomo-daily-coronavirus-update-with-first-antibody-test-results

That would indicate a statewide death rate of about 0.5 percent.

 

Denmark: a combined IFR in patients younger than 70 is estimated at 82 per 100,000

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20075291v1

82 in 100,000 would be 0.082%

 

Germany:

In Gangelt, the IFR after the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak is 0.37 percent,"

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-team-covid-infection-fatality.html

 

The MLB study published by same Stanford team had zero fatalities with 5000+ samples.

Zero IFR with that sample or too small sample of 5000+?  They also had low infection rate of 0.7%.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/athletics/article/MLB-antibody-study-7-percent-exposed-to-15260314.php

 

Its true if you look at Bronx, Spain or Italy, the IFR may be high.  Santa Clara or Miami, the IFR are lower. It may be a reflection of local demographics to how much the hospitals are overwhelmed.

 

[meiroy]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-16/a-104-year-old-south-korean-woman-recovers-from-coronavirus?utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business

 

A 104-Year-Old South Korean Woman Recovers From Coronavirus

 

Woo!

[samwise]

 

This does not mean that virus is actively shedding from 70-80% of ROW. So, yeah Oz, NZ can live in their bubble by testing everyone who comes into the country. It's not that high load on testing. Admit people who test negative, kick out the ones who test positive, and track or quarantine everyone who enters for incubation period. Is that impossible for them to do long term (3+ years)?

 

Edit: I guess tourism would be mostly screwed though.

 

Yes not 70% are shedding, but a few, or one is enough to restart the fire.

 

Can they keep it up for 3 years? Maybe it’s possible. We can all have our opinions on this. There isn’t really any evidence unless you want to count how many people can stick to a healthy diet.

[meiroy]

https://www.thelocal.at/20200516/austrias-cafes-and-restaurants-reopen-after-coronavirus-lockdown?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

Austria's cafes and restaurants reopen after coronavirus lockdown

 

Yay!

[Investor20]

The Ohio Prison stats seem to indicate a mortality rate of  0.9% (4321 tested positive, 43 died), allürisoner tested apparently, so that a true rate.

 

The Anti study (N=300) that inferred about 15% of the population had the virus inferred a 0.75% fatality rate.

 

The recent Spanish antibody study estimates that 5% had COVID-19. so that’s 47M x0.05=2.35M infected and with 27.5k dead, that‘s a ~1.1% mortality rate. All those mortality rate are likely to go up because of the long tail of morbidity. The results vary of course but I think ~0.8% is a good estimate for the time being.

 

Some countries are doing much better than which gives me hope. The 0.15% of the Stanford study is likely due to erroneous results skewed by false positives.

 

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/spanish-antibody-study-points/

 

I am not sure which prison data you are referring to.  Here are some samples

 

https://www.inquirer.com/news/coronavirus-testing-montgomery-county-jail-asymptomatic-philadelphia-prisons-20200428.html

Montgomery County’s jail tested every inmate for COVID-19 — and found 30 times more cases than previously known

"171 of those positive inmates exhibited no symptoms at the time their tests were administered."

 

They had 177 test positive of which 171 asympatomatic again confirming Stanford study that there are many asymptomatic cases. Its just that all countries test only with symptoms that we have high CFR.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/25/coronavirus-testing-prisons-reveals-hidden-asymptomatic-infections/3003307001/

Mass virus testing in state prisons reveals hidden asymptomatic infections; feds join effort

More than 90% of the newly diagnosed inmates displayed no symptoms,

 

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-prisons-asymptomatic-8daaaa08-b53e-4368-adb7-88b7d93efece.html

96% of nearly 3,300 inmates with coronavirus were asymptomatic, survey shows

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-prisons-testing-in/in-four-u-s-state-prisons-nearly-3300-inmates-test-positive-for-coronavirus-96-without-symptoms-idUSKCN2270RX

Of the 2,028 who tested positive, close to 95% had no symptoms.

 

I can go on...but the primary conclusion of Stanford study that when we are calculating case fatality rate after testing mostly symptomatic suspected patients, we are missing a lot of asymptomatic infected carriers which would give much smaller IFR.

 

The WHO said 3.5% CFR with low asymptomatic rate which would make 3.5% IFR. WHO still says there are very few asymptomatic covid infected and never updated the 3.5% CFR.

 

So, the prison data infact does support Stanford findings.

[clutch]

On Sweden

[Investor20]

 

"Even if you died of a clear alternate cause but you had COVID at the same time it's still listed as a COVID death."

 

Illinois' Public Health Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike says people are listed as a coronavirus death even if they died of alternative causes.

[Spekulatius]

The Ohio Prison stats seem to indicate a mortality rate of  0.9% (4321 tested positive, 43 died), allürisoner tested apparently, so that a true rate.

 

The Anti study (N=300) that inferred about 15% of the population had the virus inferred a 0.75% fatality rate.

 

The recent Spanish antibody study estimates that 5% had COVID-19. so that’s 47M x0.05=2.35M infected and with 27.5k dead, that‘s a ~1.1% mortality rate. All those mortality rate are likely to go up because of the long tail of morbidity. The results vary of course but I think ~0.8% is a good estimate for the time being.

 

Some countries are doing much better than which gives me hope. The 0.15% of the Stanford study is likely due to erroneous results skewed by false positives.

 

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/spanish-antibody-study-points/

 

I am not sure which prison data you are referring to.  Here are some samples

 

https://www.inquirer.com/news/coronavirus-testing-montgomery-county-jail-asymptomatic-philadelphia-prisons-20200428.html

Montgomery County’s jail tested every inmate for COVID-19 — and found 30 times more cases than previously known

"171 of those positive inmates exhibited no symptoms at the time their tests were administered."

 

They had 177 test positive of which 171 asympatomatic again confirming Stanford study that there are many asymptomatic cases. Its just that all countries test only with symptoms that we have high CFR.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/25/coronavirus-testing-prisons-reveals-hidden-asymptomatic-infections/3003307001/

Mass virus testing in state prisons reveals hidden asymptomatic infections; feds join effort

More than 90% of the newly diagnosed inmates displayed no symptoms,

 

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-prisons-asymptomatic-8daaaa08-b53e-4368-adb7-88b7d93efece.html

96% of nearly 3,300 inmates with coronavirus were asymptomatic, survey shows

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-prisons-testing-in/in-four-u-s-state-prisons-nearly-3300-inmates-test-positive-for-coronavirus-96-without-symptoms-idUSKCN2270RX

Of the 2,028 who tested positive, close to 95% had no symptoms.

 

I can go on...but the primary conclusion of Stanford study that when we are calculating case fatality rate after testing mostly symptomatic suspected patients, we are missing a lot of asymptomatic infected carriers which would give much smaller IFR.

 

The WHO said 3.5% CFR with low asymptomatic rate which would make 3.5% IFR. WHO still says there are very few asymptomatic covid infected and never updated the 3.5% CFR.

 

So, the prison data infact does support Stanford findings.

 

I am referring to Ohio prison data. Pundits mention that 95% were asymptotic (which means exactly what with prisoners), but they still have around a 1% fatality rate. So ~20% of the symptomic prisoners died.

[Investor20]

The Ohio Prison stats seem to indicate a mortality rate of  0.9% (4321 tested positive, 43 died), allürisoner tested apparently, so that a true rate.

 

The Anti study (N=300) that inferred about 15% of the population had the virus inferred a 0.75% fatality rate.

 

The recent Spanish antibody study estimates that 5% had COVID-19. so that’s 47M x0.05=2.35M infected and with 27.5k dead, that‘s a ~1.1% mortality rate. All those mortality rate are likely to go up because of the long tail of morbidity. The results vary of course but I think ~0.8% is a good estimate for the time being.

 

Some countries are doing much better than which gives me hope. The 0.15% of the Stanford study is likely due to erroneous results skewed by false positives.

 

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/spanish-antibody-study-points/

 

I am not sure which prison data you are referring to.  Here are some samples

 

https://www.inquirer.com/news/coronavirus-testing-montgomery-county-jail-asymptomatic-philadelphia-prisons-20200428.html

Montgomery County’s jail tested every inmate for COVID-19 — and found 30 times more cases than previously known

"171 of those positive inmates exhibited no symptoms at the time their tests were administered."

 

They had 177 test positive of which 171 asympatomatic again confirming Stanford study that there are many asymptomatic cases. Its just that all countries test only with symptoms that we have high CFR.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/25/coronavirus-testing-prisons-reveals-hidden-asymptomatic-infections/3003307001/

Mass virus testing in state prisons reveals hidden asymptomatic infections; feds join effort

More than 90% of the newly diagnosed inmates displayed no symptoms,

 

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-prisons-asymptomatic-8daaaa08-b53e-4368-adb7-88b7d93efece.html

96% of nearly 3,300 inmates with coronavirus were asymptomatic, survey shows

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-prisons-testing-in/in-four-u-s-state-prisons-nearly-3300-inmates-test-positive-for-coronavirus-96-without-symptoms-idUSKCN2270RX

Of the 2,028 who tested positive, close to 95% had no symptoms.

 

I can go on...but the primary conclusion of Stanford study that when we are calculating case fatality rate after testing mostly symptomatic suspected patients, we are missing a lot of asymptomatic infected carriers which would give much smaller IFR.

 

The WHO said 3.5% CFR with low asymptomatic rate which would make 3.5% IFR. WHO still says there are very few asymptomatic covid infected and never updated the 3.5% CFR.

 

So, the prison data infact does support Stanford findings.

 

I am referring to Ohio prison data. Pundits mention that 95% were asymptotic (which means exactly what with prisoners), but they still have around a 1% fatality rate. So ~20% of the symptomic prisoners died.

 

I am not sure which prison you are mentioning.

 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/continuing-coverage/coronavirus/nearly-80-of-inmates-have-covid-19-at-two-ohio-prisons

 

At Marion Correctional Institution, 2,011 inmates of about 2,500 at the facility have tested positive for COVID-19, two of whom have died, as of Wednesday.

 

At Pickaway Correctional Institution, 1,555 inmates of roughly 2,000 inside are infected. Ten inmates have died from COVID-19, as of Tuesday

 

The two prisons house inmates at higher risk to complications from COVID-19, the respiratory disease caused by the new coronavirus.

 

A state prisons spokeswoman said Wednesday that Marion houses “a high number” of older individuals, many of whom have pre-existing health conditions.

 

Pickaway houses the prisons’ long term care center, similar to a nursing home.

 

So lets say they are both worst case scenarios for prisons. 

 

Total 12 died out of 3566 (2011 at Marion + 1555 at Pickaway) gives 0.3%.

 

These are two correctional facilities in Ohio of older people with pre-existing conditions.

 

 

[Investor20]

The Ohio Prison stats seem to indicate a mortality rate of  0.9% (4321 tested positive, 43 died), allürisoner tested apparently, so that a true rate.

 

The Anti study (N=300) that inferred about 15% of the population had the virus inferred a 0.75% fatality rate.

 

The recent Spanish antibody study estimates that 5% had COVID-19. so that’s 47M x0.05=2.35M infected and with 27.5k dead, that‘s a ~1.1% mortality rate. All those mortality rate are likely to go up because of the long tail of morbidity. The results vary of course but I think ~0.8% is a good estimate for the time being.

 

Some countries are doing much better than which gives me hope. The 0.15% of the Stanford study is likely due to erroneous results skewed by false positives.

 

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/spanish-antibody-study-points/

 

I am not sure which prison data you are referring to.  Here are some samples

 

https://www.inquirer.com/news/coronavirus-testing-montgomery-county-jail-asymptomatic-philadelphia-prisons-20200428.html

Montgomery County’s jail tested every inmate for COVID-19 — and found 30 times more cases than previously known

"171 of those positive inmates exhibited no symptoms at the time their tests were administered."

 

They had 177 test positive of which 171 asympatomatic again confirming Stanford study that there are many asymptomatic cases. Its just that all countries test only with symptoms that we have high CFR.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/25/coronavirus-testing-prisons-reveals-hidden-asymptomatic-infections/3003307001/

Mass virus testing in state prisons reveals hidden asymptomatic infections; feds join effort

More than 90% of the newly diagnosed inmates displayed no symptoms,

 

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-prisons-asymptomatic-8daaaa08-b53e-4368-adb7-88b7d93efece.html

96% of nearly 3,300 inmates with coronavirus were asymptomatic, survey shows

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-prisons-testing-in/in-four-u-s-state-prisons-nearly-3300-inmates-test-positive-for-coronavirus-96-without-symptoms-idUSKCN2270RX

Of the 2,028 who tested positive, close to 95% had no symptoms.

 

I can go on...but the primary conclusion of Stanford study that when we are calculating case fatality rate after testing mostly symptomatic suspected patients, we are missing a lot of asymptomatic infected carriers which would give much smaller IFR.

 

The WHO said 3.5% CFR with low asymptomatic rate which would make 3.5% IFR. WHO still says there are very few asymptomatic covid infected and never updated the 3.5% CFR.

 

So, the prison data infact does support Stanford findings.

 

I am referring to Ohio prison data. Pundits mention that 95% were asymptotic (which means exactly what with prisoners), but they still have around a 1% fatality rate. So ~20% of the symptomic prisoners died.

 

I am not sure which prison you are mentioning.

 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/continuing-coverage/coronavirus/nearly-80-of-inmates-have-covid-19-at-two-ohio-prisons

 

At Marion Correctional Institution, 2,011 inmates of about 2,500 at the facility have tested positive for COVID-19, two of whom have died, as of Wednesday.

 

At Pickaway Correctional Institution, 1,555 inmates of roughly 2,000 inside are infected. Ten inmates have died from COVID-19, as of Tuesday

 

The two prisons house inmates at higher risk to complications from COVID-19, the respiratory disease caused by the new coronavirus.

 

A state prisons spokeswoman said Wednesday that Marion houses “a high number” of older individuals, many of whom have pre-existing health conditions.

 

Pickaway houses the prisons’ long term care center, similar to a nursing home.

 

So lets say they are both worst case scenarios for prisons. 

 

Total 12 died out of 3566 (2011 at Marion + 1555 at Pickaway) gives 0.3%.

 

These are two correctional facilities in Ohio of older people with pre-existing conditions.

 

Updating with recent deaths at Marion and Pickaway:

 

https://www.daily-jeff.com/news/20200516/lawsuit-seeks-release-of-15000-plus-ohio-inmates-amid-coronavirus-outbreak

including 14 at Marion and 35 at Pickaway, which houses the prison equivalent of a nursing home for chronically ill and older inmates.

 

Taking (14+35)/3566 gives 1.4% for prison inmates "equivalent of a nursing home for chronically ill and older inmates" in Ohio.

[Liberty]

https://www.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-940b-11ea-abcd-371e24b679ed

 

When the history is written of how America handled the global era’s first real pandemic, March 6 will leap out of the timeline. That was the day Donald Trump visited the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.

 

Read whole thing...

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HCC:

 

Trump’s mindset became increasingly surreal. He began to tout hydroxychloroquine as a cure for Covid-19. On March 19, at a regular televised briefing, which he conducted daily for five weeks, often rambling for more than two hours, he depicted the antimalarial drug as a potential magic bullet. It could be “one of the biggest game-changers in the history of medicine”, he later tweeted.

 

The president’s leap of faith, which was inspired by Fox News anchors, notably Laura Ingraham, and his lawyer Rudy Giuliani, none of whom have a medical background, turned Washington’s bureaucracy upside down. Scientists who demurred were punished. In April, Rick Bright, the federal scientist in charge of developing a vaccine – arguably the most urgent role in government – was removed after blocking efforts to promote hydroxychloroquine.

 

Most clinical trials have shown the drug has no positive impact on Covid-19 patients and can harm people with heart problems. “I was pressured to let politics and cronyism drive decisions over the opinions of the best scientists we have in government,” Bright said in a statement.

 

In a whistleblower complaint, he said he was pressured to send millions of dollars worth of contracts to a company controlled by a friend of Jared Kushner. When he refused, he was fired. The US Department of Health and Human Services denied Bright’s allegations.

 

Other scientists have taken note of Bright’s fate. During the Ebola outbreak in 2014, when Obama’s administration sent 3,000 US military personnel to Africa to fight the epidemic, the CDC held a daily briefing about the state of progress. It has not held one since early March. Scientists across Washington are terrified of saying anything that contradicts Trump.

 

“The way to keep your job is to out-loyal everyone else, which means you have to tolerate quackery,” says Anthony Scaramucci, an estranged former Trump adviser, who was briefly his White House head of communications. “You have to flatter him in public and flatter him in private. Above all, you must never make him feel ignorant.”

 

...

 

“I can’t even get my calls returned,” says Garrett. “The CDC has led the response to every disease for decades. Now it has vanished from view.” A former senior Trump official says: “People turn into wusses around Trump. If you stand up to him, you’ll never get back in. What you see in public is what you get in private. He is exactly the same.”

 

What a terrible way to run anything, much less a large-scale medical-scientific public-health emergency.