Coronavirus

[KCLarkin]

After nearly 600 pages of handwashing, mask wearing, social distancing pictures, graphs, contact tracers, studies, data, etc Im absolutely floored there isnt more outrage about the mass protests in this thread.

 

The protesters seem to be wearing masks and using hand sanitizer, so not sure what your point is. Are you suggesting we continue to tolerate violent, systematic racism? Or are you just advocating for us to "let 'er rip"?

 

Let 'er rip has failed in every country that has tried it: Sweden, UK, Brazil, US (unintentionally).

[Read the Footnotes]

After nearly 600 pages of handwashing, mask wearing, social distancing pictures, graphs, contact tracers, studies, data, etc Im absolutely floored there isnt more outrage about the mass protests in this thread.

This thread is full of people who have pointed out at length the presidents faults in dealing with the virus. These protests and mass gatherings are organized by groups in opposition to the man who said the virus was a joke.

Where is the outrage! Liberty has contributed hundreds of twitters links about the virus, mask wearing, hand washing, social distancing rules etc. He must be beside himself.

i have a question (not so medical) for you:

Given the next hypothetical case, out of the possibilities, which would you put on the first line of the death certificate?

Listed randomly:

-fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use

-partially blocked coronary arteries

-COVID+

-partial obliteration of trachea due to an extrinsic knee cap

 

Personally, i would put decaying culture as the main cause of death and perhaps that would trigger a call from a health authority but it would also go a long way in explaining the current state of affairs.

Sadly, this is a very good question.

 

I think it's a good assumption that members of this board are above average intelligence, reasonably well educated successful people with many advantages in life. Many members of this board have had difficulty understanding an appropriate response to the Pandemic. Ill informed message board and social media participants, disinformation, and politicians behaving like psychopaths have made communication of good information more difficult.

 

If we have had clueless people on this board, image how clueless the least among us must be. Imagine how dangerous the interactions of the least among us with police must be right now. The mentally ill and people experiencing drug induced psychosis quickly come to mind.

 

It is also sad to see almost no police using masks, face shields or gloves. Of course, they could be doing that so they don't look like the secret police, which I really appreciate, but wearing masks is a sign to everyone in the community that these are not normal times. A reminder that we could all benefit from. It's much better to just wear a mask than have to return to our homes.

[clutch]

After nearly 600 pages of handwashing, mask wearing, social distancing pictures, graphs, contact tracers, studies, data, etc Im absolutely floored there isnt more outrage about the mass protests in this thread.

 

The protesters seem to be wearing masks and using hand sanitizer, so not sure what your point is.

 

Why not open up everything then? We can all wear masks and use hand sanitizer just like the protesters and it would be safe!

[LongHaul]

It's worse (or perhaps simply more ironic) than that.  If you take these feckless politicians at their word, they are (a) encouraging the protests, which according to their own logic will result in additional deaths from Covid but (b) decrying the rioting which has resulted in massive property damage primarily. Think about it.  What they are saying is that the cause (social justice, ending racism, etc.) trumps lives but not property!!  These morons couldn't logic their way out of a paper bag.  They are human mobius strips.

 

Who exactly encourages the protests and the property damage (which was done by looters not protesters)? The protests are unfortunate, but they were not organized by any party and they are not Trump’s fault either.

 

He just poured gasoline on them by sending the national guard and the tweeting stuff like “after looting comes the shooting”, which surely didn’t help.

 

Indeed,

 

Trump is not the leader America needs in tough times. Below is the Robert F. Kennedy speech which is worth a listen in times like this.

 

 

That was one of the best speeches I have every heard in my life.  Thank You so much for posting. 

Just amazing.

[KCLarkin]

Why not open up everything then? We can all wear masks and use hand sanitizer just like the protesters and it would be safe!

 

I won't engage in your bad faith arguments. I never said masks and hand sanitizer make mass protests safe*.

 

 

* Though it is a bit insane that the U.S. and Canada refuse to mandate masks, when every country that with mandatory masking has controlled the pandemic.

 

 

[clutch]

Why not open up everything then? We can all wear masks and use hand sanitizer just like the protesters and it would be safe!

 

I won't engage in your bad faith arguments. I never said masks and hand sanitizer make mass protests safe.

 

Ok, back to good faith argument --

 

I remember you saying that millions potentially dying of COVID is horrible.

These protests, while intended for a good cause, surely increases the chance of more people dying due to COVID.

 

So how do you weigh the balance?

 

In general, is this how the left in the US weigh things? (based on my observations)

Systematic racism > Public health > Economy and freedom

 

[mcliu]

If we can have safe mass protests, it’s probably time to just open things up and require face masks and hand sanitizer. Especially if a second wave is inevitable anyways.

[LC]

If we can have safe mass protests, it’s probably time to just open things up and require face masks and hand sanitizer. Especially if a second wave is inevitable anyways.

 

Agree. But to be fair not a lot of elderly (most at-risk COVID group) are protesting, at least from what I've seen

[orthopa]

After nearly 600 pages of handwashing, mask wearing, social distancing pictures, graphs, contact tracers, studies, data, etc Im absolutely floored there isnt more outrage about the mass protests in this thread.

This thread is full of people who have pointed out at length the presidents faults in dealing with the virus. These protests and mass gatherings are organized by groups in opposition to the man who said the virus was a joke.

Where is the outrage! Liberty has contributed hundreds of twitters links about the virus, mask wearing, hand washing, social distancing rules etc. He must be beside himself.

i have a question (not so medical) for you:

Given the next hypothetical case, out of the possibilities, which would you put on the first line of the death certificate?

Listed randomly:

-fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use

-partially blocked coronary arteries

-COVID+

-partial obliteration of trachea due to an extrinsic knee cap

 

Personally, i would put decaying culture as the main cause of death and perhaps that would trigger a call from a health authority but it would also go a long way in explaining the current state of affairs.

 

I dont know. I just cant believe what we are seeing after the dicussions we have had on this thread and why no one is pissed/scared or a mix of the two.

[orthopa]

After nearly 600 pages of handwashing, mask wearing, social distancing pictures, graphs, contact tracers, studies, data, etc Im absolutely floored there isnt more outrage about the mass protests in this thread.

 

The protesters seem to be wearing masks and using hand sanitizer, so not sure what your point is. Are you suggesting we continue to tolerate violent, systematic racism? Or are you just advocating for us to "let 'er rip"?

 

Let 'er rip has failed in every country that has tried it: Sweden, UK, Brazil, US (unintentionally).

 

Not sure what my point is? Were you not just arguing that the virus is a minimum 4x deadlier then the flu and that any narrative otherwise is dangerous? You have to be angry as hell these people  are playing with fire like this.

 

Secondly what does racism have to do with a pandemic? This thread has been about the pandemic and you have argued very heavily in favor of great caution and the severity of the disease.

[cwericb]

It is rather ironic that if you intend to break the law, its a great time to wear a mask.

 

Over the next couple of weeks should we expect to see a spike in Covid due to the mass protests?

Or will the warmer weather offset the effects of the large gatherings.

 

Predictions?

 

Based on your criticism of the President and how he handled the virus you must be losing your mind watching all of these mass protests. Remember when he wouldnt send masks to Canada? Seeing these mass protests with thousands huddled together must be driving you nuts!

 

Not sure what point you are trying to make?

 

What is has the fact that Trump attempted to steal Canadian owned masks got to do with the protests?

 

I simply posed the question: Should we expect a spike in COVID in a couple of weeks or will the warmer weather have an effect? I also note that many of the protestors were wearing masks, so might this combined with the warmer weather reduce the potential spread of the virus?

[KCLarkin]

After nearly 600 pages of handwashing, mask wearing, social distancing pictures, graphs, contact tracers, studies, data, etc Im absolutely floored there isnt more outrage about the mass protests in this thread.

 

The protesters seem to be wearing masks and using hand sanitizer, so not sure what your point is. Are you suggesting we continue to tolerate violent, systematic racism? Or are you just advocating for us to "let 'er rip"?

 

Let 'er rip has failed in every country that has tried it: Sweden, UK, Brazil, US (unintentionally).

 

Not sure what my point is? Were you not just arguing that the virus is a minimum 4x deadlier then the flu and that any narrative otherwise is dangerous? You have to be angry as hell these people  are playing with fire like this.

 

Secondly what does racism have to do with a pandemic? This thread has been about the pandemic and you have argued very heavily in favor of great caution and the severity of the disease.

 

Not going to engage in your bad faith arguments. IMO, your opinions have been definitively disproved in Milan, NY, London, Stockholm, Brazil.

 

[KCLarkin]

Why not open up everything then? We can all wear masks and use hand sanitizer just like the protesters and it would be safe!

 

I won't engage in your bad faith arguments. I never said masks and hand sanitizer make mass protests safe.

 

Ok, back to good faith argument --

 

I remember you saying that millions potentially dying of COVID is horrible.

These protests, while intended for a good cause, surely increases the chance of more people dying due to COVID.

 

So how do you weigh the balance?

 

In general, is this how the left in the US weigh things? (based on my observations)

Systematic racism > Public health > Economy and freedom

 

Let's leave the politics out for a second. What is the impact of the mass protests on the spread of Covid. From what I'm seeing, the protesters are:

- wearing masks

- outside

- making an effort to maintain distance

 

This makes the risk of spread low-to-moderate. This is different than what we saw in the Ozarks or Trinity Bellwoods (Toronto) where party-goers were making no effort to reduce spread.

 

But I am still scared this will cause a spike:

- police/military are not masked and aren't making an effort to maintain distance

- mass detentions/arrests make masks/distancing impossible

- transit to/from protests

- military transit and housing

 

This will prolong the economic and health impacts of the pandemic. This is a big problem in several U.S. states that are already failing to control the pandemic.

 

This is especially tragic because COVID will hurt people of color the most.

[cwericb]

To date total deaths in the US from COVID19 = 110,000

Total US population: 328 million

 

To date total deaths in the world = 389,000

Total world population = 7.6 billion

 

So with 4% of the world population the US accounts for nearly 30% of Covid deaths.

 

These numbers seem to speak for themselves.

 

[Jurgis]

Who cares about the protests, the real action is in Las Vegas casinos:

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/06/04/las-vegas-reopening-casinos-downtown-open-coronavirus-measures/3133863001/

 

If you gamble with your life, gamble for money homies!

[Spekulatius]

While I think there is a risk that the protests contribute to spread of COVID-19, there are mitigating factors:

1) a lot of protestors tried some measures of social distancing  and wore masks

2) The protests were outside, which reduces risk substantially (of course we do not know what emote stores do before and after)

3) Most protesters as well as front line police are younger. Not only are the less likely to get sick, they are lesser likely to spread COVID asymptomatic ( the latter is my own conclusion).

 

We likely erred on restricting outdoors activities too much. I don’t think there is much reason to close beaches or parks, assuming the people going there behave reasonable. It is likely even opening schools is lower risk than thought, based on observations from countries in Europe which have reopened schools recently.

 

High risk areas are badly ventilated high density indoor spaces like bars, some restaurants, offices, churches, sport venues night clubs, and business that require close customer contacts like nail salons, hairdressers etc.

[Read the Footnotes]

While I think there is a risk that the protests contribute to spread of COVID-19, there are mitigating factors:

1) a lot of protestors tried some measures of social distancing  and wore masks

2) The protests were outside, which reduces risk substantially (of course we do not know what emote stores do before and after)

3) Most protesters as well as front line police are younger. Not only are the less likely to get sick, they are lesser likely to spread COVID asymptomatic ( the latter is my own conclusion).

 

We likely erred on restricting outdoors activities too much. I don’t think there is much reason to close beaches or parks, assuming the people going there behave reasonable. It is likely even opening schools is lower risk than thought, based on observations from countries in Europe which have reopened schools recently.

 

High risk areas are badly ventilated high density indoor spaces like bars, some restaurants, offices, churches, sport venues night clubs, and business that require close customer contacts like nail salons, hairdressers etc.

There was at one point a belief that the sickest were shedding the most virus, but now there have been study results indicating that viral shedding is highest when pre-symptomatic, if that is true, you may be a little too optimistic

Another issue is that shouting has been estimated to shed 1000x as much virus as simply breathing. Think of the indoor choir practice example that is often cited. I saw many examples of a someone without a face covering screaming right in someone else face from less than three feet.. I hope they weren't infected because that's got to be extremely high risk.

[cwericb]

This whole Covid situation is a learning process and while the demonstrations are unfortunate coming at this time, if nothing else it should be a learning experience and provide more knowledge about the spread of the disease. It is just a darn good thing this isn't happening later in the year when we can probably expect another wave.

[Spekulatius]

While I think there is a risk that the protests contribute to spread of COVID-19, there are mitigating factors:

1) a lot of protestors tried some measures of social distancing  and wore masks

2) The protests were outside, which reduces risk substantially (of course we do not know what emote stores do before and after)

3) Most protesters as well as front line police are younger. Not only are the less likely to get sick, they are lesser likely to spread COVID asymptomatic ( the latter is my own conclusion).

 

We likely erred on restricting outdoors activities too much. I don’t think there is much reason to close beaches or parks, assuming the people going there behave reasonable. It is likely even opening schools is lower risk than thought, based on observations from countries in Europe which have reopened schools recently.

 

High risk areas are badly ventilated high density indoor spaces like bars, some restaurants, offices, churches, sport venues night clubs, and business that require close customer contacts like nail salons, hairdressers etc.

There was at one point a belief that the sickest were shedding the most virus, but now there have been study results indicating that viral shedding is highest when pre-symptomatic, if that is true, you may be a little too optimistic

Another issue is that shouting has been estimated to shed 1000x as much virus as simply breathing. Think of the indoor choir practice example that is often cited. I saw many examples of a someone without a face covering screaming right in someone else face from less than three feet.. I hope they weren't infected because that's got to be extremely high risk.

 

Yes, the highest  Viral shedding is asymptomatic shortly before shortly symptoms. My Thinking based on what I can stitch together though is that people they never show symptoms will never show high viral shedding at any time. Which makes sense if you think about it they people who never show symptoms likely als ways keep the virus in check with their immune system.

 

At least that’s a plausible explanation why the largely asymptomatic kids never seem to create much transmission to more susceptible adults in schools. If transmission from kids to adults in a school setting were common , it would already have shown up as infection clusters in Denmark and Germany, but so far that it not the case.

 

The stuff they doesn’t happen is often as insightful than the stuff they is happening. When we think for example about the much commented upon spring break parties in Florida a while - well we never heard much about infection clusters that could be traced back to these events. It’s also a fact that Florida did much better than many expected in this epidemic.

The likely factors that helped were that the spring break parties occurred mostly outdoors and involved mostly younger folks.

 

Invert this and put a bunch of older folks in a badly ventilated (I assume) confined place, which we call assisted living or nursing home and we very much know what happens.

 

All the above is not a sure fact, more of a hypothesis, but it  matches the observations so far. If we know about the do’s and the Don’ts we can open up the economy smartly with reasonably low risk.

[vinod1]

WSJ article by Peggy Noonan

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/on-some-things-americans-can-agree-11591313189?mod=hp_opin_pos_1

 

As to the president, this week he altered his position in the political landscape. Something broke. He is no longer the force he was and no longer lucky. In some new and indelible way his essential nature was revealed.

 

It got out that faced with protests around the White House, he hid. Or perhaps let the Secret Service, which might have struggled with realistic threat assessment, talk him into going into the White House bunker. (Mr. Trump later said he was simply “inspecting” it.) He tweeted that he was protected by the “most vicious dogs” and “ominous weapons.”

 

On Monday, he spoke in the Rose Garden. “I will fight to protect you,” he said. “I am your president of law and order.” This was unsubtle, and seemed more aimed at protecting his political prospects than your safety and property.

 

Then, upset that people might be getting the impression he was a physical coward, he set out to prove he is brave. Protected by a phalanx of police, Secret Service, sharpshooters and what looked like a Praetorian Guard with shields, he marched to St John’s, the church of the presidents. Aides said it was a Churchill moment. And it was just like Churchill during the blitz, if Churchill secretly loved rubble. Upon arrival with his friends, the people who work for him, he brandished a Bible like—who in history?—the devil?

 

In all this he gave up the game and explicitly patronized his own followers. It was as if he was saying: I’m going to show you how stupid I know you are. I’ll give you crude and gross imagery and you’ll love it because you’re crude and gross people.

 

And some would love it. But not all. Not most, I think.

[Jurgis]

WSJ article by Peggy Noonan

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/on-some-things-americans-can-agree-11591313189?mod=hp_opin_pos_1

 

So I just had this crazy thought in the shower after reading this: What if the real reason stocks were going up despite all the seemingly bad news is that they all improve the chances of Trump being replaced by someone better suited for the job? That is a bull case I can actually buy.

 

Throughout 2019 and beginning of 2020 majority of money managers polled by Barron's expected Trump to win and considered his expected win to be bullish. I doubt (m)any of them changed their minds on Trump.

[Read the Footnotes]

I think at this point the majority of stock market investors and business people would like anyone other than Trump and that what they might like the most is someone who just goes in their basement and leaves them and the markets alone. Trump may talk about small government, but he is consistently meddling in markets for his own benefit.

 

In the following post I tried to argue that it is a Trump concocted myth that the Market went up because he won. I also have tried to argue that the market will likely appreciate his loss. As he continues to melt down, that just becomes more and more likely. Biden is modeling the behavior that the market wants. Stay in the basement. Plus the more Biden can win from Trump without needing the wacky left, the more he can pursue a centrist agenda. As more Republicans abandon Trump, that possibility becomes more likely that we get a version of Biden that stays in his basement, is free to pursue a relatively centrist agenda and focuses on reuniting and calming the nation.

 

https://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/politics/how-much-will-the-stock-market-fall-if-elizabeth-wins/msg383763/#msg383763

[Sharad]

I think many people are looking at rates of infection and morbidity rates, which won't give us the true picture of the impact to the global economy and to the stock market, which is (crudely) for which many of us are looking for answers.

 

My take:

 

The virus likely has a much lower morbidity rate than the 2% in Wuhan, but the cases were never identified and reported correctly, and they sent people home or people avoided leaving home to deal with it themselves (h/t muscleman for some insight as well). Anyone at the beginning of the crisis that died of pneumonia like symptoms probably was ruled as a death from other sources. Regardless the morbidity rate at the beginning was skewed by the hospital cases, similar to the morbidity rates for people hospitalized for the flu in the US (8-12%, per CDC).

 

This spiked up morbidity rate clearly spooked the world, and the unknown nature of this virus is enough to scare everyone, so everyone freaked..but the market remained sanguine for two reasons...one, the Fed is in the midst of a massive asset buying spree, the repo markets are wide open, and liquidity has pushed markets into a blow-off top since Powell declared, for all intents and purposes, that the Fed has the markets' back during his Fed press conference in September. China also clamped down hard on the virus, trying to contain it, and, through surprising transparency, shared a lot of data with counterparts in the US, Canada, Europe and Australia, where the first full mapping of the virus' RNA was completed within a few days of receiving the virus sample itself.

 

While the markets drank the Fed Kool Aid, the tanker and dry bulk markets showed a different story. Rates plummeted, even in the face of IMO 2020 standards for tankers, which basically docked a large percentage of "dirty" tankers, to be upgraded with scrubbers that would reduce sulfur (?) emissions during their travels with petroleum products in a bid for global trade. This should have been the perfect recipe for a massive breakout from a 12 year bear market for rates, and the stocks soared from September to January in anticipation of it. Coronavirus clamped that down. China wasn't receiving their deliveries. The country shut down, stockpiles have built up, and demand for petroleum products declined 25% plus.

 

The market factored all these things in, and banked on a huge stimulus in China to keep the party going. South Korea dented those prospects, but Iran, and especially Italy, broke the whole thesis down. The moment a bunch of villages near Milan became a prime cluster outside China, all bets of containment were off. In the meantime, we have seen the market reach the apex of a massive blow-off top after a nearly 11 year bull market from the March 6, 2009 bottom. The last 4-5 years have resulted in P/E valuations doubling (or more) for the biggest companies in the S&P 500 (https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/pe-ratio), the massive move to index investing (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/19/passive-investing-now-controls-nearly-half-the-us-stock-market.html), and the retail investor returning to the market over the last couple of years (see the increased interest in Bitcoin, Tesla, r/wsb, etc.).

 

We were likely due for a large market decline when Powell pulled the plug on asset purchses (he declared mid Q2 2020, so let's say April), and that would have likely pushed us down 20%, like the Fed pivot of 2018. Once you factor in the coronavirus, how much further could we fall? Not only should we see the "p" of the p/e ratio fall, but we will also see the "e" fall too (see MSFT today).

 

Bottom line: IMHO, this is only the beginning. I was holding out hope, but that Italian outbreak changed it all. The Greek fashion designer who contracted it during her time at Milan Fashion Week means that cases will likely pop up everywhere, especially larger markets.

 

Anyways, I think people shouldn't be evaluating this from the morbidity rates, etc (I am guilty of doing this when we were transfixed by what was happening in China, and far from everywhere else). They should evaluate the destruction of capital flows and trade, and how much wealth that destroys. The destruction of wealth could mean a steeper decline. But the banks are better capitalized, so the upswing should be equally dramatic, whenever that will be. This is going to get much more ugly (consider if the Olympics are cancelled), and I think S&P 2,500 could be in the cards...but I could also see a massive upswing in the summer, when coordinated global stimulus pushes things higher, faster. We shouldn't be comparing this crisis to SARS or any other modern pandemic threat. This should be compared to the 1918 influenza outbreak and the subsequent 1919-1921 market crash and depression.

 

 

If you are looking for investments, consider NYSE:NVO (their products are probably the least sensitive to the virus) and Nasdaq:GRVY (Gravity Co Ltd, as South Korean gaming company: SK gaming culture is amongst the most profitable in the world and what the hell else are they going to do there now?).

 

Sorry for the long response. I was hoping it would help people see the broader picture of the market's moves ahead of the coronavirus, and the moves within the "guts" of the economy at the same time.

 

 

I wish I had listened to myself.  :-\

[John Hjorth]

<Lots of stuff omitted here, to avoid dense quoting, John>

 

I wish I had listened to myself.  :-\

 

Please do not come down too hard on yourself, Sharad,

 

Personally, I'm happy just to see you around here on CoBF again.

[John Hjorth]

While I think there is a risk that the protests contribute to spread of COVID-19, there are mitigating factors:

1) a lot of protestors tried some measures of social distancing  and wore masks

2) The protests were outside, which reduces risk substantially (of course we do not know what emote stores do before and after)

3) Most protesters as well as front line police are younger. Not only are the less likely to get sick, they are lesser likely to spread COVID asymptomatic ( the latter is my own conclusion).

 

We likely erred on restricting outdoors activities too much. I don’t think there is much reason to close beaches or parks, assuming the people going there behave reasonable. It is likely even opening schools is lower risk than thought, based on observations from countries in Europe which have reopened schools recently.

 

High risk areas are badly ventilated high density indoor spaces like bars, some restaurants, offices, churches, sport venues night clubs, and business that require close customer contacts like nail salons, hairdressers etc.

There was at one point a belief that the sickest were shedding the most virus, but now there have been study results indicating that viral shedding is highest when pre-symptomatic, if that is true, you may be a little too optimistic

Another issue is that shouting has been estimated to shed 1000x as much virus as simply breathing. Think of the indoor choir practice example that is often cited. I saw many examples of a someone without a face covering screaming right in someone else face from less than three feet.. I hope they weren't infected because that's got to be extremely high risk.

 

Yes, the highest  Viral shedding is asymptomatic shortly before shortly symptoms. My Thinking based on what I can stitch together though is that people they never show symptoms will never show high viral shedding at any time. Which makes sense if you think about it they people who never show symptoms likely als ways keep the virus in check with their immune system.

 

At least that’s a plausible explanation why the largely asymptomatic kids never seem to create much transmission to more susceptible adults in schools. If transmission from kids to adults in a school setting were common , it would already have shown up as infection clusters in Denmark and Germany, but so far that it not the case.

 

The stuff they doesn’t happen is often as insightful than the stuff they is happening. When we think for example about the much commented upon spring break parties in Florida a while - well we never heard much about infection clusters that could be traced back to these events. It’s also a fact that Florida did much better than many expected in this epidemic.

The likely factors that helped were that the spring break parties occurred mostly outdoors and involved mostly younger folks.

 

Invert this and put a bunch of older folks in a badly ventilated (I assume) confined place, which we call assisted living or nursing home and we very much know what happens.

 

All the above is not a sure fact, more of a hypothesis, but it  matches the observations so far. If we know about the do’s and the Don’ts we can open up the economy smartly with reasonably low risk.

 

This is razor sharp analysis & considerations in a chaos of data, Spekulatius,

 

Thank you. Somehow, I speculate, that the Danish Health Authority already had [loosely] figured that out here. At least the reopening here started with the youth now about four weeks ago, and the national numbers I'm studying every day does not appear to be affected by this action, now since about four weeks ago.