Buckeye Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 (edited) I don't understand why more people don't support President Trump. His life is the opitome of the American Dream. The guy came from literally nothing and through sheer hard work and determination he pulled himself up by his own bootstraps and built multiple businesses from scratch. And these businesses have all been wildly successful, bringing tremendous riches to his partners, investors and employees. He's lived an honest, honorable life, while treating his wives and family with dignity and respect. He's played by the rules and never taken short cuts, all while giving back to his community. And he's been willing to sacrifice that all to be our President, for no pay! What a guy. It's a dam shame what the Woke Media has done to the TDS brains. Edited September 3, 2025 by Buckeye
Buckeye Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 1 hour ago, whiskybravo said: I easily invalidated the whole message, because you didn’t read the article (that you posted) and therefore didn’t realize that manufacturing has been negative for all but two months since November 2022. The two months that were positive themselves invalidated your headline. Easy peasy You're right Whisky, the manufacturing sector is growing like gangbusters! I would've responded sooner but I've been in interviews with a few different manufacturers. Apparently they can't hire fast enough to meet the demand they are seeing from this economy! PS, I hear the BLS is looking for some extra help, if you're interested in a side gig
LC Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 3 minutes ago, Sweet said: Nah. I know plenty of well off Americans worth millions who started with nothing and came from a working class background. Really weird that you think these people don’t exist. Of course. Your anecdote is correct. The data is incorrect.
Sweet Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 1 minute ago, LC said: Of course. Your anecdote is correct. The data is incorrect. It’s an anecdote to you but not those who lived it. Take a straw poll of this forum sure, you might be surprised. The ‘data’ - what data, you posted nothing other than trope. The ‘millionaire next door’ either. A book written in the mid-90s that show that most millionaires were self made. Not all, but most.
cwericb Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 8 hours ago, cubsfan said: Like you heroic Uncle - he'll go down in history as one of the greatest of all time! Yes I fully agree with that. But we probably disagree on the greatest what .... Time will tell.
Red Lion Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 1 hour ago, LC said: Of course. Your anecdote is correct. The data is incorrect. What data? I’m no expert but I just googled this and ai says that 80-90% of millionaires are self made in the USA. Do you have other numbers?
73 Reds Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 1 hour ago, Red Lion said: I think Biden got elected by promising to be a centrist, and then immediately sold his soul to the progressive woke brigade. I’d like to see a centrist too, from either party. Biden was a centrist back in his Senate days but by the time he was elected President he had sold his sole to the far Left. The irony is Trump is not even a Republican. Most of the policies he stands for are, or should be centrist. Why would any American have an issue with the concept of "America first"? If anyone favors China, Russia, India or any other country over our own, go live there. But they would rather just shoot the messenger because it is too easy and requires no consideration of the alternative. Likewise they can't stand the fact that he finally exposed the main stream media and single handedly defeated a corrupt government that was intent on permanently taking him down. Yet people - even here call him stupid. Just sad, really.
Spekulatius Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 8 hours ago, thepupil said: I don't really qualify as a local. I live in the adjacent burbs and my life is very suburban and family oriented. between work and family, there' not much time for us to go galivanting in the city. we go in for museums, ball games, etc, but by no means city dwellers. I think DC had/has an embarrassing crime problem and I, as a relatively person who doesn't go into city often, would take certain precautions when going in for dinner, namely taking ubers so i don't have to park or ever be a pedestrian....going out late to a nice restaurant....uber to the restaurant...uber home. your uber can get jacked, but then you hopefully just get pushed out and lose a credit card and a phone. i welcome change...some of which was in progress via the reversal of truly idiotic policies on crime and it seemed like they started to actually arrests / punish people. i have mixed feelings overall re national guard, but think it makes most sense in DC, which has long precedent of federal control and for obvious reasons has very strong ties to the federal government. as a marylander, i do have some fear DC's gain will be Maryland's loss (criminals adapt) but given that much of the motivation for the crime is non-economic and hihgly localized, it's not a huge concern...more of a concern regardign the vagrants taking the red line up to moco. @thepupil & @gfp thank your perspective on crime in DC and the Project Nola. First time I hear about it. the surveillance thing is scary but then again if it works in a high crime area then I think it’s something to consider elsewhere. Crime is a huge tax on a city and should be reduced as much as possible. I also think that a capital should be held to a higher standard are than other cities.
Parsad Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 1 hour ago, Buckeye said: I don't understand why more people don't support President Trump. His life is the opitome of the American Dream. The guy came from literally nothing and though sheer hard work and determination he pulled himself up by his own bootstraps and built multiple businesses from scratch. And these businesses have all been wildly successful, bringing tremendous riches to his partners, investors and employees. He's lived an honest, honorable life, while treating his wives and family with dignity and respect. He's played by the rules and never taken short cuts, all while giving back to his community. And he's been willing to sacrifice that all to be our President, for no pay! What a guy. It's a dam shame what the Woke Media has done to the TDS brains. LOL!!! I'm crying inside but pissing my pants laughing! Thanks for making my day! Cheers!
Parsad Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 26 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Biden was a centrist back in his Senate days but by the time he was elected President he had sold his sole to the far Left. The irony is Trump is not even a Republican. Most of the policies he stands for are, or should be centrist. Why would any American have an issue with the concept of "America first"? If anyone favors China, Russia, India or any other country over our own, go live there. But they would rather just shoot the messenger because it is too easy and requires no consideration of the alternative. Likewise they can't stand the fact that he finally exposed the main stream media and single handedly defeated a corrupt government that was intent on permanently taking him down. Yet people - even here call him stupid. Just sad, really. That's the thing! I don't think most people disagree with his policies (other than the specific attack on Science)...it's the way he's going about doing it. He's ignoring the Constitution, due process and human rights. At some point, achieving a specific agenda cannot exceed or contravene the Constitution and Bill of Rights! You have to stand for something, or you stand for nothing. If you don't defend the rights of the individual, the Constitution, freedom of speech, then you are betraying everything America stands for and was built on! Cheers!
73 Reds Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 8 minutes ago, Parsad said: LOL!!! I'm crying inside but pissing my pants laughing! Thanks for making my day! Cheers! 1 minute ago, Parsad said: That's the thing! I don't think most people disagree with his policies (other than the specific attack on Science)...it's the way he's going about doing it. He's ignoring the Constitution, due process and human rights. At some point, achieving a specific agenda cannot exceed or contravene the Constitution and Bill of Rights! You have to stand for something, or you stand for nothing. If you don't defend the rights of the individual, the Constitution, freedom of speech, then you are betraying everything America stands for and was built on! Cheers! He may be ignoring *your version* of the Constitution (that doesn't even apply to you). But we have a Supreme Court to make those determinations and any thoughts until that time are mere conjecture. But we like conjecture here.
LC Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 44 minutes ago, Red Lion said: What data? I’m no expert but I just googled this and ai says that 80-90% of millionaires are self made in the USA. Do you have other numbers? There have been decades of study on this topic, a famous one done by Harvard called the opportunity atlas. Or you could just ask Gemini: Quote Upward mobility for the poorest 10% of Americans is limited, with studies showing a significant chance of remaining in the bottom economic quintile as adults, though prospects are better in some regions of the country than others. Factors like lower-quality local schools, high income and racial segregation, and lower social capital are linked to lower mobility rates, particularly in the South. Conversely, areas with better schools, more resources, and higher social capital, often in the West, offer more opportunities for children from poor families to move up the economic ladder
Parsad Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 31 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Biden was a centrist back in his Senate days but by the time he was elected President he had sold his sole to the far Left. The irony is Trump is not even a Republican. Most of the policies he stands for are, or should be centrist. Why would any American have an issue with the concept of "America first"? If anyone favors China, Russia, India or any other country over our own, go live there. But they would rather just shoot the messenger because it is too easy and requires no consideration of the alternative. Likewise they can't stand the fact that he finally exposed the main stream media and single handedly defeated a corrupt government that was intent on permanently taking him down. Yet people - even here call him stupid. Just sad, really. You know, I cannot stand MTG even more than I cannot stand Trump! But I have to give her credit for standing by and supporting the Epstein victims today that were asking for ALL of the documents to be released. It wasn't political...she said "the hostile act isn't against the administration but against these women". As a massive Trump supporter, it was a very brave thing for her to do knowing that sentiment could turn on her for supporting these women and asking the administration to release all of the information. It's a reflection on the failure of past administrations as well if she manages to get Trump to release everything. Like I said in my previous post...at some point you have to stand for something and that's what is right...protecting the Constitution...ensuring the Bill of Rights...not letting the helpless fall through the cracks or be ignored! Cheers!
73 Reds Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 Just now, Parsad said: You know, I cannot stand MTG even more than I cannot stand Trump! But I have to give her credit for standing by and supporting the Epstein victims today that were asking for ALL of the documents to be released. It wasn't political...she said "the hostile act isn't against the administration but against these women". As a massive Trump supporter, it was a very brave thing for her to do knowing that sentiment could turn on her for supporting these women and asking the administration to release all of the information. It's a reflection on the failure of past administrations as well if she manages to get Trump to release everything. Like I said in my previous post...at some point you have to stand for something and that's what is right...protecting the Constitution...ensuring the Bill of Rights...not letting the helpless fall through the cracks or be ignored! Cheers! Agreed. And I don't care for her either.
Spekulatius Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 3 hours ago, 73 Reds said: His timeline has been remarkably accurate if you care to look at it objectively. Closed border, largely eliminated woke agenda, dealt with Israel/Iran, attempted to bring trade in balance with tariffs, extended the prior tax laws, embraced capitalism, strengthened the military etc.... Yeah, those are the policies I voted for. Could care less about "the guy" or what anyone thinks of him. The trade deficit was still ~$100B in July (the last number available). I don’t think Israel or Iran are solved yet either . On capitalism. I can argue Intel and the intent to take a stake in defense contractors is not exactly Manchester capitalism. How do you know the military is strengthened?
Parsad Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 2 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: He may be ignoring *your version* of the Constitution (that doesn't even apply to you). But we have a Supreme Court to make those determinations and any thoughts until that time are mere conjecture. But we like conjecture here. This is just a foolhardy thing to say...it's not applicable to you, so you cannot have an opinion. Before the U.S. Constitution, there was the Magna Carta. In Canada, we have something very similar with the Constitutions Act and Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms. So we are well within the scope to critique the President's efforts to thwart or exceed what he is allowed to do constitutionally. Cheers!
73 Reds Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 1 minute ago, Parsad said: This is just a foolhardy thing to say...it's not applicable to you, so you cannot have an opinion. Before the U.S. Constitution, there was the Magna Carta. In Canada, we have something very similar with the Constitutions Act and Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms. So we are well within the scope to critique the President's efforts to thwart or exceed what he is allowed to do constitutionally. Cheers! The question is WHY you feel so compelled to comment? Is it really that important to you or does it affect you in any way? To me it looks like the TDS thing that plagues so many.
73 Reds Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 5 minutes ago, Spekulatius said: The trade deficit was still ~$100B in July (the last number available). I don’t think Israel or Iran are solved yet either . On capitalism. I can argue Intel and the intent to take a stake in defense contractors is not exactly Manchester capitalism. How do you know the military is strengthened? You can argue anything you want. As someone with a vested interest in Israel, I can say the Country is a whole lot safer now than before. The trade issues will take time (who said it wouldn't) and perhaps you prefer the likes of Bernie, Liz and the likely future mayor of NYC but I don't and anything that can be done to demonstrate that socialism is not a path forward is acceptable. And the military is actually ATTRACTING new recruits.
Gregmal Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 14 minutes ago, Parsad said: That's the thing! I don't think most people disagree with his policies (other than the specific attack on Science)...it's the way he's going about doing it. He's ignoring the Constitution, due process and human rights. At some point, achieving a specific agenda cannot exceed or contravene the Constitution and Bill of Rights! You have to stand for something, or you stand for nothing. If you don't defend the rights of the individual, the Constitution, freedom of speech, then you are betraying everything America stands for and was built on! Cheers! Well, that’s because even the most common sense subjects, like fixing crime, these pissants just want to “fight Trump”. Like for all the total bs we get about the rationale, you can reliably see that no matter what Trump tries to do, regardless of how common sense it is, they’ll be against it. The excuses are always there, whether it be “we don’t like the process” or “the wrong way” or “this is too much”….who TF cares? In a way it’s like FNMA…if you believe or have an interest in a recap…now’s your shot. Kamala sure as shit wasn’t going to do it, so being a bitch and saying “I don’t like the way” either means you’re short, or you’re against it for other reasons. Because it’s only shot at happening is now, and whether you like 100% of the process of getting it done or not, it doesn’t matter. It’s now or never. That’s why these chumps who say “oh I support the idea, just not the way he’s going about it” are total liars. Cuz the odds of it happening with another candidate are 0. Is anyone stupid enough to vote for Kamala or Biden on the basis of fixing crime or immigration? Lmfao I won’t hold my breath….
LC Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 The military attracts new recruits when the economy is underperforming for the lower wealth groups. The USA has become more insular, more protectionist, and more closed-off. That is not a position of strength, that is a position of weakness.
Parsad Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 6 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: The question is WHY you feel so compelled to comment? Is it really that important to you or does it affect you in any way? To me it looks like the TDS thing that plagues so many. I've got 50% of my net worth tied to the U.S. I have immediate family in Texas, California, Chicago and Washington. I have close friends all over the U.S. The U.S. borders the city I live in. The tariffs affect the small, medium and large businesses my friends and families operate. U.S. policies have some effect on the company I run. I'd say it has a massive effect on me, my family, the people around me and my country! Cheers!
LC Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 5 minutes ago, Gregmal said: Well, that’s because even the most common sense subjects, like fixing crime, these pissants just want to “fight Trump”. Real easy way to reduce almost all violent crime is just to imprison everyone. What, you don't support that? Well you must not really want to reduce violent crime. C'mon.
73 Reds Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 Just now, LC said: The military attracts new recruits when the economy is underperforming for the lower wealth groups. The USA has become more insular, more protectionist, and more closed-off. That is not a position of strength, that is a position of weakness. Closed off to who - illegal immigrants? Anyone is welcome if they go about it the proper way. Problem is, one select group prefers to make apologies for who we are. In a way you're right - we need protection from those folks and the strength to stand up to them and to a World that increasingly doesn't do us any favors.
Gregmal Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 10 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: As someone with a vested interest in Israel, Another good example…”oh we don’t like the way he’s dealing with iran”…. great, tell me what TF you thought Kamala was going to do for Israel when you voted for her….oh wait…
73 Reds Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 4 minutes ago, Parsad said: I've got 50% of my net worth tied to the U.S. I have immediate family in Texas, California, Chicago and Washington. I have close friends all over the U.S. The U.S. borders the city I live in. The tariffs affect the small, medium and large businesses my friends and families operate. U.S. policies have some effect on the company I run. I'd say it has a massive effect on me, my family, the people around me and my country! Cheers! Congratulations. I have nearly equal ties to Canada but never once felt the need or desire to comment on Canada's former leader.
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