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[cubsfan]

1 minute ago, dwy000 said:

So would i.  But it still begs the question as to what was achieved given we are exactly where we were 4 weeks ago.  

 

You should ask Iran that very question.  

 

Iran: vast destruction to their military capabilities and manufacturing assets. Devastation to their petrochemical industries. Hundreds more leaders killed.

 

What did the US lose?  A few thousand bombs.

 

Iran would love to have ALL of that back. 

 

What a waste for Iran.

[dwy000]

3 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

We'll have to wait and see what parts of the proposals each side accepts.  You also know that Bibi is going to ratchet up the pressure on the proposals.  I also would not be surprised to see Bibi destroy any proposed peace plan by conducting unilateral selective attacks.  Bibi and the hardliners would not be happy with anything less than regime change.  So that is the biggest risk here right now on any deal happening!  Cheers!

Agreed. Bibi is always the wild card.  But right now this is a massive win for Iran.  They stood up to US and Israel, the regime is even more entrenched, their nuclear ambitions are unchanged, their ability to control SOH is acknowledged and the basis for negotiations includes their control of SOH, reparations and the US leaving.  For all the lives and money spent I would at least liked to have seen some agreement on stopping nuclear program.  If that's not part of any final deal Iran has won this. 

[Parsad]

10 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

Agreed. Bibi is always the wild card.  But right now this is a massive win for Iran.  They stood up to US and Israel, the regime is even more entrenched, their nuclear ambitions are unchanged, their ability to control SOH is acknowledged and the basis for negotiations includes their control of SOH, reparations and the US leaving.  For all the lives and money spent I would at least liked to have seen some agreement on stopping nuclear program.  If that's not part of any final deal Iran has won this. 

 

Ignore what I said, because Iran just fired missiles over Israel...while Israel said they will abide by any peace plan as long as there is lasting peace.  Not sure if Iran is trying to goad Israel into something or what?

 

All military installations in Iran should be destroyed when discussing any peace plan.  I think it's time the Iranian regime depended on the kindness of strangers, rather than be allowed to run amok!  Cheers!

[Dalal.Holdings]

14 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

You should ask Iran that very question.  

 

Iran: vast destruction to their military capabilities and manufacturing assets. Devastation to their petrochemical industries. Hundreds more leaders killed.

 

What did the US lose?  A few thousand bombs.

 

Iran would love to have ALL of that back. 

 

What a waste for Iran.

U.S. has also learned a lot about drone, ballistic missiles, and other asymmetric warfare...plenty of time for the U.S. to adapt to better prepare for future conflicts that will employ these 

 

It was also a great live demonstration of U.S. AI capabilities and other high tech experimental stuff that was actually useful (including rescue of the pilot):

https://nypost.com/2026/04/07/us-news/ghost-murmur-a-never-used-secret-tool-deployed-to-find-lost-airman-in-iran-in-daring-mission/

[cubsfan]

1 minute ago, Dalal.Holdings said:

U.S. has also learned a lot about drone, ballistic missiles, and other asymmetric warfare...plenty of time for the U.S. to adapt to better prepare for future conflicts that will employ these 

 

It was also a great live demonstration of U.S. AI capabilities and other high tech experimental stuff that was actually useful (including rescue of the pilot):

https://nypost.com/2026/04/07/us-news/ghost-murmur-a-never-used-secret-tool-deployed-to-find-lost-airman-in-iran-in-daring-mission/

 

No doubt about it.  A terrified Iran caved for survival.

 

Amazing article - thanks for link.

[Hektor]

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-war-2026-trump-deadline-latest-news/card/iran-signals-intent-to-continue-influence-over-hormuz-T3cGYgkI1Nr0rcjx5Gzn

 

Looks like Iran is giving up nothing, at least for now.

[Parsad]

10 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

No doubt about it.  A terrified Iran caved for survival.

 

Amazing article - thanks for link.

 

7 minutes ago, Hektor said:

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-war-2026-trump-deadline-latest-news/card/iran-signals-intent-to-continue-influence-over-hormuz-T3cGYgkI1Nr0rcjx5Gzn

 

Looks like Iran is giving up nothing, at least for now.

 

We have to wait and see what the final proposals or agreement look like.  Both are going to be touting their moral/military victories right now.  We may be back here two weeks from now.  Cheers!

[ourkid8]

Trump said this is a plan they can work with? Essentially that’s agreeing to unconditional surrender   

Am I allowed to say we are almost at checkmate? Short term pain for very long term gain! Israel better learn to play nice with their neighbours going forward as a superpower will emerge! @73 Reds @cubsfan @Marco Van Basten @Parsad
@Gregmal 

 

1. The U.S. must fundamentally commit to guaranteeing non-aggression.

2. Continuation of Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz.

3. Acceptance that Iran can enrich uranium for its nuclear program

4. Removal of all primary sanctions on Iran.

5. Removal of all secondary sanctions against foreign entities that do business with Iranian institutions).

6. End of all United Security Council resolutions targeting Iran.

7. End of all International Atomic Energy Agency resolutions on Iran’s nuclear program.

8. Compensation payment to Iran for war damage.

9. Withdrawal of US combat forces from the region.

10. Cease-fire on all fronts, including Israel’s conflict with Hezbollah in Lebanon.

 

 

Edited April 8 by ourkid8

[cwericb]

47 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

 

 

What did the US lose?  A few thousand bombs.

 

Iran would love to have ALL of that back. 

 

What a waste for Iran.

 

Y'all seem to forget an unknown number of US servicemen and women killed along with many wounded.

Plus a few hundred million dollars in US aircraft and about a billion dollars a day during the war. So far.

 

Present peace.........

All US troops to be removed from area.

Iran will open, but will still control the Straits.

Enriched uranium still remains with Iran.

Movement to invoke Article 25 gaining traction.

 

Seems like Iran: 1, USA: 0, DJT -1. (to date).

Stay tuned, this is probably just intermission.

 

 

Edited April 8 by cwericb

[Hektor]

4 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

 

We have to wait and see what the final proposals or agreement look like.  Both are going to be touting their moral/military victories right now.  We may be back here two weeks from now.  Cheers!

+1. Interestingly. DJT has posted the Iranian ministers quote on Truth!

[Parsad]

19 minutes ago, ourkid8 said:

Trump said this is a plan they can work with? Essentially that’s agreeing to unconditional surrender   

Am I allowed to say we are almost at checkmate? Short term pain for very long term gain! Israel better learn to play nice with their neighbours going forward. @73 Reds @cubsfan @Marco Van Basten @Parsad
@Gregmal 

 

1. The U.S. must fundamentally commit to guaranteeing non-aggression.

2. Continuation of Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz.

3. Acceptance that Iran can enrich uranium for its nuclear program

4. Removal of all primary sanctions on Iran.

5. Removal of all secondary sanctions against foreign entities that do business with Iranian institutions).

6. End of all United Security Council resolutions targeting Iran.

7. End of all International Atomic Energy Agency resolutions on Iran’s nuclear program.

8. Compensation payment to Iran for war damage.

9. Withdrawal of US combat forces from the region.

10. Cease-fire on all fronts, including Israel’s conflict with Hezbollah in Lebanon.

 

 

 

I have no problem with Iran controlling the Strait and building their economy from it.  I also have no problem with the U.S. withdrawing troops from there...it should be monitored by the people who live there.  

 

But 3 & 7 are absolute non-starters.  No nuclear enrichment program for energy needs unless monitored.  IAEA resolutions all stay on what they can do with their nuclear program.  That's the price you pay for 47 years of terrorist funding and activity!  Earn the trust!  Cheers!

[Gregmal]

The fecal locust are out in full force, as obsessed with Trump as ever. But this opinion piece about sums it up.

 

https://nypost.com/2026/04/07/opinion/trumps-iran-cease-fire-makes-the-left-lose-its-mind-but-lets-just-take-the-win-for-now/

 

Particularly this,

 

This “Trump always chickens out” sentiment was repeated by left-wing pundits, who only hours before were furious that Trump was threating to “blow up the whole country.”

So which is it? You’re mad when he threatens to bomb a country, then mock him when he doesn’t?

 

[Parsad]

21 minutes ago, cwericb said:

 

Y'all seem to forget an unknown number of US servicemen and women killed along with many wounded.

Plus a few hundred million dollars in US aircraft and about a billion dollars a day during the war. So far.

 

Present peace.........

All US troops to be removed from area.

Iran will open, but will still control the Straits.

Enriched uranium still remains with Iran.

Movement to invoke Article 25 gaining traction.

 

Seems like Iran: 1, USA: 0, DJT -1. (to date).

Stay tuned, this is probably just intermission.

 

 

 

You guys are assuming this is a done deal.  He was about to smoke them tonight, and only has said that the proposal is something they can work with and build on.  Wait for the final product.  If it's the same damn proposal with no curtailment or control over the nuclear program, then it's a bust of a deal like many of Trump's deals.  If they can control the nuclear program, then its a win for both sides...especially the Middle East!

 

Also, both Israel and Iran are still firing strikes at each other at the moment.  Both these fuckers might kill any deal!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

2 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

The fecal locust are out in full force, as obsessed with Trump as ever. But this opinion piece about sums it up.

 

https://nypost.com/2026/04/07/opinion/trumps-iran-cease-fire-makes-the-left-lose-its-mind-but-lets-just-take-the-win-for-now/

 

Particularly this,

 

 

This “Trump always chickens out” sentiment was repeated by left-wing pundits, who only hours before were furious that Trump was threating to “blow up the whole country.”

So which is it? You’re mad when he threatens to bomb a country, then mock him when he doesn’t?

 

 

Ah...you never answered my question on TACO Tuesday or bombs away.  I don't think you were sure either! 

 

Even Greg doesn't know what the hell happens in Trumpie's mind!  Only Cubs is 100% convinced he's a genius!  Cheers!

[Gregmal]

10 hours ago, Gregmal said:

Idk what will happen, but I’ve heard that in the age of total uselessness and lethargy, you can get all the answers by asking AI and then double checking the predictions markets….

 

4 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

Ah...you never answered my question on TACO Tuesday or bombs away.  I don't think you were sure either! 

 

Even Greg doesn't know what the hell happens in Trumpie's mind!  Only Cubs is 100% convinced he's a genius!  Cheers!

See above. I read your post and was responding but then got caught up getting the kids ready for school. Answered it later tho! 

[changegonnacome]

6 minutes ago, Parsad said:

Israel is upset.  I hope they don't make this a problem. 

 

You bet they will. Israel's position on any deal will be absolutely maximalist. Bibi isn't letting Donald off easy, not when Iran is this close to being sent back to the Stone Ages. What folks forget is Bibi cleverly built his own separate but linked 'mini-war' in Southern Lebanon that he alone controls.

 

It almost got lost in the wider conflict but cast your mind back to the start of the war-

- US-Israel strike Iran Feb 28th

- Israel preemptively hits Hezbollah hours later

- Hezbollah retaliates March 2nd

- Israel declares it an 'official declaration of war' and escalates to a full ground invasion of Southern Lebanon, occupying lands all the way up to the Litani River and displacing 1.2 million people creating a humanitarian crisis.

 

I wondered what the hell Bibi was doing at the time opening a second front for an already stretched Israeli military embarking on an offensive and defensive fight of its life. It felt reckless. But as in most things there is always method in Bibi's (seeming) madness......see as long as Israeli troops occupy southern Lebanon, Hezbollah fights them. As long as Hezbollah fights them, Israel says 'Iran is still attacking us via proxies — we can't and wont withdraw, and any deal with Iran that doesn't address this is a non-starter.' 

 

Southern Lebanon is Bibi's poison pill on any deal Trump dreams up to get himself out of this mess. Bibi deliberately created a secondary but linked conflict which he can make unresolvable through his own unilateral escalatory actions. Bibi got himself a veto of sorts and its called Southern Lebanon and Hezbollah. Expect to hear ALOT more about the mini-war if the US-Iran make real progress on resolving the primary one and it looks like Donald is heading home!

 

[dwy000]

12 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

 

So which is it? You’re mad when he threatens to bomb a country, then mock him when he doesn’t?

 

Why can't it be both?  

 

I hope this NY Post article is more accurate than the last one which the Sec of State completely undermined the next day. 

[cwericb]

As I said, this is only intermission. Stay tuned.

 

But as it now seems, under this peace proposal, Iran will now charge a toll on the SOH which will put billions in its coffers and there it now appears there no mention of limiting it's nuclear program AND still leaves the enriched uranium in Iran's hands. If that is true, what was the reason for the war?

 

Not sure why Cubs or anyone thinks this is such a big win??

[ourkid8]

11 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

I have no problem with Iran controlling the Strait and building their economy from it.  I also have no problem with the U.S. withdrawing troops from there...it should be monitored by the people who live there.  

 

But 3 & 7 are absolute non-starters.  No nuclear enrichment program for energy needs unless monitored.  IAEA resolutions all stay on what they can do with their nuclear program.  That's the price you pay for 47 years of terrorist funding and activity!  Earn the trust!  Cheers!

Like I said, almost checkmate. One country will be coming out of this war significantly stronger whereas the other two in a significantly weaker position. 

[changegonnacome]

1 hour ago, dwy000 said:

What was the point of this again?

 

The point IMO - was that Mossad told the US the Iranian regime was teetering on the brink of collapse and all they needed was a nudge. The US provided that nudge in the hope of regime change. It didn't work out (clearly). What I will say is that if Trump was presented with that information, found it credible and his own intelligence backed it up and If that all comes out to be the case . I back Trump on the decision - what he did was worth a shot. The R/R on quick bombing campaign to overthrow the Islamic revolution was worth a shot  - it would have been an amazing gift to the world and the Iranian people. When that didn't happen the R/R inverted and he was right to be prowling around for an off ramp since then.

[ourkid8]

9 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

 

You bet they will. Israel's position on any deal will be absolutely maximalist. Bibi isn't letting Donald off easy, not when Iran is this close to being sent back to the Stone Ages. What folks forget is Bibi cleverly built his own separate but linked 'mini-war' in Southern Lebanon that he alone controls.

 

It almost got lost in the wider conflict but cast your mind back to the start of the war-

- US-Israel strike Iran Feb 28th

- Israel preemptively hits Hezbollah hours later

- Hezbollah retaliates March 2nd

- Israel declares it an 'official declaration of war' and escalates to a full ground invasion of Southern Lebanon, occupying lands all the way up to the Litani River and displacing 1.2 million people creating a humanitarian crisis.

 

I wondered what the hell Bibi was doing at the time opening a second front for an already stretched Israeli military embarking on an offensive and defensive fight of its life. It felt reckless. But as in most things there is always method in Bibi's (seeming) madness......see as long as Israeli troops occupy southern Lebanon, Hezbollah fights them. As long as Hezbollah fights them, Israel says 'Iran is still attacking us via proxies — we can't and wont withdraw, and any deal with Iran that doesn't address this is a non-starter.' 

 

Southern Lebanon is Bibi's poison pill on any deal Trump dreams up to get himself out of this mess. Bibi deliberately created a secondary but linked conflict which he can make unresolvable through his own unilateral escalatory actions. Bibi got himself a veto of sorts and its called Southern Lebanon and Hezbollah. Expect to hear ALOT more about the mini-war if the US-Iran make real progress on resolving the primary one and it looks like Donald is heading home!

 

 

Israel probably begged for this ceasefire as well  - I cannot wait to post pictures of them surrendering and leaving Lebanon in shame. 

 

Please refer to point #10 - Cease-fire on all fronts, including Israel’s conflict with Hezbollah in Lebanon.

 

 

[ICUMD]

Seems like an intermission. 

 

Trump needs to win midterms. 

The 1 day war gamble didn't pay off. 

 

Israel still has expansionist plans.

 

Everyone's chips are on the table.

Trumps anhilistic aspirations and possibly nuclear options didn't sit well with many Americans nor Iran.  

 

Iran now has more reason than ever to develop a nuclear weapon,  if only to repel future attacks.  

 

Nuclear powers don't get attacked. 

 

[Parsad]

31 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

 

See above. I read your post and was responding but then got caught up getting the kids ready for school. Answered it later tho! 

 

LOL!  Didn't see that.  Good answer!  Cheers!

[Spekulatius]

29 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

 

You bet they will. Israel's position on any deal will be absolutely maximalist. Bibi isn't letting Donald off easy, not when Iran is this close to being sent back to the Stone Ages. What folks forget is Bibi cleverly built his own separate but linked 'mini-war' in Southern Lebanon that he alone controls.

 

It almost got lost in the wider conflict but cast your mind back to the start of the war-

- US-Israel strike Iran Feb 28th

- Israel preemptively hits Hezbollah hours later

- Hezbollah retaliates March 2nd

- Israel declares it an 'official declaration of war' and escalates to a full ground invasion of Southern Lebanon, occupying lands all the way up to the Litani River and displacing 1.2 million people creating a humanitarian crisis.

 

I wondered what the hell Bibi was doing at the time opening a second front for an already stretched Israeli military embarking on an offensive and defensive fight of its life. It felt reckless. But as in most things there is always method in Bibi's (seeming) madness......see as long as Israeli troops occupy southern Lebanon, Hezbollah fights them. As long as Hezbollah fights them, Israel says 'Iran is still attacking us via proxies — we can't and wont withdraw, and any deal with Iran that doesn't address this is a non-starter.' 

 

Southern Lebanon is Bibi's poison pill on any deal Trump dreams up to get himself out of this mess. Bibi deliberately created a secondary but linked conflict which he can make unresolvable through his own unilateral escalatory actions. Bibi got himself a veto of sorts and its called Southern Lebanon and Hezbollah. Expect to hear ALOT more about the mini-war if the US-Iran make real progress on resolving the primary one and it looks like Donald is heading home!

 

I agree this operation is Bibi is the brainchild. They started the war by killing Khamenei and Trump at that point felt had to join in. I still think this can go many ways as the positions of both sides are obviously very wide apart. Whatever the solution it needs to be such that each side can declare victory to their base.

Edited April 8 by Spekulatius

[changegonnacome]

16 minutes ago, cwericb said:

Iran will now charge a toll on the SOH which will put billions in its coffers

 

Don't forget these 10 or 15 points plans all have exaggerated initial demands put in there to be negotiated away......a toll is too much of an FU to Donald/GCC/the World......Iran will get the billions it might otherwise get from tolls but it will be given to them in a less overt way. Elevated oil prices and sanctions relief are putting a lot of money in their hands already and they can figure out ways the toll gets paid silently which is to everyones advantage.!

 

As I've said a few pages back.....its in Iran's interest to return the SOH back to being a latent silent deterrent and tolling it overtly continues to make it a target to be taken away.....they are other ways to skin that cat.