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[changegonnacome]

8 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

Same with moving 3500 marines ( a ground invasion force) that may well be to secure Kharg Island. But think about this- if this escalation had been part of the plan from beginning, the Marines had been assembled with the initial force to begin with and Kharg Island had been hit during the first days (this was actually discussed upthread here).

 

In other words, we are now getting into round 2

or some might call it doubling down on a strategy (regime change) that hasn’t worked out…..my hope is its escalation to de-escalate…going after Kharg will certainly focus the mind of the money motivated Iranians in the regime who are likely Trump’s best chance of getting an off ramp here from a gamble that just hasn’t paid off for him. 

[Parsad]

3 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 

Of course they have a right to defend themselves.

They sure look pathetic. But they are getting what they deserve.

 

There are a lot of men and women who were born and raised there, that do not support the current government or regime, have no access to fair/equal elections and have neither the means, nor the ability, to change their destiny without outside intervention.  And their children are born into this world under the same conditions.

 

Many of them are at risk of injury or death from what is happening, so let's not be so glib on "what they deserve"!  They aren't beneficiaries of a Golden Dome from U.S. tech...they are a repressed population that lives under the thumb of a theocracy that should no longer exist in this world. 

 

In the worst case scenario, many will die as civilian casualties...not only from Israel and U.S. bombings, but even more probably from attacks/suppression from their own government as they eventually fight to achieve change.  They are in the worst possible position out of every one involved in this war!  Cheers!

[John Hjorth]

3 hours ago, Parsad said:

There are a lot of men and women who were born and raised there, that do not support the current government or regime, have no access to fair/equal elections and have neither the means, nor the ability, to change their destiny without outside intervention.  And their children are born into this world under the same conditions.

 

Many of them are at risk of injury or death from what is happening, so let's not be so glib on "what they deserve"!  They aren't beneficiaries of a Golden Dome from U.S. tech...they are a repressed population that lives under the thumb of a theocracy that should no longer exist in this world. 

 

In the worst case scenario, many will die as civilian casualties...not only from Israel and U.S. bombings, but even more probably from attacks/suppression from their own government as they eventually fight to achieve change.  They are in the worst possible position out of every one involved in this war!  Cheers!

 

This is my primary concern with this, too. Otherwise POTUS for me should be welcome to carry on. It's just so terrible to think about.

[John Hjorth]

By the way :

 

New York Times [March 13^th 2026] : Judge Quashes Justice Dept.’s Subpoenas of Fed, Crippling Its Pursuit of Trump’s Rivals

 

Subtitle : Judge James E. Boasberg derided the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington for pursuing a case against Jerome H. Powell that appeared to be motivated by President Trump’s desire for vengeance.

[Castanza]

@ourkid8 Genuine question. Are you in support of the Iranian theocratic regime or the civilians being oppressed by the regime?  I cannot tell by your responses. I gather you are not in favor of the approach the US and Israel are taking. But that still begs the question…. 

[Spekulatius]

Straight of Hormuz is open, the only thing prohibiting transit

is Iran shooting at ships.

 

[John Hjorth]

@ourkid8,

 

I here just want to express that I personally consider your chiming in here in this topic at this point extremely valuable. Thank you.

Edited March 14 by John Hjorth

[John Hjorth]

14 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

Straight of Hormuz is open, the only thing prohibiting transit is Iran shooting at ships.

 

 

@Spekulatius,

 

As far as I have understood you're an engineer with a Ph.D. degree. So not posted here to patronize you, but anyway. Mathematical approach to Hegseth's statement works great here. No problems at all, I would say. You'll get to the conclusion that the difference is equal. 

[73 Reds]

8 hours ago, dealraker said:

Redsmy posts are never as serious as they read I assure you.  You are enraged that others don't agree with you.  Grow up, be like Cubs dude.  He could care less as to my opinion LOL.  By Kindergarten I was aware others had opinions.  How old are you?

LOL, kind of hard to laugh and be enraged at the same time.   Keep bitching!  

[73 Reds]

21 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

@ourkid8,

 

I here just want to express that I personally consider your chiming in here in this topic at this point extremely valuable. Thank you.

John, he uses the term "zionist" in a clearly derogatory way and has -0- understanding of Middle East history.  Choose the people you pay attention to wisely.

[Spekulatius]

OK, went Polymarket to check the odds of the straight of Hormuz reopening. Chance is 33% by the end of April. Sounds like a disaster if the hive mind there is right.

 

[dealraker]

4 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

LOL, kind of hard to laugh and be enraged at the same time.   Keep bitching!  

Reds you break down too easily to hyper-sensitivity which I find interesting for an attorney.  Come on and man-up to the debate.  Take some time to read your co-conspirator Cubs, the man never breaks down.   He's like arguing with a stone wall!

 

I generally come away from a Cubs jousting with a smile.   Remember that as much as you think you are getting one-up on us non-Trumpers - that in the end we all get the same outcome.  

 

My opinion:  Trump is financially illiterate.  He is by far the greatest ever at being escorted away from accountability by the media that can't help but go to the next issue with him leaving past failures aside.

 

The fun part for me is figuring out where Trump hauls you next Reds.  Anyone who can win your vote on "no wars" and then get your total commitment via a massive war can take you anywhere he desires.

 

We really need a prediction market right here on COBF the politics thread.  Trump badly needs to rip Americans away from Iran, so where's it gunna take us?  It will be dramatic, Trump is the drama queen of our time, he's the best by far!

[73 Reds]

6 minutes ago, dealraker said:

Reds you break down too easily to hyper-sensitivity which I find interesting for an attorney.  Come on and man-up to the debate.  Take some time to read your co-conspirator Cubs, the man never breaks down.   He's like arguing with a stone wall!

 

I generally come away from a Cubs jousting with a smile.   Remember that as much as you think you are getting one-up on us non-Trumpers - that in the end we all get the same outcome.  

 

My opinion:  Trump is financially illiterate.  He is by far the greatest ever at being escorted away from accountability by the media that can't help but go to the next issue with him leaving past failures aside.

 

The fun part for me is figuring out where Trump hauls you next Reds.  Anyone who can win your vote on "no wars" and then get your total commitment via a massive war can take you anywhere he desires.

 

We really need a prediction market right here on COBF the politics thread.  Trump badly needs to rip Americans away from Iran, so where's it gunna take us?  It will be dramatic, Trump is the drama queen of our time, he's the best by far!

You're good for laughs.  Debate?  There is nothing to debate.  You can look at facts or fantasize at your leisure.  Cubs largely cites facts and you offer opinion.  That's OK but don't make it about any more than that because again, you, not us are here bitching.  

[John Hjorth]

25 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

John, he uses the term "zionist" in a clearly derogatory way and has -0- understanding of Middle East history.  Choose the people you pay attention to wisely.

 

I'm aware of that, @73 Reds,

 

I can personally add and deduct, combine and sort information. I have never been in doubt about @ourkid8s personal integrity who has been around here on CofB&F since June 2009, ~16 1/2 years, give or take. A person of few words and posts.

 

I don't put people in one booth because of the use of one word, but try to stay open minded and really try to grasp what that person has on his/her mind.

 

Here @ourkid8 has provided information, that I've never seen before about Iranian internal living conditions, that I did not know before. And I do trust, believe that information is valid and accurate.

 

Disclosure : I'm personally an 'ordinary' Christan, member of official Danish Christian-Protestantic Church, paying churh taxes.

Edited March 14 by John Hjorth

[73 Reds]

7 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

I'm aware of that, @73 Reds,

 

I can personally add and deduct, combine and sort information. I have never been in doubt about @ourkid8s personal integrity who has been around here on CofB&F since June 2009, ~16 1/2 years, give or take. A person of few words and posts.

 

I don't put people in one booth because of the use of one word, but try to stay open minded and really try to grasp what that person has on his/her mind.

 

Here @ourkid8 has provided information, that I've never seen before about Iranian internal living conditions, that I did not know before. And I do trust, believe they are valid and accurate.

Fair enough.  But if he has been here on COBF since 2009, he likely has no better understanding of the current living conditions there than do you and I, who each have the opportunity to speak with Iranians who fled and have friends and family who have lived under that awful regime.

Edited March 14 by 73 Reds
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[Xerxes]

1 hour ago, Castanza said:

@ourkid8 Genuine question. Are you in support of the Iranian theocratic regime or the civilians being oppressed by the regime?  I cannot tell by your responses. I gather you are not in favor of the approach the US and Israel are taking. But that still begs the question…. 

I have the exact same question. 
 

If @ourkid8 was against Israeli brutality toward Palestinians (as I was as well and wasn’t shy in expressing my views) logic suggest the same view toward a brutal theocratic regime. 
 

It is ok not like the Israel/US approach, as I surely don’t like it as well, as they are really just making stuff as they go. But to suggest that the regime in Tehran is anything else the corrupt and brutal is a bridge too far. 


—- side note 

 

Iran population is about 90 million. A good 10-15% regime supporters comes to over 10 million people. Minority in % terms but still millions with control of the security apparatus. 
 

change has to come from within and not Homelander throwing off stats on FOX news to the MAGA Faithful on how many tons of TNT they dropped. 
 

Showing off stats of one destructive path is a sign of weakness not greatness. 
 

on this destructive behaviour I agree with @ourkid8

 

 

 

 

Edited March 14 by Xerxes

[John Hjorth]

6 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Fair enough.  But if he has been here on COBF since 2009, he likely has no better understanding of the current living conditions there than do you and I, who each have the opportunity to speak with Iranians who fled and have friends and family who have lived under that awful regime.

 

@73 Reds,

 

Thank you. Maybe @ourkid8 will fill us in on that, if inclined hereto by this exchange.

 

@ourkid8 has always been straght and to the point.

 

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Disclosure - immaterial to me, and not that it matters : I'm personally a church tax paying [not much] member of the public Danish People's Church, which is  Evangelical Lutheran. I always try to meet a new person in my sphere with a positive opeminded approach, in eye-to-eye height, and take it from there.

[73 Reds]

1 minute ago, John Hjorth said:

 

@73 Reds,

 

Thank you. Maybe @ourkid8 will fill us in on that, if inclined hereto by this exchange.

 

@ourkid8 has always been straght and to the point.

 

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Disclosure - immaterial to me, and not that it matters : I'm personally a church tax paying [not much] member of the public Danish People's Church, which is  Evangelical Lutheran. I always try to meet a new person in my sphere with a positive opeminded approach, in eye-to-eye height, and take it from there.

Agreed about accepting new ideas.  But since I've been on this Board, it is inarguable that his posts on this thread are blatantly anti-semetic and worse.  

[John Hjorth]

5 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Agreed about accepting new ideas.  But since I've been on this Board, it is inarguable that his posts on this thread are blatantly anti-semetic and worse.  

 

@73 Reds,

 

If we really enter religious territory here on CofB&F, we will need to file at Sanjeev [ @Parsad ] modification requests  adding drones, Scudd misiles, Tomahawk missiles, fligth carriers software additions etc. to CofB&F and it will not end well.

 

I just try my best to respect everyones religious orientation [including yours], to avoid offending anyone, not to stir the pot here on CofB&F with such.

[73 Reds]

1 minute ago, John Hjorth said:

 

@73 Reds,

 

If we really enter religious territory here on CofB&F, we will need to file at Sanjeev [ @Parsad ] modification requests  adding drones, Scudd misiles, Tomahawk missiles, fligth carriers software additions etc. to CofB&F and it will not end well.

 

I just try my best to respect everyones religious orientation [including yours], to avoid offending anyone, not to stir the pot here on CofB&F with such.

From one of his latest posts (John, if you or anyone here doesn't find these words abhorrent, I don't know what to say other than I thought this Board had a monitor):

 

<<I was under the impression you Zionists/ Epstein class were trying to free the people. I guess your true colours are coming out.>>

 

[dealraker]

 

Our next place we go from Iran people is mid-terms.  This is the biggest threat to Trump so expect some highlights.  Timing as to when this becomes our obsessive focus (Agent Orange will grab the media's balls with a vengeance here) is hard to predict, but a few months or one way or another is a small thing.

 

Trump is going to rip your existing world to shreds on this one.  Gunna be hard for a lot of people, particularly women most likely, to vote.  Can the Donald ram SAVE down our throats or will he assert his will via some other method?  

 

My guess is that the number of voters relative to the population will hit an all time low.

[John Hjorth]

4 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

From one of his latest posts (John, if you or anyone here doesn't find these words abhorrent, I don't know what to say other than I thought this Board had a monitor):

 

<<I was under the impression you Zionists/ Epstein class were trying to free the people. I guess your true colours are coming out.>>

 

@73 Reds,

 

If I have offended you with the above from me, I hereby apologize. I can assure you, that was not my intention. I just hope this doesen't affect the quality of your Saturday.

 

If some posts here on CofB&F are offensive to you, I would suggest you to use the report feature in upper right corner of that specific post, and Sanjeev [ @Parsad ] will look into it, and get back to you.

[73 Reds]

7 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

@73 Reds,

 

If I have offended you with the above from me, I hereby apologize. I can assure you, that was not my intention. I just hope this doesen't affect the quality of your Saturday.

 

If some posts here on CofB&F are offensive to you, I would suggest you to use the report feature in upper right corner of that specific post, and Sanjeev [ @Parsad ] will look into it, and get back to you.

John, your posts are not at all offensive - sorry if I came across that way.  OTOH, his posts are VERY offensive and demonstrate ignorance of a magnitude hard to top .  Since this is a Board of members, I have no problem with any member reading this - not just the person being reported to.

[SharperDingaan]

22 minutes ago, dealraker said:

Trump is going to rip your existing world to shreds on this one.  Gunna be hard for a lot of people, particularly women most likely, to vote.  Can the Donald ram SAVE down our throats or will he assert his will via some other method?  

 

 

Until now, Orange Boy has always been able to escape his disruption caused. But Iran is a 'tar baby', he has trapped himself, and has now begun to drown. Friday's doubling down were the first thrashings of a man who can't swim .

 

Crude futures run up next week, there ain't no SPR release to bail him out. This time out It'll be relaxation of tariffs, UK/French ships escorting Iranian cargo's out, and extended relaxation of Russian o/g sanctions. SOH closed for another week.

 

Every godfather knows .... capos are there to take the blame. When that doesn't work, partners; maybe Netanyahu's rumoured demise becomes a reality .... fog of war, etc. And when doesn't work ....

 

SD

[cubsfan]

8 hours ago, Parsad said:

 

There are a lot of men and women who were born and raised there, that do not support the current government or regime, have no access to fair/equal elections and have neither the means, nor the ability, to change their destiny without outside intervention.  And their children are born into this world under the same conditions.

 

Many of them are at risk of injury or death from what is happening, so let's not be so glib on "what they deserve"!  They aren't beneficiaries of a Golden Dome from U.S. tech...they are a repressed population that lives under the thumb of a theocracy that should no longer exist in this world. 

 

In the worst case scenario, many will die as civilian casualties...not only from Israel and U.S. bombings, but even more probably from attacks/suppression from their own government as they eventually fight to achieve change.  They are in the worst possible position out of every one involved in this war!  Cheers!

 

My mistake, I thought it was self evident that I was talking about the regime that @ourkid8 seems to adore.  Those scumbags that have the right to "self defense" - yet have destroyed nations like Iraq, Syria, Gaza, Lebanon, etc.

 

They are definitely getting what they deserve and the world will be much safer.

 

You can thank Trump & Israel later!