Castanza Posted March 14 Posted March 14 (edited) @ourkid8 A test… Scenario One: Iran has nuclear weapons. Israel disbands its military and sells all of their offensive and defensive equipment. They say they will exist peacefully hence forth. It is guaranteed there will be peace from Israel hence forth. Does Iran take advantage of this situation or do they choose to coexist? Scenario Two: Israel has nuclear weapons. Iran says they will disband their military, stop the funding of terrorist groups, sell all of their offensive and defensive equipment. Democratically elect new leadership. Assume there is 100% chance peace is carried forward from Iran hence forth. Does Israel take advantage of this situation or do they choose to coexist? edit: I also think your claim of citizens supporting the regime is bullshit. Basij forces are actively telling citizens if they go to the streets they will be killed. Israel is actively starting covert operations to take out lower level leadership. Edited March 14 by Castanza
73 Reds Posted March 14 Posted March 14 4 minutes ago, Castanza said: @ourkid8 A test… Scenario One: Iran has nuclear weapons. Israel disbands its military and sells all of their offensive and defensive equipment. They say they will exist peacefully hence forth. It is guaranteed there will be peace from Israel hence forth. Does Iran take advantage of this situation or do they choose to coexist? Scenario Two: Israel has nuclear weapons. Iran says they will disband their military, stop the funding of terrorist groups, sell all of their offensive and defensive equipment. Democratically elect new leadership. Assume there is 100% chance peace is carried forward from Iran hence forth. Does Israel take advantage of this situation or do they choose to coexist? @Castanza Why bother? He needs "proof" that tens of thousands Iranian protestors were slaughtered in recent weeks. Evidently he's never heard of Hamas and Hezbollah, among others. Just like you can't do business with terrorists, you can't have a constructive conversation with their supporters. Sadly, he seems to have a voice here.
John Hjorth Posted March 14 Posted March 14 I consider myself out of the ongoing exchange here on CofB&F about Iran, from here, onwards, by now. Please don't set CofB&F on fire! Please don't burn CofB&F down!
73 Reds Posted March 14 Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: I consider myself out of the ongoing exchange here on CofB&F about Iran, from here, onwards, by now. Please don't set CofB&F on fire! Please don't burn CofB&F down! John, I feel that sometimes it is necessary to take a stand. No one intends to burn anything down. When someone openly supports hate, murder and regimes that call for the death of America and Israel, that person has no place here. I've said my piece.
Blake Hampton Posted March 14 Posted March 14 (edited) Just a reminder, the United States is still a net importer of crude oil. We're only a net exporter when you also consider NGLs, renewable fuels, etc: EIA: Weekly Petroleum Status Report Edited March 14 by Blake Hampton
Blake Hampton Posted March 14 Posted March 14 ^ During a time of near record domestic production I might add ^
SharperDingaan Posted March 14 Posted March 14 26 minutes ago, changegonnacome said: Perhaps some of our O&G experts can explain how long it takes $120 spot oil to flow through to $4+ gas at the pump? Ordinarily, a few days at most ... as every fuel supplier will instantly raise prices to get a windfall out of the existing inventory. By the end of the week there would be a national cap on the amount that can be charged, and a steep rise in the futures curve; downstream losses recouped upstream SD
cubsfan Posted March 14 Posted March 14 1 minute ago, Blake Hampton said: ^ During a time of near record domestic production I might add ^ Blake - I sure we will survive. Higher gas prices in exchange for a neutered Iran? I'll take it!
Parsad Posted March 14 Posted March 14 5 hours ago, Spekulatius said: Straight of Hormuz is open, the only thing prohibiting transit is Iran shooting at ships. LOL! And I thought Noem was a moron. It seems like Trump hired Gary Busey to run DOD! Cheers!
Blake Hampton Posted March 14 Posted March 14 Just now, cubsfan said: Blake - I sure we will survive. Higher gas prices in exchange for a neutered Iran? I'll take it! We will survive. But just like our great commander-in-chief, some who even say is the greatest, America seems as arrogant as it gets right now. As Trump might say, I don't know if we have the cards.
Blake Hampton Posted March 14 Posted March 14 4 minutes ago, Parsad said: LOL! And I thought Noem was a moron. It seems like Trump hired Gary Busey to run DOD! Cheers! It's the Department of War now libtard.
Parsad Posted March 14 Posted March 14 3 hours ago, cubsfan said: My mistake, I thought it was self evident that I was talking about the regime that @ourkid8 seems to adore. Those scumbags that have the right to "self defense" - yet have destroyed nations like Iraq, Syria, Gaza, Lebanon, etc. They are definitely getting what they deserve and the world will be much safer. You can thank Trump & Israel later! I agree with you that the regime is getting what it deserved. I just don't everyone to be loose and fast with the repercussions falling on the people actually most vulnerable...the citizens in Iran who abhor everything about their government, but have neither the means, nor legal avenues, to change it without having their lives put at great risk. It is something they will have to eventually decide...but there will be enormous cost whichever way it goes...and probably another lost generation for them. Cheers!
Parsad Posted March 14 Posted March 14 2 hours ago, ourkid8 said: Attacks/suppression from their own government? This is just not true and propaganda which is manufactured by foreign media/governments. I wish I could take you to Iran and you will change your mind. Its a civilized society and you are making them sound barbaric. I never said they were barbaric. The people of virtually every country in the world are no different than our own countries...they have the same desires, wishes for their family and children, etc. That being said, the government just killed 7,000 people during the most recent protests...that number is closer to 30,000 from other sources inside Iran...I'm guessing you weren't in Iran then? That might not be barbaric in your view, but it certainly is suppression, murder, without due process...whatever you want to call it. We had three people die by ICE's hand and it was a national calamity, but 7,000 killed is civilized society? You and Cubs are on the opposite ends of the spectrum...neither one taking reality into actual account! Each pushing a higher moral superiority than the other. There are few things in this world that are black and white...and this is probably one of them. Cheers!
Parsad Posted March 14 Posted March 14 2 hours ago, Spekulatius said: I guess it’s the same “stability” that Putin and Kim Jong Un provide. All of the above are killing their own people by the ten thousands , so they are not regimes any more, they are a tyrannies . They deserve to get removed but that’s easier said than done. I think most people will lose you when you are supporting this religious demagogues and tyrants. Thats not to say that I think Trump’s approach is a great one here, however it if it works, it’s great outcome. Most Iranian people in the diaspora and probably in Iran itself will agree. Although I do think the regime has quite a bit of support from a significant part of the population in Iran even at this point.. +1! Yup. Cheers!
changegonnacome Posted March 14 Posted March 14 21 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said: as every fuel supplier will instantly raise prices to get a windfall out of the existing inventory. Right - and I guess in their defense each fuel supplier for future inventory refills is facing exploding working capital requirements which needs to be part funded by sweating the existing inventory! Its funny the BBB architects designed it beautifully to deliver nice big chunky tax refunds in April......looks like a good chunk of that surprise tax refunds that were meant to delight midterm voters with a Trump 'dividend' are going to have to be spent on a surprise energy shock expenses created by none other than the same guy - Captain Chaos
John Hjorth Posted March 14 Posted March 14 22 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: John, I feel that sometimes it is necessary to take a stand. No one intends to burn anything down. When someone openly supports hate, murder and regimes that call for the death of America and Israel, that person has no place here. I've said my piece. @73 Reds, If we tried to settle the conflict evident here, by locking you and your adversary up in a locker room here, -no food, no water, one of you would be dead, the other one of you barely a live, each of you just waiting for the other person to die! LOLz! And you would both still be farly polite towards eahcother, untill the very end! Reminds me of Danish marital lesgislation : Stong reasons for divorce : 1 Infidelity, called for by the cheated [No way go way get a divorce by just going down town and go totally crazy Friday night!], 2 Mutual irreconcilable disagreements, agreed on by both, that they exist, 3 Hubby not doing what hubby is supposed to do once in a while, now and then [this is killling me ! ] on the initimate level, same for wifey. [I remember being very active with lots of questions about it when I was at the university, the law professor being very tired about such questions! ]. - - - o 0 o - - - Please think about it, @73 Reds. Is It worth it here? [bullet # 2].
Parsad Posted March 14 Posted March 14 1 hour ago, ourkid8 said: Fake news and propaganda. Please see a video on X from Bushra who is not wearing a hijab and walking freely. Anyone who has actually been to Iran are aware what you sharing is lies and hate This is not accurate...it's like someone putting up a Youtube video eating Big Macs for a month and not dying of a heart attack. The same thing happens in India and Muslim countries. Most people recognize foreigners and it isn't enforced and they aren't attacked for their dress. But if you live in villages, communities, even major cities, the cat-calling, assaults, etc are real in many places. Tehran is also a fairly cosmopolitan city like Mumbai, Dubai, etc...the restrictive nature of the theocracy isn't as self-evident there...it's enforced through religious indoctrination, elections, suppression of protests, restriction of media, etc. Cheers!
Parsad Posted March 14 Posted March 14 25 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said: It's the Department of War now libtard. I feel emasculated! Cheers!
Parsad Posted March 14 Posted March 14 5 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said: Arguing with Cubs be like: You are missing a Yankees hat on the guy and a Cubs hat on the statue! Cheers!
Blake Hampton Posted March 14 Posted March 14 7 minutes ago, Parsad said: You are missing a Yankees hat on the guy and a Cubs hat on the statue! Cheers! Arguing with Cubs be like:
Parsad Posted March 14 Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said: Arguing with Cubs be like: Perfect! Now tell him how many rings the Yankees have and how many the Cubs have...he'll punch you in the face! Cheers!
John Hjorth Posted March 14 Posted March 14 Blake [ @Blake Hampton ], Mike [ @cubsfan ] is quite thick-skinned, experienced, mature, grown-up, likely close double your age, very successful investor and can likely take this. But if Mike feel offended, you owe him an apology, in my book. What makes CofB&F going around is different options, different angles, different approaches and discussions interpartes between the disagreeing.
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