Parsad Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 2 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: To the Israeli's, they are undercover Hamaas operatives, similar to all the woman / children / journalist / humanitarians etc... that have been massacred. SMH. I see the other side as well...why not turn over the remaining hostages as a show of good will? If Israel attacks after that, the world will turn against them. But if Israel allows a ceasefire and humanitarian aid once the hostages are returned, then we at least have some hope for both sides. Why isn't Hamas turning over the remaining hostages? Cheers!
ourkid8 Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, Parsad said: I see the other side as well...why not turn over the remaining hostages as a show of good will? If Israel attacks after that, the world will turn against them. But if Israel allows a ceasefire and humanitarian aid once the hostages are returned, then we at least have some hope for both sides. Why isn't Hamas turning over the remaining hostages? Cheers! Israeli cabinet ministers are saying starve the ppl of Gaza, their former PM is saying they are committing war crimes. The ICC has issued arrest warrants for the PM and former defence minister accusing them for war crimes and crimes against humanity. This is not a legitimate government that you can negotiate with. I am not supporting hamaas here but the situation here is beyond reprehensible. The world is/ has turned against them, Israelis just don’t know it yet. btw, do you know how many Palestinians are held in Israeli prisons without trial? Edited May 28, 2025 by ourkid8
Parsad Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 1 hour ago, ourkid8 said: Israeli cabinet ministers are saying starve the ppl of Gaza, their former PM is saying they are committing war crimes. The ICC has issued arrest warrants for the PM and former defence minister accusing them for war crimes and crimes against humanity. This is not a legitimate government that you can negotiate with. I am not supporting hamaas here but the situation here is beyond reprehensible. The world is/ has turned against them, Israelis just don’t know it yet. btw, do you know how many Palestinians are held in Israeli prisons without trial? The thing is that Bibi has the people's support. At least until the hostages are released. Bibi has Trump's support...whether the hostages are released or not. That means Bibi will still be provided the artillery they need to wipe out Hamas. The longer it goes...the more innocents will die. Hamas does not want to give up control. They know they will lose a great deal, but how much. They don't honestly care about the lives of the innocents, as long as their cause is fulfilled or they will live to fight another day. That is why Hamas doesn't give up the remaining hostages. It is their only bargaining chip left, since Bibi has shown he does not put the lives of the innocents above the lives of Israelis. And if that is the tradeoff, the people will support Bibi until his last breath. Bibi also knows his time is done when the people stop supporting him...so the lives of Israeli's it is versus the lives of innocents. Cheers!
Blugolds Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 19 hours ago, Parsad said: I see the other side as well...why not turn over the remaining hostages as a show of good will? If Israel attacks after that, the world will turn against them. But if Israel allows a ceasefire and humanitarian aid once the hostages are returned, then we at least have some hope for both sides. Why isn't Hamas turning over the remaining hostages? Cheers! Israel broke the last ceasefire! What incentive does Hamas have to offer goodwill to a gov that has done nothing but lie. This conflict didnt start Oct 7th it has been going on for decades. Israel kills, kidnaps, denies food and water, acts generous by giving a starvation + ration of food when they do allow it...give me a break. Im not a Hamas supporter but I can understand why they are angry. Imagine your entire family, your kids etc are killed in a random airstrike or murdered by trigger happy soldiers "mowing the grass" your home is stolen or destroyed, your family has lived there for 100+ years but some settler from NY thinks he wants to live/claim your farm and has the escort of Israeli soldiers to do as he pleases, maybe he beats your grandmother in front of you at gunpoint. These are all common place, if you take literally everything away from people and treat them like animals what do you expect? They have nothing left! Just imagine if the roles were reversed. If Israel didnt have the backing of the US and were poor. Imagine if another country kept Jews in an open air prison, starved them, killed them daily, withheld food, water, medicine, imagine this went on for decades! Who could stand for that? Nobody! In fact it sounds very similar to past history. Imagine some of those jewish prisoners resisted their treatment with violence, would that resistance be just? Look at the pictures of kids starving, KIDS starving, thousands of them dead already and those still alive, starving. Its such BS because people lump all of the Palestinians in with Hamas, and blame them for "their gov" but most werent even alive, let alone voting age when Hamas was elected, and Palestinians are protesting Hamas! So what is the rebuttal then? You justify killing and starving a couple million people because they are all to blame right? All Americans responsible for the actions of Biden/Trump? They voted for them! Israel funded Hamas via Qatar for years..why? Israeli method of dealing with a school shooter would be to bomb the entire school and kill the other kids and teachers too. But its "ok" because they got the mass shooter. And lets stop with any disagreement with the current extreme Israeli gov says as Antisemitic. Even from their own! Any disagreement labeled a self loathing jew or antisemitic, Bernie Sanders the antisemite, former PM a self loathing Jew! What a joke! And before someone tries to lump me in with Antisemites or pro Hamas supporters, one of the men in my life, a teacher, mentor, friend and one of the most interesting men I have ever known in my life, is a Hungarian Jew! He and his mother escaped the Nazis only because his grandfather was the captain of a ship (his grandfather served under Edward Smith, captain of the Titanic!) I know/love many Jewish people, I've been in Anne Franks home, I wouldnt hesitate to hide them in the 30's. I do believe the Israelis have a right to exist, and a right to protect themselves, I also believe the same for the Palestinians. This is far beyond self preservation. I hope that someday there can be a two state solution. Using starvation as a tactic is SICK and twisted, it was SICK when the Nazis did it to the Jews and its sick when Israel does it to the Palestinians. If anybody thinks this is justified and there is no other way...I think you're a psychopath. This is fine right? Just protecting themselves from these future terrorists! Imagine being a parent and seeing your children like this.
Parsad Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 8 minutes ago, Blugolds said: Israel broke the last ceasefire! What incentive does Hamas have to offer goodwill to a gov that has done nothing but lie. This conflict didnt start Oct 7th it has been going on for decades. Israel kills, kidnaps, denies food and water, acts generous by giving a starvation + ration of food when they do allow it...give me a break. Im not a Hamas supporter but I can understand why they are angry. Imagine your entire family, your kids etc are killed in a random airstrike or murdered by trigger happy soldiers "mowing the grass" your home is stolen or destroyed, your family has lived there for 100+ years but some settler from NY thinks he wants to live/claim your farm and has the escort of Israeli soldiers to do as he pleases, maybe he beats your grandmother in front of you at gunpoint. These are all common place, if you take literally everything away from people and treat them like animals what do you expect? They have nothing left! Just imagine if the roles were reversed. If Israel didnt have the backing of the US and were poor. Imagine if another country kept Jews in an open air prison, starved them, killed them daily, withheld food, water, medicine, imagine this went on for decades! Who could stand for that? Nobody! In fact it sounds very similar to past history. Imagine some of those jewish prisoners resisted their treatment with violence, would that resistance be just? Look at the pictures of kids starving, KIDS starving, thousands of them dead already and those still alive, starving. Its such BS because people lump all of the Palestinians in with Hamas, and blame them for "their gov" but most werent even alive, let alone voting age when Hamas was elected, and Palestinians are protesting Hamas! So what is the rebuttal then? You justify killing and starving a couple million people because they are all to blame right? All Americans responsible for the actions of Biden/Trump? They voted for them! Israel funded Hamas via Qatar for years..why? Israeli method of dealing with a school shooter would be to bomb the entire school and kill the other kids and teachers too. But its "ok" because they got the mass shooter. And lets stop with any disagreement with the current extreme Israeli gov says as Antisemitic. Even from their own! Any disagreement labeled a self loathing jew or antisemitic, Bernie Sanders the antisemite, former PM a self loathing Jew! What a joke! And before someone tries to lump me in with Antisemites or pro Hamas supporters, one of the men in my life, a teacher, mentor, friend and one of the most interesting men I have ever known in my life, is a Hungarian Jew! He and his mother escaped the Nazis only because his grandfather was the captain of a ship (his grandfather served under Edward Smith, captain of the Titanic!) I know/love many Jewish people, I've been in Anne Franks home, I wouldnt hesitate to hide them in the 30's. I do believe the Israelis have a right to exist, and a right to protect themselves, I also believe the same for the Palestinians. This is far beyond self preservation. I hope that someday there can be a two state solution. Using starvation as a tactic is SICK and twisted, it was SICK when the Nazis did it to the Jews and its sick when Israel does it to the Palestinians. If anybody thinks this is justified and there is no other way...I think you're a psychopath. This is fine right? Just protecting themselves from these future terrorists! Imagine being a parent and seeing your children like this. I agree with you Blugolds, but does Hamas sell some aid for funding for weapons? What about the billions they have skimmed off global aid to Palestine? If their people are starving, it's partly because Hamas has put the annihilation of Israel over the lives of their people. I think both sides have been guilty of betraying peace talks and cease fires. I have no interest in seeing children starve or die. But the sad fact remains that Israel has the money, the power, the clout and a leader doing everything to stay in power. Only when things end will the world be able to take on Bibi as a war criminal. And the way things are stacked...that only happens with the end of Hamas. Cheers!
Blugolds Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 5 minutes ago, Parsad said: I agree with you Blugolds, but does Hamas sell some aid for funding for weapons? What about the billions they have skimmed off global aid to Palestine? If their people are starving, it's partly because Hamas has put the annihilation of Israel over the lives of their people. I think both sides have been guilty of betraying peace talks and cease fires. I have no interest in seeing children starve or die. But the sad fact remains that Israel has the money, the power, the clout and a leader doing everything to stay in power. Only when things end will the world be able to take on Bibi as a war criminal. And the way things are stacked...that only happens with the end of Hamas. Cheers! Then its the chicken or the egg...Do the people starve because of Hamas, or does Hamas exist because the people are killed/starve? I agree, Hamas is not the answer, but I can see why there is a resistance to the abuse. Negotiation is not possible when neither party has any intent to negotiate in good faith, and both parties would be quick to point out that describes the "other side". The fact is, there is one dominant aggressor here, as you said, with more money, power etc. If Israel wanted to abolish Hamas it would start with treating the Palestinians as humans, give them a quality of life. The more stakes in conformity people have, the less undesirable behavior. But as long as they are treated as sub-human, resistance will exist, thats human nature, so here we are back to the original dilemma. The majority of Palestinians are stuck in the middle between Israeli gov and Hamas, with no money/power to do anything.
Xerxes Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 3 hours ago, Parsad said: I agree with you Blugolds, but does Hamas sell some aid for funding for weapons? What about the billions they have skimmed off global aid to Palestine? If their people are starving, it's partly because Hamas has put the annihilation of Israel over the lives of their people. I think both sides have been guilty of betraying peace talks and cease fires. I have no interest in seeing children starve or die. But the sad fact remains that Israel has the money, the power, the clout and a leader doing everything to stay in power. Only when things end will the world be able to take on Bibi as a war criminal. And the way things are stacked...that only happens with the end of Hamas. Cheers! How did the Americans were able to defeat ISIS in the mid 2010s or even break the Iraqi insurgency back in the late 2000s before that. By allying with the locals. By showing that they kind of gave a damn, in their own twisted ways. Why Americans were ideologically ok to ally with the locals to uproot the evil ? As oppose to “starve” Iraq until the leaders of insurgency have bowed down. Because Americans had no claim on the land. When you have no “ideological” skin in the game, you think pragmatically. In Gaza, Israel has a messianic claim and it’s going through this massive internal debate of what it wants to be. A pariah state with expanding borders, or not. Therefor, this is more far more than just “yay release the hostages and you will be fine”
73 Reds Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 4 hours ago, Parsad said: I agree with you Blugolds, but does Hamas sell some aid for funding for weapons? What about the billions they have skimmed off global aid to Palestine? If their people are starving, it's partly because Hamas has put the annihilation of Israel over the lives of their people. I think both sides have been guilty of betraying peace talks and cease fires. I have no interest in seeing children starve or die. But the sad fact remains that Israel has the money, the power, the clout and a leader doing everything to stay in power. Only when things end will the world be able to take on Bibi as a war criminal. And the way things are stacked...that only happens with the end of Hamas. Cheers! There is no moral equivalency between Israel and terrorist animals. Why is Bibi even an issue? He has the support of the Israeli people. He doesn't care what anyone in any part of the World thinks. Do people understand that there are innocent casualties in war? Israel didn't start this war but they will finish it. If any of you had terrorists as neighbors with an undeniable intent to destroy you, perhaps you'd understand.
DooDiligence Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 40 minutes ago, Xerxes said: How did the Americans were able to defeat ISIS in the mid 2010s or even break the Iraqi insurgency back in the late 2000s before that. By allying with the locals. By showing that they kind of gave a damn, in their own twisted ways. Why Americans were ideologically ok to ally with the locals to uproot the evil ? As oppose to “starve” Iraq until the leaders of insurgency have bowed down. Because Americans had no claim on the land. When you have no “ideological” skin in the game, you think pragmatically. In Gaza, Israel has a messianic claim and it’s going through this massive internal debate of what it wants to be. A pariah state with expanding borders, or not. Therefor, this is more far more than just “yay release the hostages and you will be fine”
cubsfan Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 6 hours ago, Blugolds said: Israel broke the last ceasefire! What incentive does Hamas have to offer goodwill to a gov that has done nothing but lie. This conflict didnt start Oct 7th it has been going on for decades. Israel kills, kidnaps, denies food and water, acts generous by giving a starvation + ration of food when they do allow it...give me a break. Im not a Hamas supporter but I can understand why they are angry. Imagine your entire family, your kids etc are killed in a random airstrike or murdered by trigger happy soldiers "mowing the grass" your home is stolen or destroyed, your family has lived there for 100+ years but some settler from NY thinks he wants to live/claim your farm and has the escort of Israeli soldiers to do as he pleases, maybe he beats your grandmother in front of you at gunpoint. These are all common place, if you take literally everything away from people and treat them like animals what do you expect? They have nothing left! Just imagine if the roles were reversed. If Israel didnt have the backing of the US and were poor. Imagine if another country kept Jews in an open air prison, starved them, killed them daily, withheld food, water, medicine, imagine this went on for decades! Who could stand for that? Nobody! In fact it sounds very similar to past history. Imagine some of those jewish prisoners resisted their treatment with violence, would that resistance be just? Look at the pictures of kids starving, KIDS starving, thousands of them dead already and those still alive, starving. Its such BS because people lump all of the Palestinians in with Hamas, and blame them for "their gov" but most werent even alive, let alone voting age when Hamas was elected, and Palestinians are protesting Hamas! So what is the rebuttal then? You justify killing and starving a couple million people because they are all to blame right? All Americans responsible for the actions of Biden/Trump? They voted for them! Israel funded Hamas via Qatar for years..why? Israeli method of dealing with a school shooter would be to bomb the entire school and kill the other kids and teachers too. But its "ok" because they got the mass shooter. And lets stop with any disagreement with the current extreme Israeli gov says as Antisemitic. Even from their own! Any disagreement labeled a self loathing jew or antisemitic, Bernie Sanders the antisemite, former PM a self loathing Jew! What a joke! And before someone tries to lump me in with Antisemites or pro Hamas supporters, one of the men in my life, a teacher, mentor, friend and one of the most interesting men I have ever known in my life, is a Hungarian Jew! He and his mother escaped the Nazis only because his grandfather was the captain of a ship (his grandfather served under Edward Smith, captain of the Titanic!) I know/love many Jewish people, I've been in Anne Franks home, I wouldnt hesitate to hide them in the 30's. I do believe the Israelis have a right to exist, and a right to protect themselves, I also believe the same for the Palestinians. This is far beyond self preservation. I hope that someday there can be a two state solution. Using starvation as a tactic is SICK and twisted, it was SICK when the Nazis did it to the Jews and its sick when Israel does it to the Palestinians. If anybody thinks this is justified and there is no other way...I think you're a psychopath. This is fine right? Just protecting themselves from these future terrorists! Imagine being a parent and seeing your children like this. Oh that's a good one. Billions of dollars given to the Palestinians as aid - and they choose to build a massive underground war machine & rocket facilities/factories. So Hamas steals all the money from the citizens for the purposes of launching a war, while murdering any moderates and canceling elections. You gotta love those videos of GAZA Palestinians dancing in the streets after Oct 7th celebrating the slaughter. Those poor, poor terrorists. Rest assured, this will be over soon, and life will have permanently changed for these foolish people.
lnofeisone Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 5 hours ago, Blugolds said: Israel broke the last ceasefire! What incentive does Hamas have to offer goodwill to a gov that has done nothing but lie. This conflict didnt start Oct 7th it has been going on for decades. Israel kills, kidnaps, denies food and water, acts generous by giving a starvation + ration of food when they do allow it...give me a break. Im not a Hamas supporter but I can understand why they are angry. Imagine your entire family, your kids etc are killed in a random airstrike or murdered by trigger happy soldiers "mowing the grass" your home is stolen or destroyed, your family has lived there for 100+ years but some settler from NY thinks he wants to live/claim your farm and has the escort of Israeli soldiers to do as he pleases, maybe he beats your grandmother in front of you at gunpoint. These are all common place, if you take literally everything away from people and treat them like animals what do you expect? They have nothing left! Just imagine if the roles were reversed. If Israel didnt have the backing of the US and were poor. Imagine if another country kept Jews in an open air prison, starved them, killed them daily, withheld food, water, medicine, imagine this went on for decades! Who could stand for that? Nobody! In fact it sounds very similar to past history. Imagine some of those jewish prisoners resisted their treatment with violence, would that resistance be just? Look at the pictures of kids starving, KIDS starving, thousands of them dead already and those still alive, starving. Its such BS because people lump all of the Palestinians in with Hamas, and blame them for "their gov" but most werent even alive, let alone voting age when Hamas was elected, and Palestinians are protesting Hamas! So what is the rebuttal then? You justify killing and starving a couple million people because they are all to blame right? All Americans responsible for the actions of Biden/Trump? They voted for them! Israel funded Hamas via Qatar for years..why? Israeli method of dealing with a school shooter would be to bomb the entire school and kill the other kids and teachers too. But its "ok" because they got the mass shooter. And lets stop with any disagreement with the current extreme Israeli gov says as Antisemitic. Even from their own! Any disagreement labeled a self loathing jew or antisemitic, Bernie Sanders the antisemite, former PM a self loathing Jew! What a joke! And before someone tries to lump me in with Antisemites or pro Hamas supporters, one of the men in my life, a teacher, mentor, friend and one of the most interesting men I have ever known in my life, is a Hungarian Jew! He and his mother escaped the Nazis only because his grandfather was the captain of a ship (his grandfather served under Edward Smith, captain of the Titanic!) I know/love many Jewish people, I've been in Anne Franks home, I wouldnt hesitate to hide them in the 30's. I do believe the Israelis have a right to exist, and a right to protect themselves, I also believe the same for the Palestinians. This is far beyond self preservation. I hope that someday there can be a two state solution. Using starvation as a tactic is SICK and twisted, it was SICK when the Nazis did it to the Jews and its sick when Israel does it to the Palestinians. If anybody thinks this is justified and there is no other way...I think you're a psychopath. This is fine right? Just protecting themselves from these future terrorists! Imagine being a parent and seeing your children like this. These are real bad faith arguments here @Blugolds. The 2nd and 3rd pictures show kids who have diseases - one has cystic fibrosis and the second one has lipodystrophy. They require special diets and can't consume food that is readily available. Pro-palestinian propaganda always does this. Are you hoping that most of the readers won't look it up or are you hoping that we don't know? The roles are reversed @Blugolds. How many jews live in Gaza? How many live and own property in Jordan? Egypt? Lebanon? Should I show you pictures of what Palestinians do to soldiers who accidentally drive into the West Bank and get detained in jail? You really want to see a picture of some animal behavior where a soldier's heart was ripped out of his chest? Gazans were not starved before Oct 7th or after. Hell, one of the fastest growing industries in Gaza before the war was - drumroll - weight loss clinics. Does that sound like starvation? Look at the student who went on a hunger strike for 9 days, and she fainted and had to be transported to the hospital. Do Gazans look like they are fainting? They are absolutely suffering because they are in a warzone, but to say they are starving is VERY far from the truth.
DooDiligence Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 What I don't understand is why these people don't just open up a Barnhill's Buffet? Fucking peasants, go figure. /s
Blugolds Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 56 minutes ago, lnofeisone said: These are real bad faith arguments here @Blugolds. The 2nd and 3rd pictures show kids who have diseases - one has cystic fibrosis and the second one has lipodystrophy. They require special diets and can't consume food that is readily available. Pro-palestinian propaganda always does this. Are you hoping that most of the readers won't look it up or are you hoping that we don't know? The roles are reversed @Blugolds. How many jews live in Gaza? How many live and own property in Jordan? Egypt? Lebanon? Should I show you pictures of what Palestinians do to soldiers who accidentally drive into the West Bank and get detained in jail? You really want to see a picture of some animal behavior where a soldier's heart was ripped out of his chest? Gazans were not starved before Oct 7th or after. Hell, one of the fastest growing industries in Gaza before the war was - drumroll - weight loss clinics. Does that sound like starvation? Look at the student who went on a hunger strike for 9 days, and she fainted and had to be transported to the hospital. Do Gazans look like they are fainting? They are absolutely suffering because they are in a warzone, but to say they are starving is VERY far from the truth. Hoping most readers wont look it up? I dont even know what lipodystrophy is and if we’re being honest I would have to refresh my memory on cystic fibrosis I seem to remember a lot of difficulty breathing and back slapping to break up mucus or something..but Im not a Doctor, seems like you might be…either way it seems as though you are claiming these pictures misleading at best and fraudulent at worst. Ok Got it. Perhaps they are all just propaganda. I will concede that I am not qualified to accurately determine the condition/diagnosis' of the above pictures. Why the hell would any Jews want to live in Gaza? I certainly wouldnt want to live in Gaza, not because of the people, because there is a good chance I’d be killed by dropped bombs or shot…seems like odds of that increase if I was wearing a PRESS jacket.. You are telling me that Israeli soldiers accidentally drive into the West Bank and get detained by Palestinians…I find that extremely hard to believe that soldiers of the most powerful mitiary in the region, with the best technology in the region, if not the world, accidentally wander in and get themselves detained. I also find it hard to believe that Palestinians are ripping hearts out of chests…but IF that is true, yes that is incredibly barbaric and psychotic. I do find it hard to believe though. . Also to be clear…I am not the one who is saying they are starving…Im just looking at the pictures and reports coming from all over the world via various news agencies…this isnt Blugoldnews. Com here…these are major news agencies all over the world, the World Health Organization and the United Nations…but perhaps that is all just antisemitism? Also France, UK, Canada saying whoa guys, lets some fucking food in there this is bad…hell even Germany had the balls to mention it. Hell Trump even said “a lot of people are starving” but I suppose that was hyperbole? So either your facts are wrong and its not VERY far from the truth, or literally the entire rest of the world says what is happening is fucked up and Israel is going too far…
lnofeisone Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 8 hours ago, Blugolds said: Hoping most readers wont look it up? I dont even know what lipodystrophy is and if we’re being honest I would have to refresh my memory on cystic fibrosis I seem to remember a lot of difficulty breathing and back slapping to break up mucus or something..but Im not a Doctor, seems like you might be…either way it seems as though you are claiming these pictures misleading at best and fraudulent at worst. Ok Got it. Perhaps they are all just propaganda. I will concede that I am not qualified to accurately determine the condition/diagnosis' of the above pictures. You are welcome to look these up. They are propaganda to the max. 8 hours ago, Blugolds said: Why the hell would any Jews want to live in Gaza? I certainly wouldnt want to live in Gaza, not because of the people, because there is a good chance I’d be killed by dropped bombs or shot…seems like odds of that increase if I was wearing a PRESS jacket.. You are telling me that Israeli soldiers accidentally drive into the West Bank and get detained by Palestinians…I find that extremely hard to believe that soldiers of the most powerful mitiary in the region, with the best technology in the region, if not the world, accidentally wander in and get themselves detained. I also find it hard to believe that Palestinians are ripping hearts out of chests…but IF that is true, yes that is incredibly barbaric and psychotic. I do find it hard to believe though. . Civilians ocassionaly drive into WB. The border is a lot more porous than you think. https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lightly-hurt-as-car-is-stoned-driving-into-west-bank-refugee-camp/ Here is the incident I was referencing - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Ramallah_lynching. At your own risk, you can search for actual images beyond the idiot standing at the window with his hands bloody (VERY NSFW and GORE - but here is a link) . These are "Palestinian civilians" holding organs - hearts, intestines, etc., that they ripped out and strung up. I have an old computer I have in storage and have a video of it too if you care to go down that lane.
Blugolds Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 1 hour ago, cubsfan said: Billions of dollars given to the Palestinians as aid - and they choose to build a massive underground war machine & rocket facilities/factories. So Hamas steals all the money from the citizens for the purposes of launching a war, while murdering any moderates and canceling elections. Just to clarify, you do or dont differentiate between avg Palestians and Hamas or are they one and the same?
changegonnacome Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 Elon Musk says Trump’s spending bill undermines the work DOGE has been doing https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/28/elon-musk-says-trumps-spending-bill-undermines-the-work-doge-has-been-doing.html Kudos to Elon....he's 100% right.....and I'd imagine the truth is dawning on him......Trump used him & the DOGE theatre to create the illusion of fiscal prudence....while doing the exact opposite.
Blugolds Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 The propaganda picture of the boy was from the Washington Post, didn’t realize that was Pro Hamas Terrorist media. Hadn’t heard of the Ramallah incident, and mutilating a body after killing is certainly barbarism. Since the start of Israel’s war on the Gaza Strip on 7 October, Euro-Med Monitor has documented numerous brutal Israeli violations, including mutilating the bodies of dead Palestinians by harassing corpses on camera, dragging them, urinating on them, and even cutting off their limbs. The rules of international law stipulate the necessity of respecting and protecting the bodies of the dead during armed conflicts, in accordance with Rule 115, which states that, “The dead must be disposed of in a respectful manner and their graves respected and properly maintained.” The Fourth Geneva Convention also stresses that, “Each party to the conflict must take all possible measures to prevent the dead from being despoiled. Mutilation of dead bodies is prohibited.” Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor wholeheartedly denounced the Israeli soldiers’ boasts of mutilating the bodies of the dead, and their publishing of video clips documenting these horrific practices. The Geneva-based rights group views these acts as reflections of the severity of the soldiers’ sadism and their flagrant violation of the rules of war, and called on the international community to immediately intervene. And it doesn’t matter who does it, thats fucked up. What bothers me, on either side, is the vilification of the entire population, Israeli or Palestinian by the other side and using the behavior of a relatively small group of people as justification for all out annihilating of the entire group.
ourkid8 Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 35 minutes ago, Blugolds said: I find that extremely hard to believe that soldiers of the most powerful mitiary in the region, with the best technology in the region, if not the world, I would really question the most powerful military in the region if not the world when they have trouble fighting against a militia group such as Hezbollah. Its a lot easier killing unarmed woman/children/press in the Gaza but that's just my opinion.
Xerxes Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: I would really question the most powerful military in the region if not the world when they have trouble fighting against a militia group such as Hezbollah. Its a lot easier killing unarmed woman/children/press in the Gaza but that's just my opinion. That is actually not correct Hizbollah was a militia, but when they participated in the Syrian War on the side Bashar, Iran and Russia, they lost their militia roots and became more of a conventional force. Their metamorphosis in the late 2010s became seed that will later destroy them when facing IDF in 2024. That said they will continue to exist as a political-military entity, until there is resolution on the border. Once there is resolution, their “resistance” raison d’être should evaporate. And the regular army should be the only bearer of the arms south of the border. Edited May 28, 2025 by Xerxes
cubsfan Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 43 minutes ago, Blugolds said: Just to clarify, you do or dont differentiate between avg Palestians and Hamas or are they one and the same? Yes, I differentiate between the Palestinians and Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization that is the government of the Palestinians. Unfortunately, since the Palestinians elected Hamas and can not displace them - they screwed themselves. Moderates or any political opposition to Hamas are murdered. It doesn't diminish the joy & glee the thousands of cheering Palestinians showed for the killing of Israelis. It's clear they were fully behind Hamas at the beginning of the war, and perhaps now are regretting their support. What's clear is, as in the case of Mexico, the neighbor has to do something radical to protect their own citizens.
changegonnacome Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 (edited) The instinct among his supporters is to look away—cognitive dissonance is painful, especially for those who feel an endowment effect toward the candidates they've voted into power. But it's important to remain rational about what's occurring here. It is not hyperbole to say that the grift orchestrated by Trump Inc. during this presidency is unprecedented, particularly in its sheer scale. By some accounts, the Trump family has amassed an additional $700 million in wealth since Election Day, this $700m number I should note are realized gains tied to the monetization of the presidency. The unrealized gains are much larger but can be thought of as ephemeral until monetized. I'd suggest just sitting with this hour long podcast/YouTube clip from Ezra Klein if your Trump supporter. Ezra/NY Time may be a left leaning or straight out left news organisation.....but I know this space well enough to consider myself expert enough to know what is liberal cry-babying and what is factual and conceptually accurate....this podcast captures very well and factually with only small emotional detours in partisanship what is happening. It is shameful....and without precedent.....whataboutism doesn't work here.....no politician or President in United States political history has come close to pulling down $700m of realized gains in less than year since being elected President. Nobody. We've had scuzz and shadiness in the past (Hunter etc.) but the scale here puts this enterprise in a new category entirely of moral and ethical norm violations. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-growing-scandal-of-%24trump/id1548604447?i=1000710254584 Edited May 28, 2025 by changegonnacome
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John Hjorth Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 4 hours ago, cubsfan said: Yes, I differentiate between the Palestinians and Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization that is the government of the Palestinians. Unfortunately, since the Palestinians elected Hamas and can not displace them - they screwed themselves. Moderates or any political opposition to Hamas are murdered. It doesn't diminish the joy & glee the thousands of cheering Palestinians showed for the killing of Israelis. It's clear they were fully behind Hamas at the beginning of the war, and perhaps now are regretting their support. Mike [ @cubsfan ], Yes, it's unfortunately that simple, and certainly a calamity of dimensions. I remember a post by Lars [ @Viking ] pre merger of all political topics here on CofB&F in the topic about the Russian-Ukranian war' then, now merged into the political CofB&F 'soup' of that merger somewhere, stating about the Russian population that it was having no democratic culture, nor mindset. In Microsoft language, is was long time ago called WYSIWYG. Ignorance and lack of culture are the worst enemies of progress.
lnofeisone Posted May 28, 2025 Posted May 28, 2025 4 hours ago, Blugolds said: The propaganda picture of the boy was from the Washington Post, didn’t realize that was Pro Hamas Terrorist media. WaPo and a lot of MSM ate up stories from Hamas. Most never bothered to read the entire story and reacted to picture. WaPo got their click from you. 4 hours ago, Blugolds said: Hadn’t heard of the Ramallah incident, and mutilating a body after killing is certainly barbarism. How new are you to this conflict? 4 hours ago, Blugolds said: Since the start of Israel’s war on the Gaza Strip on 7 October, Euro-Med Monitor has documented numerous brutal Israeli violations, including mutilating the bodies of dead Palestinians by harassing corpses on camera, dragging them, urinating on them, and even cutting off their limbs. The rules of international law stipulate the necessity of respecting and protecting the bodies of the dead during armed conflicts, in accordance with Rule 115, which states that, “The dead must be disposed of in a respectful manner and their graves respected and properly maintained.” The Fourth Geneva Convention also stresses that, “Each party to the conflict must take all possible measures to prevent the dead from being despoiled. Mutilation of dead bodies is prohibited.” Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor wholeheartedly denounced the Israeli soldiers’ boasts of mutilating the bodies of the dead, and their publishing of video clips documenting these horrific practices. The Geneva-based rights group views these acts as reflections of the severity of the soldiers’ sadism and their flagrant violation of the rules of war, and called on the international community to immediately intervene. Euro-med monitor? LOL. The organization that failed to condemn Oct 7th attack that included burning, mutilating, and raping of Israeli citizens but somehow found the courage and words to criticize Israeli response? Be serious. 4 hours ago, Blugolds said: What bothers me, on either side, is the vilification of the entire population, Israeli or Palestinian by the other side and using the behavior of a relatively small group of people as justification for all out annihilating of the entire group. 50k dead in Gaza. Say 20k of them are Hamas. 30k civilians make up ~2% of the population. That's not an annihilation. I separate the average Palestinian from Hamas. Though I saw a lot of ordinary Palestinians celebrating deaths of the Israeli civilians on Oct 7th. I agree with @cubsfan, Palestinians voted for Hamas (however long ago), and they get the leaders they voted for. I also think Palestinians, like the germans and the japanese in ww2, need total loss where there is no question that they lost. Not hudna. Total surrender. Only then can they start reforming.
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