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[LC]

 

8 minutes ago, Spooky said:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

 

Bold of you to quote whimsical poetry to the face of frothing zealots.

[LC]

@Dinar, I once read of a time when white Australians were the largest criminal element on that continent! When the Irish were destroying England! When the Italians were the most feared terrorist group in the States. When an entire country called Germany warred all over the modern world - twice! And threw in some genocide for good measure on the second round.

 

So I struggle to understand your point. Are you saying Islam is crap? Well I agree. And I'll do you one better and throw in Christianity, Judaism, every other faith-based system, and every strongman/authority based system as well!

Edited May 9, 2025 by LC

[patience_and_focus]

11 minutes ago, LC said:

And I'll do you one better and throw in Christianity, Judaism, every other faith-based system, and every strongman/authority based system as well!

Isn't that the same argument what liberals accuse conservatives of making, painting everything as equal. You see, all politicians are equally bad - Biden, Kamala, Obama, Bush, Trump. There is no difference! 

Edited May 9, 2025 by patience_and_focus

[LC]

Find me a politician who best embraces ideals of the enlightenment and I'll show you my vote

[patience_and_focus]

Now look at the statistics and proportion of countries with religion as it is practiced in the modern era that are closer to the ideals of enlightenment. Turns out Islamic countries are concentrated at the bottom of that list.

 

So yeah, not everything is equal.

Edited May 9, 2025 by patience_and_focus

[Dinar]

26 minutes ago, LC said:

@Dinar, I once read of a time when white Australians were the largest criminal element on that continent! When the Irish were destroying England! When the Italians were the most feared terrorist group in the States. When an entire country called Germany warred all over the modern world - twice! And threw in some genocide for good measure on the second round.

 

So I struggle to understand your point. Are you saying Islam is crap? Well I agree. And I'll do you one better and throw in Christianity, Judaism, every other faith-based system, and every strongman/authority based system as well!

That's a bullshit argument and you know it !  Australia was the place where England sent its convicts, so obviously whites would be the largest criminal element in Australia.  Particularly when there was no immigration from Asia, and so it was only whites and aborigines.  

 

There is a difference between Islam and Christianity.  Islam demands war on non-believers, Christianity preaches peaches.  Judaism prohibits proselytizing, Islam demands it.  Islam demands that all non-Muslims are treated as second class citizens.  I don't recall Confucius making the same demands.  

 

There is a reason that everyone want to immigrate to Europe and US and nobody want to immigrate to Pakistan, or Iran, or Egypt or Libya or Uzbekistan, Tajikistan!  

[james22]

1 hour ago, Spooky said:

. . . all human beings are created with virtually identical genetics . . .

 

It is not the genes we share, but those we don't that distinguish us from one another.

 

1 hour ago, Spooky said:

. . . all men are created equal . . .

 

Equal in the eye of God and the Law, but not without differences.

[Paarslaars]

2 hours ago, Spooky said:

all human beings are created with virtually identical genetics, it is just the luck of the draw where you are born. 

 

Well we share 98.8% of our DNA with chimps... Small differences in DNA really have a big impact. It's completely illogical to assume different races do not have different characteristics. Nature and nurture both play their part in who someone becomes, but these are already defined for grown up immigrants so not much more that can be done.

[rogermunibond]

3 billion basepairs in human DNA so it's not small differences - 2% difference is 120,000,000 basepairs that could be coded differently.  So it's not difference in RNA or proteins between human and chimp, but the timing, quantity, expression of said genes.

[LC]

2 hours ago, Dinar said:

That's a bullshit argument and you know it !  Australia was the place where England sent its convicts, so obviously whites would be the largest criminal element in Australia.  Particularly when there was no immigration from Asia, and so it was only whites and aborigines.  

 

There is a difference between Islam and Christianity.  Islam demands war on non-believers, Christianity preaches peaches.  Judaism prohibits proselytizing, Islam demands it.  Islam demands that all non-Muslims are treated as second class citizens.  I don't recall Confucius making the same demands.  

 

Yes and no - So yes, Australia is where England sent all its convicts - but Trump has said repeatedly that Mexico et al are sending "their worst" to the States. And I imagine that extreme right-wing EU political groups share the same sentiment.

 

On Christianity, Islam, etc. none of it makes a difference. When you abandon reason, humans will use anything to justify their actions: "God says so here in this book"; "MAGA"; "Woke"; "Just following orders" etc. etc. It's all the same - irrational stupidity.

 

Bringing it back to EU immigration: I have no issue limiting immigration. But limiting immigration based on ethnicity or country of origin is (generally) irrational.

Edited May 9, 2025 by LC

[Sweet]

5 minutes ago, LC said:

On Christianity, Islam, etc. none of it makes a difference. When you abandon reason, humans will use anything to justify their actions: "God says so here in this book"; "MAGA"; "Woke"; "Just following orders" etc. etc. It's all the same - irrational stupidity

I can’t take you seriously when you say there is no difference between the message of ‘turn the other cheek’ in one book, and a message of jihad in another.  
 

I’m all for generalising when it makes sense, but not when the differences matter so hugely.

 

I can’t remember a single act of terrorism in the name Christianity - not one.  Or any other religion for that matter.

[james22]

Investing is all about discriminating between good companies and bad.

 

Imagine investing with the assumption that all companies are equal and outcomes differ only by luck.

 

But without any market pricing to give you diversification advantages, only guaranteed diworsification.

[Spooky]

4 hours ago, LC said:

So I struggle to understand your point. Are you saying Islam is crap? Well I agree. And I'll do you one better and throw in Christianity, Judaism, every other faith-based system, and every strongman/authority based system as well!

 

Hear hear! Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

[LC]

1 hour ago, Sweet said:

I can’t take you seriously when you say there is no difference between the message of ‘turn the other cheek’ in one book, and a message of jihad in another.  
 

I’m all for generalising when it makes sense, but not when the differences matter so hugely.

 

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword"

 

Your guy's own words! Well, realistically likely made up by some uneducated goat-herder in the middle east 2000 years ago but hey billions of people believe it.

 

The point is - Christianity claims peace, it also claims violence. So does Islam ("If they let you be, and do not make war on you, and offer you peace, God does not allow you to harm them").

 

In the end it's all make-believe that people use to justify their nonsense.

 

1 hour ago, Sweet said:

I can’t remember a single act of terrorism in the name Christianity - not one.  Or any other religion for that matter.

 

Oh come on! And you claim you can't take me seriously!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_terrorism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_terrorism

[Sweet]

1 hour ago, LC said:

 

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword"

 

Your guy's own words! Well, realistically likely made up by some uneducated goat-herder in the middle east 2000 years ago but hey billions of people believe it.

 

The point is - Christianity claims peace, it also claims violence. So does Islam ("If they let you be, and do not make war on you, and offer you peace, God does not allow you to harm them").

 

In the end it's all make-believe that people use to justify their nonsense.

 

 

Oh come on! And you claim you can't take me seriously!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_terrorism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_terrorism

It’s boring to hear the same old lines picked out as a ‘got ya’ while the entire message and behaviour of Jesus is ignored.  Jesus was not a warlord and the New Testament is not a book about military conquest.  By contrast Muhammad was a warlord and violence is an integral part of the Quran.

 

Re the wiki - terrorism carried out by Christians is not the same as terrorism in the name of Christianity.  Nobody can point to the New Testament and say ‘this passage’ or ‘this book’ justifies terrorism because militarism and violence are not a part of Jesus’ story.  That’s not the case for Islam, and the violence in Islam is used by Islamic terrorists to justify their terrorism.

 

I don’t really know why people as clever as you can’t get it straight.  ’It’s all make believe anyway’ - yeh maybe it is.  ’It’s all the same make believe stuff’ - no it’s not.  Stop defaulting to your lefty ‘all cultures and religions are the same’ bs.  Unplug, use your eyes and engage your brain.

 

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[Libs]

It's astonishing the lengths some people will go to, rather than recognize some cultures and religions are superior (or at least less harmful) than others. 

 

It blows my mind. It's as if reality offends them.

[james22]

6 minutes ago, Libs said:

It's astonishing the lengths some people will go to, rather than recognize some cultures and religions are superior (or at least less harmful) than others. 

 

It blows my mind. It's as if reality offends them.

 

God forbid you discriminate among people/s (for good reason). It is thought prejudicial.

 

Whereas if you are discriminating between things, you are thought to have good judgement.

[Sweet]

 

45 minutes ago, Libs said:

It's astonishing the lengths some people will go to, rather than recognize some cultures and religions are superior (or at least less harmful) than others. 

 

It blows my mind. It's as if reality offends them.

Because it is a culture and religion all of its own.  It’s not about reality or facts, it’s a world view through which facts and reality are filtered.

[Parsad]

20 hours ago, james22 said:

 

Do you believe I'm the Queen of Hearts?

 

Ok, you two stop it, otherwise a double ban for each. 

[Parsad]

6 hours ago, Sweet said:

I can’t take you seriously when you say there is no difference between the message of ‘turn the other cheek’ in one book, and a message of jihad in another.  
 

I’m all for generalising when it makes sense, but not when the differences matter so hugely.

 

I can’t remember a single act of terrorism in the name Christianity - not one.  Or any other religion for that matter.

 

Jesus...let's start with the Crusades!  The British Empire's entire expansion in the 18th and 19th Centuries were also based on spreading Christianity.  How about the Ku Klux Klan?  Pogroms?  IRA?  Anti-abortion terrorists like the Army of God?  There have been hundreds of terrorist attacks based on Christianity!  Cheers!

[LC]

https://newrepublic.com/post/195088/karoline-leavitt-snaps-donald-trump-profiting-off-presidency

 

Hunter was raking in what, 50k per month? A cool 600k/year. Absolute rookie numbers.

 

Trump pulling in 6 Billion from the Saudi's here...now here is a real grifter. Take notes, kids!

[Spekulatius]

interesting analysis from Michael Clarke about Xi Jinping attending the Victory day parade. That means that they are now openly behind Russia whilst being technically neutral before. In any case the Victory parade was a diplomatic success for Putin.
 

 

[Sweet]

5 hours ago, Parsad said:

 

Jesus...let's start with the Crusades!  The British Empire's entire expansion in the 18th and 19th Centuries were also based on spreading Christianity.  How about the Ku Klux Klan?  Pogroms?  IRA?  Anti-abortion terrorists like the Army of God?  There have been hundreds of terrorist attacks based on Christianity!  Cheers!

The IRA, nothing about their terror campaign was about religion, it was nationalism.

 

The KKK, racial superiority, not religion.

 

The British empire, imperialism, not even terrorism and not about religion.

 

The Crusades, on stronger footing because it was religious, but war is not terrorism.

Nobody claims that the Ottoman or the Muslim conquests was terrorism.  You are reinventing a definition to suit you.

 

Edited May 10, 2025 by Sweet

[Sweet]

5 hours ago, Spekulatius said:

interesting analysis from Michael Clarke about Xi Jinping attending the Victory day parade. That means that they are now openly behind Russia whilst being technically neutral before. In any case the Victory parade was a diplomatic success for Putin.
 

 

The Chinese have been supplying the Russians and helping they get around sanctions for a long time.  I doubt ideologically Xi cares one way or another, but in Putin he has an ally, and he probably doesn’t want to see them defeated.

[james22]

6 hours ago, Parsad said:

Jesus...let's start with the Crusades!

 

The Christian response to centuries of Muslim wars of expansion?

 

Those Crusades?

 

Funny example.