Spekulatius Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 Pretty good article about NM dealing with COVID-19 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/01/opinion/new-mexico-coronavirus-curve.html
sys Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 According to some articles, the migrant workers who live together in Singapore got high infection rate, who are young and healthy. yes, it's this. the cases are also recent and mortality will go up, but the large majority of cases in their recent outbreak are migrant workers who are significantly younger than the population at large. it makes a big difference. i believe the age structure of those infected also explains most of the low mortality in iceland.
Liberty Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 Pence: ‘I should have worn a mask at the Mayo Clinic’ “I didn't think it was necessary, but I should have worn a mask at the Mayo Clinic and I wore it when I visited the ventilator plant in Indiana” two days later, Pence said at a Fox News virtual town hall on Sunday, nodding sheepishly. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/03/pence-should-have-worn-mask-mayo-clinic-233360 Wow, a non-sociopath reaction. We’re not used to that.
LC Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 He's OK endangering lives of Minnesotans, just not his native Indianans. What a patriot. Great VP. The best.
ERICOPOLY Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 Wow, a non-sociopath reaction. We’re not used to that. Very unusual. My ex-wife was raised by politicians and from a young age she was coached by her father to "admit nothing, deny everything, and never put anything in writing". This raises a child who cannot take responsibility. I think it's common in a lot of these powerful families and nurtures narcissism and sociopathy.
Liberty Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 Wow, a non-sociopath reaction. We’re not used to that. Very unusual. My ex-wife was raised by politicians and from a young age she was coached by her father to "admit nothing, deny everything, and never put anything in writing". This raises a child who cannot take responsibility. I think it's common in a lot of these powerful families and nurtures narcissism and sociopathy. Meanwhile Trump is talking about how unfair this whole situation is to him and how badly he's being treated in front of the Lincoln monument...
Spekulatius Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 Wow, a non-sociopath reaction. We’re not used to that. Very unusual. My ex-wife was raised by politicians and from a young age she was coached by her father to "admit nothing, deny everything, and never put anything in writing". This raises a child who cannot take responsibility. I think it's common in a lot of these powerful families and nurtures narcissism and sociopathy. Meanwhile Trump is talking about how unfair this whole situation is to him and how badly he's being treated in front of the Lincoln monument... Everyone is concerned about him suffering.
DooDiligence Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 Wow, a non-sociopath reaction. We’re not used to that. Very unusual. My ex-wife was raised by politicians and from a young age she was coached by her father to "admit nothing, deny everything, and never put anything in writing". This raises a child who cannot take responsibility. I think it's common in a lot of these powerful families and nurtures narcissism and sociopathy. Meanwhile Trump is talking about how unfair this whole situation is to him and how badly he's being treated in front of the Lincoln monument... The sun king imagines a grander monument to his royal self. I predict that he will propose ramrod one during the last days of his presidency, and it won't be no stinkin' library either.
Guest Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 I'd say almost all presidents are super egocentric. Trump may or may not be worse...but he's certainly worse at hiding it.
ERICOPOLY Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 I'd say almost all presidents are super egocentric. Trump may or may not be worse...but he's certainly worse at hiding it. He lacks self-awareness (as does a young child). Literally, his mind works like that of a child.
Liberty Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 I'd say almost all presidents are super egocentric. Trump may or may not be worse...but he's certainly worse at hiding it. Well, you have to have a pretty big ego to even run for president, that's not in question. But Trump is a different species.
Liberty Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 Meanwhile, in Russia: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8282033/Third-Russian-doctor-plunges-coronavirus-hospital-window.html A third Russian doctor has plunged from a hospital window after complaining about medics facing intolerable coronavirus pressures. Alexander Shulepov, 37, is fighting for his life with head injuries after taking part in in a video which claimed he was ordered to work despite testing positive for Covid-19. He and colleagues also warned about PPE shortages in Voronezh city. Later - lying in a coronavirus hospital bed - Shulepov made a second video to retract the claims amid suspicions he was pressured to do so. On Saturday, while being treated at Novousmanskaya district hospital, the experienced ambulance doctor plunged from a second floor window sustaining skull fractures. He is now in a grave condition. Two senior women doctors in Russia have died recently after falling from hospital windows amid reports they had challenged their superiors over a lack of PPE for coronavirus patients.
Liberty Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 Thread on Trump admin projections for new COVID19 cases and deaths: Strange how they're predicting an increase in the rate of deaths and infections yet aren't really acting like it... HHS document: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6926-mayhhsbriefing/af7319f4a55fd0ce5dc9/optimized/full.pdf#page=1
Liberty Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 Meanwhile, here's the man in charge of the US response to the pandemic: "The President says the Spanish Flu of 1917 probably ended World War I" (video) He just can't help BS about stuff he doesn't know (but stuff he should've learned about months into a pandemic).
Guest Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 I don't like Trump. I think he is a bonehead, immoral douche. In fact, I think Biden would probably do a better job (in some regards). Though I think Biden will continue to sellout the people has he and his cohorts have been doing over the past 40 years. I won't vote for Biden and I might vote for Trump. I say this for a few reasons: 1) I think the media will be far harder on Trump than Biden (look at how the media jumped on Trump and Kavanaugh but aren't hitting Biden that hard). This is like a counter to corruption. The media is far likely to investigate and call out Trump rather than Biden. 2) Biden is of the generation of politicians that have sold out the middle class. He helped build up China while the coasts of this country has prospered and the rest have declined. I drive though places like Zanesville, OH or Washington, PA. These looked like they were pretty nice areas several decades ago. Do you really we would be seeing such class divide if the government held interest rates at 7%? I can guarantee you there would be far, far, far $1 million+ homes around the country. And of course, the stock market would be a lot lower too. A government should not be giving unfair advantages to certain groups of people. 3) I think Trump has the higher probability of blowing up the system. I think huge amount of the system is corrupt (look at college costs, CEO pay, environmental destruction, drug prices, etc). I like the idea of burning things down and starting anew. It's good to have those situations every several decades (though it sucks while it's happening).
Liberty Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 I don't like Trump. I think he is a bonehead, immoral douche. In fact, I think Biden would probably do a better job (in some regards). Though I think Biden will continue to sellout the people has he and his cohorts have been doing over the past 40 years. I won't vote for Biden and I might vote for Trump. I say this for a few reasons: 1) I think the media will be far harder on Trump than Biden (look at how the media jumped on Trump and Kavanaugh but aren't hitting Biden that hard). This is like a counter to corruption. The media is far likely to investigate and call out Trump rather than Biden. 2) Biden is of the generation of politicians that have sold out the middle class. He helped build up China while the coasts of this country has prospered and the rest have declined. I drive though places like Zanesville, OH or Washington, PA. These looked like they were pretty nice areas several decades ago. Do you really we would be seeing such class divide if the government held interest rates at 7%? I can guarantee you there would be far, far, far $1 million+ homes around the country. And of course, the stock market would be a lot lower too. A government should not be giving unfair advantages to certain groups of people. 3) I think Trump has the higher probability of blowing up the system. I think huge amount of the system is corrupt (look at college costs, CEO pay, environmental destruction, drug prices, etc). I like the idea of burning things down and starting anew. It's good to have those situations every several decades (though it sucks while it's happening). That's crazy talk. Biden would be 100x better because he's not a corrupt imbecile narcissistic sociopath conspiracy theorist and he'd surround himself with competent people and listen to them rather than get his ideas from hours of daily cable TV (and not even cable TV generally, but the one channel that tries to tell him what he wants to hear in the first place, making the whole thing intellectually incestuous to the max and a total echo chamber). I'd take George W. Bush any day of the week at this point. I know that Trump has sold the idea that he's for the the middle class or the blue collars or whatever (while sitting on his gold toilet in his kitch mansion in the sky spending borrowed money and stiffing his contractors, cheating on his wives and sexually attacking a busload of women, and living high on tax-fraud millions inherited from his father), but that's just talk. He's not done anything to help these people, he's destroyed the economy by mismanaging a crisis and weakened institutions and alliances... How's the coal industry or the steel industry been doing since Trump promised to save them? I get that things need to change and politics as usual sucks. But I want them to change for the better, and you don't do that by putting an incompetent liar who only cares about himself in charge. It's like if you have a company with kind of mediocre management and you want to improve things. Do you put someone like Trump in charge? I'll take the mediocre management over the actively poisonous one...
arcube Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 I don't like Trump. I think he is a bonehead, immoral douche. In fact, I think Biden would probably do a better job (in some regards). Though I think Biden will continue to sellout the people has he and his cohorts have been doing over the past 40 years. I won't vote for Biden and I might vote for Trump. I say this for a few reasons: 1) I think the media will be far harder on Trump than Biden (look at how the media jumped on Trump and Kavanaugh but aren't hitting Biden that hard). This is like a counter to corruption. The media is far likely to investigate and call out Trump rather than Biden. 2) Biden is of the generation of politicians that have sold out the middle class. He helped build up China while the coasts of this country has prospered and the rest have declined. I drive though places like Zanesville, OH or Washington, PA. These looked like they were pretty nice areas several decades ago. Do you really we would be seeing such class divide if the government held interest rates at 7%? I can guarantee you there would be far, far, far $1 million+ homes around the country. And of course, the stock market would be a lot lower too. A government should not be giving unfair advantages to certain groups of people. 3) I think Trump has the higher probability of blowing up the system. I think huge amount of the system is corrupt (look at college costs, CEO pay, environmental destruction, drug prices, etc). I like the idea of burning things down and starting anew. It's good to have those situations every several decades (though it sucks while it's happening). That's crazy talk. Biden would be 100x better because he's not a corrupt imbecile narcissistic sociopath conspiracy theorist and he'd surround himself with competent people and listen to them rather than get his ideas from hours of daily cable TV. I'd take George W. Bush any day of the week at this point. I know that Trump has sold the idea that he's for the the middle class or the blue collars or whatever (while sitting on his gold toilet in his kitch mansion in the sky spending borrowed money and stiffing his contractors, and living high on tax-fraud millions inherited from his father), but that's just talk. He's not done anything to help these people, he's destroyed the economy and weakened institutions and alliances... How's the coal industry or the steel industry been doing since Trump promised to save them? I get that things need to change and politics sucks. But I want them to change for the better, and Trump is a change for the worse. For that matter how is the O&G industry doing! BK season starting once again! Even pre-covid it has been decimated
ERICOPOLY Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 2) Biden is of the generation of politicians that have sold out the middle class. He helped build up China Trump is helping China and Russia through withdrawal and isolation of the US, resulting in lost US global influence. Just look at Trump gripe about WHO favoring China -- Trump himself caused that by failing to fill the vacant US seat at the WHO.
Guest Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 Let's not act like Biden doesn't have a lot of issues with harrassing women (or worse). https://www.thecut.com/2020/04/joe-biden-accuser-accusations-allegations.html He has really...really likes smelling little girls. And likes to skinny dip (even when female secret service agents are on duty). https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2014/08/01/biden-swims-naked-upsetting-female-secret-service-agents-book-claims I think the Establishment are the ones who have helped China over the past 20 years. https://www.epi.org/publication/issuebriefs_ib137/ I would've liked to vote for Bernie but the Democrats didn't want him. Biden would be better if you like the status quo. I don't want the status quo.
Gregmal Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 Let's not act like Biden doesn't have a lot of issues with harrassing women (or worse). https://www.thecut.com/2020/04/joe-biden-accuser-accusations-allegations.html He has really...really likes smelling little girls. And likes to skinny dip (even when female secret service agents are on duty). https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2014/08/01/biden-swims-naked-upsetting-female-secret-service-agents-book-claims I think the Establishment are the ones who have helped China over the past 20 years. https://www.epi.org/publication/issuebriefs_ib137/ I would've liked to vote for Bernie but the Democrats didn't want him. Biden would be better if you like the status quo. I don't want the status quo. Yea, I dont know but the frauds and hypocrites have been revealing themselves in full color with Biden. At least I've been honest. I could give two shits about how awful a person Trump is or how Biden is a corrupt creep but I could live with him in the WH as well. But the fake contempt people disgusted by Trumps behavior are now showing its all just blabber as they excuse and downplay and rationalize the very same issues with Joe...The #metoo frauds like Milano. Believe all women except when its inconvenient to you, right?
Castanza Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 Amash is worth a look for anyone looking for a candidate that is economically conservative and socially progressive. Not to mention respectful and intelligent. When I thought our candidates couldn’t get any worse than Trump and Hillary....here we are... I’ll leave it at that since this isn’t a political thread. Amash 2020
ERICOPOLY Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 Let's not act like Biden doesn't have a lot of issues with harrassing women (or worse). https://www.thecut.com/2020/04/joe-biden-accuser-accusations-allegations.html He has really...really likes smelling little girls. And likes to skinny dip (even when female secret service agents are on duty). https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2014/08/01/biden-swims-naked-upsetting-female-secret-service-agents-book-claims I think the Establishment are the ones who have helped China over the past 20 years. https://www.epi.org/publication/issuebriefs_ib137/ I would've liked to vote for Bernie but the Democrats didn't want him. Biden would be better if you like the status quo. I don't want the status quo. Yea, I dont know but the frauds and hypocrites have been revealing themselves in full color with Biden. At least I've been honest. I could give two shits about how awful a person Trump is or how Biden is a corrupt creep but I could live with him in the WH as well. But the fake contempt people disgusted by Trumps behavior are now showing its all just blabber as they excuse and downplay and rationalize the very same issues with Joe...The #metoo frauds like Milano. Believe all women except when its inconvenient to you, right? Tara Reade doesn't remember what she put in the Senate complaint. She goes out of her way to draw attention to Biden in her complaint filed with the Senate but then doesn't even mention the assault? She complained that he made her uncomfortable and so she was assigned a new spot where she would be away from him. What else are they going to do, reassign Biden? First she went to law school, then a Biden staffer, then a singer, an actress, a cat lady. Her history doesn't point to stability -- drama, yes. Singer, actress -- attention getter. That said, it doesn't for certain mean that she is lying. Those people do exist though and instability and drama are red flags hallmarks.
Gregmal Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 Let's not act like Biden doesn't have a lot of issues with harrassing women (or worse). https://www.thecut.com/2020/04/joe-biden-accuser-accusations-allegations.html He has really...really likes smelling little girls. And likes to skinny dip (even when female secret service agents are on duty). https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2014/08/01/biden-swims-naked-upsetting-female-secret-service-agents-book-claims I think the Establishment are the ones who have helped China over the past 20 years. https://www.epi.org/publication/issuebriefs_ib137/ I would've liked to vote for Bernie but the Democrats didn't want him. Biden would be better if you like the status quo. I don't want the status quo. Yea, I dont know but the frauds and hypocrites have been revealing themselves in full color with Biden. At least I've been honest. I could give two shits about how awful a person Trump is or how Biden is a corrupt creep but I could live with him in the WH as well. But the fake contempt people disgusted by Trumps behavior are now showing its all just blabber as they excuse and downplay and rationalize the very same issues with Joe...The #metoo frauds like Milano. Believe all women except when its inconvenient to you, right? Tara Reade doesn't remember what she put in the Senate complaint. She goes out of her way to draw attention to Biden in her complaint filed with the Senate but then doesn't even mention the assault? She complained that he made her uncomfortable and so she was assigned a new spot where she would be away from him. What else are they going to do, reassign Biden? First she went to law school, then a Biden staffer, then a singer, an actress, a cat lady. Her history doesn't point to stability -- drama, yes. Singer, actress -- attention getter. That said, it doesn't for certain mean that she is lying. Those people do exist though and instability and drama are red flags hallmarks. So she is a mix between Julie Swetnick and Christina Ford.... While your response is a reasonable one, people dont get to play this card. Not after how they behaved with the Kavanaugh allegations. Not after the incessant whining about quality of character with Trump. The presumption of innocence was destroyed by liberals over the past 4 years. You dont get it back because your guy is running. Trump is a narcissistic clown, and Biden is a world class establishment creep. Those are our candidate for POTUS. At least lets treat them the same and stop pretending this is a case of Jesus running against Hitler.
ERICOPOLY Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 Let's not act like Biden doesn't have a lot of issues with harrassing women (or worse). https://www.thecut.com/2020/04/joe-biden-accuser-accusations-allegations.html He has really...really likes smelling little girls. And likes to skinny dip (even when female secret service agents are on duty). https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2014/08/01/biden-swims-naked-upsetting-female-secret-service-agents-book-claims I think the Establishment are the ones who have helped China over the past 20 years. https://www.epi.org/publication/issuebriefs_ib137/ I would've liked to vote for Bernie but the Democrats didn't want him. Biden would be better if you like the status quo. I don't want the status quo. Yea, I dont know but the frauds and hypocrites have been revealing themselves in full color with Biden. At least I've been honest. I could give two shits about how awful a person Trump is or how Biden is a corrupt creep but I could live with him in the WH as well. But the fake contempt people disgusted by Trumps behavior are now showing its all just blabber as they excuse and downplay and rationalize the very same issues with Joe...The #metoo frauds like Milano. Believe all women except when its inconvenient to you, right? Tara Reade doesn't remember what she put in the Senate complaint. She goes out of her way to draw attention to Biden in her complaint filed with the Senate but then doesn't even mention the assault? She complained that he made her uncomfortable and so she was assigned a new spot where she would be away from him. What else are they going to do, reassign Biden? First she went to law school, then a Biden staffer, then a singer, an actress, a cat lady. Her history doesn't point to stability -- drama, yes. Singer, actress -- attention getter. That said, it doesn't for certain mean that she is lying. Those people do exist though and instability and drama are red flags hallmarks. So she is a mix between Julie Swetnick and Christina Ford.... While your response is a reasonable one, people dont get to play this card. Not after how they behaved with the Kavanaugh allegations. Not after the incessant whining about quality of character with Trump. The presumption of innocence was destroyed by liberals over the past 4 years. You dont get it back because your guy is running. Trump is a narcissistic clown, and Biden is a world class establishment creep. Those are our candidate for POTUS. At least lets treat them the same and stop pretending this is a case of Jesus running against Hitler. Try as they might, the Conservatives cannot wash their hands clean when they find one witness against one Liberal. Clinton, yes, there were more cockroaches in the kitchen. When we find another, then another, and another, with Biden we will then know we have a creep. Not even close yet. He's almost 80 and he has been in office for decades and all you've got to show for it is a single complaining woman who cannot remember what she complained about in her report.
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