ERICOPOLY Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 This is crazy. Who is going to go on a cruise this August? https://news.yahoo.com/carnival-announces-comeback-cruises-resume-154302608.html
UK Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-politics-trust/coronavirus-health-fears-outweigh-concern-for-economy-global-survey-idUSKBN22H098
Dalal.Holdings Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 I'd say almost all presidents are super egocentric. Trump may or may not be worse...but he's certainly worse at hiding it. “All presidents r bad” is the new “both parties r bad”. False equivalence fallacy much? I don’t remember when Abraham Lincoln said he wouldn’t have assaulted that woman because she wasn’t attractive enough... Trump fools ordinary folk the most—what do you expect from an Atlantic city casino/reality TV guy. Too bad those ordinary folk think he’s their guy—cutting corporate taxes to the bone is his largest fiscal accomplishment. “New NAFTA” will not stop worker pain. His OPEC “deal” will not save oil workers. And coronavirus will hurt poor/non middle class the most. And this recession will be another huge hit on these folk. You actually think a guy who hangs out with Steve Mnuchin, Tom Barrack, Carl Icahn, Roger Stone, etc has ordinary folks’ interest at heart? His ability to fool the common man is his greatest talent.
Jurgis Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 This is crazy. Who is going to go on a cruise this August? https://news.yahoo.com/carnival-announces-comeback-cruises-resume-154302608.html Same people who go anywhere regardless of crowds as soon as the lock-down ends.
Jurgis Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-politics-trust/coronavirus-health-fears-outweigh-concern-for-economy-global-survey-idUSKBN22H098 I am mostly for lockdowns, but this: “But people are saying, ‘We’ve already had six to seven weeks of this (restriction on activity), what’s another week or two?’” is wishful thinking. It's not "another week or two" whether we have lock-downs or not. It's likely another 6-10 months if not longer. So maybe reopen. It will likely cause flare ups and deaths, but at least there won't be "govt is killing us by lock-down" complaints.
arcube Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-politics-trust/coronavirus-health-fears-outweigh-concern-for-economy-global-survey-idUSKBN22H098 I am mostly for lockdowns, but this: “But people are saying, ‘We’ve already had six to seven weeks of this (restriction on activity), what’s another week or two?’” is wishful thinking. It's not "another week or two" whether we have lock-downs or not. It's likely another 6-10 months if not longer. So maybe reopen. It will likely cause flare ups and deaths, but at least there won't be "govt is killing us by lock-down" complaints. Could not agree more. But I am sure they will find another way to blame government.
Jurgis Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-politics-trust/coronavirus-health-fears-outweigh-concern-for-economy-global-survey-idUSKBN22H098 I am mostly for lockdowns, but this: “But people are saying, ‘We’ve already had six to seven weeks of this (restriction on activity), what’s another week or two?’” is wishful thinking. It's not "another week or two" whether we have lock-downs or not. It's likely another 6-10 months if not longer. So maybe reopen. It will likely cause flare ups and deaths, but at least there won't be "govt is killing us by lock-down" complaints. Could not agree more. But I am sure they will find another way to blame government. Yeah, that is certain.
K2SO Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Trump brags about doing things that are consensual. Trump has never bragged about assault. The women disagree with you that it was consensual, including the 13 yr old girl that Trump allegedly raped in Jeffery Epstein's apartment: The number of women who have accused Trump of rape or sexual assault is at least 12 https://www.mic.com/articles/156669/how-many-women-have-accused-donald-trump-of-rape-or-sexual-assault#.KujVwb2jl Whoever thinks Trump was bragging about consensuel stuff, I have a bridge I’d like to sell them. Political discourse has now degraded to the level that we're arguing which sexual harasser is the least bad. What an absolute tragedy that at a time when we need strong leadership, there is none to be found.
Liberty Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 It's not "another week or two" whether we have lock-downs or not. It's likely another 6-10 months if not longer. I don't think SK or NZ will have 6-10 months of lockdown. They might bounce back and forth between tighter and looser measures, but places that did this well (lockdown to crush the initial curve + masks + massive testing + contact tracing) are in much better shape.
Liberty Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-admin-seizing-ppe/ "Under U.S. President Donald Trump, federal authorities are confiscating orders of personal protective equipment (PPE) from local governments amid the COVID-19 pandemic."
Jurgis Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 It's not "another week or two" whether we have lock-downs or not. It's likely another 6-10 months if not longer. I don't think SK or NZ will have 6-10 months of lockdown. They might bounce back and forth between tighter and looser measures, but places that did this well (lockdown to crush the initial curve + masks + massive testing + contact tracing) are in much better shape. Sure. I was talking mostly US and somewhat Europe. Places that have close to zero cases + test/trace/etc probably will do fine without lock downs. And definitely will do better without lock downs than places that still have tons of cases and don't test/trace.
Spekulatius Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 About that reopening https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-texas/texas-back-in-business-barely-yall-as-malls-restaurants-empty-idUSKBN22H19K The problem is as follows: if mall/whatever reopened, I would go there if I knew I'd be the only person in the mall. But then store(s) don't get enough business. OTOH, if everyone rushes in, then I wouldn't go there. So likely you can't get many people there. It's also possible that there will be a bad feedback loop: people don't go to malls, cases don't rise, people think that it's safe and go to malls, then cases rise again, rinse, repeat? Restaurants are more complicated than stores. Even if I'm the only customer there, there is a risk of getting infected from the staff. More risk than if I ordered for delivery. So screw going to restaurant. Most people can’t conceptualize risk from something not visible, so they will conclude that Malls are safe, because other people go there, which ironically makes them less safe.
Liberty Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 It's not "another week or two" whether we have lock-downs or not. It's likely another 6-10 months if not longer. I don't think SK or NZ will have 6-10 months of lockdown. They might bounce back and forth between tighter and looser measures, but places that did this well (lockdown to crush the initial curve + masks + massive testing + contact tracing) are in much better shape. Sure. I was talking mostly US and somewhat Europe. Places that have close to zero cases + test/trace/etc probably will do fine without lock downs. And definitely will do better without lock downs than places that still have tons of cases and don't test/trace. Yeah, meanwhile in the US..
Viking Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 About that reopening https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-texas/texas-back-in-business-barely-yall-as-malls-restaurants-empty-idUSKBN22H19K The problem is as follows: if mall/whatever reopened, I would go there if I knew I'd be the only person in the mall. But then store(s) don't get enough business. OTOH, if everyone rushes in, then I wouldn't go there. So likely you can't get many people there. It's also possible that there will be a bad feedback loop: people don't go to malls, cases don't rise, people think that it's safe and go to malls, then cases rise again, rinse, repeat? Restaurants are more complicated than stores. Even if I'm the only customer there, there is a risk of getting infected from the staff. More risk than if I ordered for delivery. So screw going to restaurant. What this speaks to is the importance of the response from the government, at all three levels: if people have confidence in Federal, State and Local governments and trusts what they are saying and doing regarding the virus then phase 2 (post lockdown) will go better (keep case count low and maximize economic activity). Lots of learnings to come.
Liberty Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1257741326650470400?s=20 Well run States should not be bailing out poorly run States, using CoronaVirus as the excuse! The elimination of Sanctuary Cities, Payroll Taxes, and perhaps Capital Gains Taxes, must be put on the table. Also lawsuit indemnification & business deductions for restaurants & ent. How to politicize a pandemic and basically blackmail people in doing your pet wishes while witholding the help that they need and deserve by being, y'know, part of the country. What he calls bailouts are actually just being a single country. When New Orleans or Mississippi or Florida gets hit by a huge hurricane and they get help, are they getting "bailed out" by the other states or is helping the worst hit places just the function of a government? The most urban states are worse hit first by pandemics, that's biology, but he's claiming this is some kind of political thing to punish enemies. How sociopathic do you have to be as people are suffering and dying? Don't the urban coastal states pay a lot more to the federal government than many of the poorer states that aren't too badly hit yet? So they are supposed to pay more and get less in return? When he bailed out farmers when his tarrifs hurt them, that was fine because it was political allies, right? Is he trying to break up the United States?
Liberty Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Oh, and he's thinking about phasing out the coronavirus task force... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/05/white-house-considers-phasing-out-coronavirus-task-force-source-says.html If you declare victory and ignore the virus, it'll probably go away before the election, must be the thinking. Not like we have to stay on top of this thing like a hawk to have any chance of getting the best outcome possible.
ERICOPOLY Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1257741326650470400?s=20 Well run States should not be bailing out poorly run States, using CoronaVirus as the excuse! The elimination of Sanctuary Cities, Payroll Taxes, and perhaps Capital Gains Taxes, must be put on the table. Also lawsuit indemnification & business deductions for restaurants & ent. How to politicize a pandemic and basically blackmail people in doing your pet wishes while witholding the help that they need and deserve by being, y'know, part of the country. What he calls bailouts are actually just being a single country. When New Orleans or Mississippi or Florida gets hit by a huge hurricane and they get help, are they getting "bailed out" by the other states or is helping the worst hit places just the function of a government? The most urban states are worse hit first by pandemics, that's biology, but he's claiming this is some kind of political thing to punish enemies. How sociopathic do you have to be as people are suffering and dying? Don't the urban coastal states pay a lot more to the federal government than many of the poorer states that aren't too badly hit yet? So they are supposed to pay more and get less in return? When he bailed out farmers when his tarrifs hurt them, that was fine because it was political allies, right? Is he trying to break up the United States? He must have read the weekend's headlines about his party deserting him, so he's showing support for eliminating cap gains, expanding business deduction limits, and cutting payroll taxes. And he's using coronavirus as the excuse to cover his tracks of obviously buying votes here, and covering his tracks of using that excuse by first accusing Democrats of using Coronavirus as an excuse.
Jurgis Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 About that reopening https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-texas/texas-back-in-business-barely-yall-as-malls-restaurants-empty-idUSKBN22H19K The problem is as follows: if mall/whatever reopened, I would go there if I knew I'd be the only person in the mall. But then store(s) don't get enough business. OTOH, if everyone rushes in, then I wouldn't go there. So likely you can't get many people there. It's also possible that there will be a bad feedback loop: people don't go to malls, cases don't rise, people think that it's safe and go to malls, then cases rise again, rinse, repeat? Restaurants are more complicated than stores. Even if I'm the only customer there, there is a risk of getting infected from the staff. More risk than if I ordered for delivery. So screw going to restaurant. Most people can’t conceptualize risk from something not visible, so they will conclude that Malls are save, because other people go there, which ironically makes them less safe. Agreed.
Jurgis Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 It's not "another week or two" whether we have lock-downs or not. It's likely another 6-10 months if not longer. I don't think SK or NZ will have 6-10 months of lockdown. They might bounce back and forth between tighter and looser measures, but places that did this well (lockdown to crush the initial curve + masks + massive testing + contact tracing) are in much better shape. Sure. I was talking mostly US and somewhat Europe. Places that have close to zero cases + test/trace/etc probably will do fine without lock downs. And definitely will do better without lock downs than places that still have tons of cases and don't test/trace. Yeah, meanwhile in the US.. "Your honor, my client was exercising her 2nd amendment rights to kill the virus that was sitting on the guard's head".
Jurgis Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1257741326650470400?s=20 Well run States should not be bailing out poorly run States, using CoronaVirus as the excuse! The elimination of Sanctuary Cities, Payroll Taxes, and perhaps Capital Gains Taxes, must be put on the table. Also lawsuit indemnification & business deductions for restaurants & ent. How to politicize a pandemic and basically blackmail people in doing your pet wishes while witholding the help that they need and deserve by being, y'know, part of the country. What he calls bailouts are actually just being a single country. When New Orleans or Mississippi or Florida gets hit by a huge hurricane and they get help, are they getting "bailed out" by the other states or is helping the worst hit places just the function of a government? The most urban states are worse hit first by pandemics, that's biology, but he's claiming this is some kind of political thing to punish enemies. How sociopathic do you have to be as people are suffering and dying? Don't the urban coastal states pay a lot more to the federal government than many of the poorer states that aren't too badly hit yet? So they are supposed to pay more and get less in return? When he bailed out farmers when his tarrifs hurt them, that was fine because it was political allies, right? Is he trying to break up the United States? Hey, we are really glad Kim Jong Un is alive and well!
watsa_is_a_randian_hero Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Trump brags about doing things that are consensual. Trump has never bragged about assault. The women disagree with you that it was consensual, including the 13 yr old girl that Trump allegedly raped in Jeffery Epstein's apartment: The number of women who have accused Trump of rape or sexual assault is at least 12 https://www.mic.com/articles/156669/how-many-women-have-accused-donald-trump-of-rape-or-sexual-assault#.KujVwb2jl I could pay someone to accuse you of raping them when they were 12...that doesn't mean that it happened. Trump is not epstein or weinstein or cosby...there is nothing credible or convicted (or even prosecuted). Again, you can't say "____ brags about assaulting women" when assault is a crime he has never been convicted of (or even prosecuted for). He bragged about getting women because of fame and money - you have to be really ignorant to be oblivious to this. Anyone who says that just sounds jealous that he gets laid because he has fame and money (and you don't, so you feel some need to take him down). To really hammer the point home about how ludicrous the idea is, envision you are trump and have his personality. Think long and hard about it, and the ego. Do you really think someone like that would say they need to assault a women to get laid? This would be a total contradiction to the personality. Requiring assault to get laid is an admission you couldn't do it on your own...this is a total contradiction to Trumps talk-track...he would never "brag about assaulting women". He would brag about getting laid (consensually) because of who he is (fame/wealth/personality)...those who don't see this are failing an iq test or just simply blinded by jealousy.
Liberty Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 The coronavirus response being spearheaded by President Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, has relied in part on volunteers from consulting and private equity firms with little expertise in the tasks to which they were assigned, exacerbating chronic problems in obtaining supplies for hospitals and other needs, according to numerous government officials and a volunteer involved in the effort. The document alleges that the team responsible for PPE had little success in helping the government secure such equipment, in part because none of the team’s members had significant experience in health care, procurement or supply-chain operations. In addition, none of the volunteers had existing relationships with manufacturers or a clear understanding of customs requirements or Food and Drug Administration rules, according to the complaint and two senior administration officials. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kushner-coronavirus-effort-said-to-be-hampered-by-inexperienced-volunteers/2020/05/05/6166ef0c-8e1c-11ea-9e23-6914ee410a5f_story.html I guess that's partly why Trump makes up reasons for not helping states when they ask for help. He's just too incompetent to actually do it even if he wanted to.
Liberty Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Trump brags about doing things that are consensual. Trump has never bragged about assault. The women disagree with you that it was consensual, including the 13 yr old girl that Trump allegedly raped in Jeffery Epstein's apartment: The number of women who have accused Trump of rape or sexual assault is at least 12 https://www.mic.com/articles/156669/how-many-women-have-accused-donald-trump-of-rape-or-sexual-assault#.KujVwb2jl I could pay someone to accuse you of raping them when they were 12...that doesn't mean that it happened. Trump is not epstein or weinstein or cosby...there is nothing credible or convicted (or even prosecuted). Again, you can't say "____ brags about assaulting women" when assault is a crime he has never been convicted of (or even prosecuted for). He bragged about getting women because of fame and money - you have to be really ignorant to be oblivious to this. Anyone who says that just sounds jealous that he gets laid because he has fame and money (and you don't, so you feel some need to take him down). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations Bonus if you can find me similar amount of allegations against other wealthy/famous people where all the allegations turned out were untrue. I mean, just based on who Trump is, I'd be way more surprised if he hadn't committed sexual assault than if he had. He's breaking all other rules of ethics and cares only about himself, has no shame or remorse for anything, and we know how he talks about women and how he's cheated on all his wives (including with a porn star that he paid hush money to), so what would be most out of character? Do you also believe in the tooth fairy?
Guest Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 How about we bailout states but also give the same amount of money to every other state? If they want to use it for healthcare or some other reason, it's up to each one.
cobafdek Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Chinese propaganda bots have infected CoBF. Examples: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-admin-seizing-ppe/ "Under U.S. President Donald Trump, federal authorities are confiscating orders of personal protective equipment (PPE) from local governments amid the COVID-19 pandemic." https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1257741326650470400?s=20 Well run States should not be bailing out poorly run States, using CoronaVirus as the excuse! The elimination of Sanctuary Cities, Payroll Taxes, and perhaps Capital Gains Taxes, must be put on the table. Also lawsuit indemnification & business deductions for restaurants & ent. How to politicize a pandemic and basically blackmail people in doing your pet wishes while witholding the help that they need and deserve by being, y'know, part of the country. What he calls bailouts are actually just being a single country. When New Orleans or Mississippi or Florida gets hit by a huge hurricane and they get help, are they getting "bailed out" by the other states or is helping the worst hit places just the function of a government? The most urban states are worse hit first by pandemics, that's biology, but he's claiming this is some kind of political thing to punish enemies. How sociopathic do you have to be as people are suffering and dying? Don't the urban coastal states pay a lot more to the federal government than many of the poorer states that aren't too badly hit yet? So they are supposed to pay more and get less in return? When he bailed out farmers when his tarrifs hurt them, that was fine because it was political allies, right? Is he trying to break up the United States? He must have read the weekend's headlines about his party deserting him, so he's showing support for eliminating cap gains, expanding business deduction limits, and cutting payroll taxes. And he's using coronavirus as the excuse to cover his tracks of obviously buying votes here, and covering his tracks of using that excuse by first accusing Democrats of using Coronavirus as an excuse. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kushner-coronavirus-effort-said-to-be-hampered-by-inexperienced-volunteers/2020/05/05/6166ef0c-8e1c-11ea-9e23-6914ee410a5f_story.html I guess that's partly why Trump makes up reasons for not helping states when they ask for help. He's just too incompetent to actually do it even if he wanted to.
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