nwoodman Posted November 28, 2024 Posted November 28, 2024 (edited) Atlas has reported https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=0001794846 Quick Summary Financial Performance: Revenue Q3 2024: $601.4M (up 34.7% from Q3 2023) Year-to-date: $1,676.5M (up 35.4% from 2023) Growth primarily driven by delivery of 41 newbuild vessels since September 2023 Operating Results Operating earnings: $334.6M in Q3 2024 (up from $218.5M) Net earnings: $130.6M in Q3 2024 (down from $142.9M) Operating expenses increased to $107.6M (up 15.9%) Vessel utilization improved to 98.6% Cash Flow & Liquidity Operating cash flow: $400.1M in Q3 (up from $189.5M) Total liquidity: $1.25B Cash: $549.4M Undrawn credit: $700.0M Total borrowings: $10.39B Weighted average interest rate: 6.66% Fleet Operations: Current Fleet 182 operating vessels Total capacity: 1,873,880 TEU Average vessel age: 7 years Fleet utilization: 98.6% Vessel Development 36 vessels under construction 6 newbuilds delivered in Q3 3 additional deliveries in October/November New orders for six 13,000 TEU and six 13,600 TEU vessels Strategic Developments: Formed ONESEA Solutions joint venture with ONE Entered sale-leaseback financing for multiple vessels Significant vessel order activity with both owned and novated contracts Dividends: Q3 dividends: $52.0M (down from $208.0M in Q3 2023) Year-to-date dividends: $156.0M (down from $274.0M) Balance Sheet Position: Total assets: $15.69B (up from $13.07B end of 2023) Shareholders' equity: $4.56B Total borrowings-to-asset ratio: 66.2% Future Outlook: Strong contracted revenue stream with $23.5B in gross contracted cash flows Continued fleet expansion through newbuild program Focus on maintaining high utilization rates and operational efficiency Strategic emphasis on long-term contracted cash flows and fleet modernization Ongoing capital investment in fleet maintenance and expansion Edited November 28, 2024 by nwoodman
dartmonkey Posted November 29, 2024 Posted November 29, 2024 5 hours ago, Viking said: I would love to see Eurobank pull a Stelco and vacuum up a massive amount of stock while their stock is trading at such a cheap valuation. This would materially increase Fairfax’s ownership position which would be amazing. Is Fairfax restricted from buying more? The price has gone up nicely, but not spectacularly; €2 now, and they were in a range between €0.50-1.00 seven or eight years ago, when they looked like they might not survive. between ). With earnings steady at about €0.36, they are at about 6 times earnings. Fairfax only owns 32.9%, couldn't they go a little higher, or do they have a standstill agreement with Eurobank or with the Greek regulators?
nwoodman Posted November 29, 2024 Posted November 29, 2024 (edited) This filing from 2021 (which may well be out of date) shows the reconciliation. It differentiates Fairfax Finacial’s position in Eurobank when including the Hellenic Financial Stability Fund (33%) and excluding HFSF (34.7%). https://www.eurobankholdings.gr/en/grafeio-tupou/etairiki-anakoinosi-20-07-21?utm_source=chatgpt.com “The HFSF holds shares in Greek banks as part of its mandate to stabilize the financial sector following the Greek financial crisis. However, it does not operate as a typical shareholder: • Voting Rights: The HFSF often holds restricted or limited voting rights. In some cases, it abstains from regular shareholder votes unless explicitly required to act in its supervisory role. • Non-Commercial Ownership: Unlike private shareholders (e.g., Fairfax), the HFSF’s primary goal is to ensure financial stability rather than profit or exert influence for strategic or operational decisions.” Edited November 29, 2024 by nwoodman
nwoodman Posted November 29, 2024 Posted November 29, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Haryana said: With apologies for nitpicking, I think you likely meant 67%. Indeed I did, thanks Edited November 29, 2024 by nwoodman
nwoodman Posted November 29, 2024 Posted November 29, 2024 Estimating Seaspan’s % of the global fleet. For the want of a better number I always figured 10% might be a material threshold CURRENT POSITION (Q3 2024): - Seaspan: 1,874,000 TEU - Global Fleet: 27.5M TEU - Current Market Share: 6.81% FUTURE POSITION (Est. 2026-2027): Seaspan Growth: - Current: 1,874,000 TEU - Newbuilds (36 vessels): ~450,000 TEU - Future Seaspan Total: ~2,324,000 TEU Global Fleet Growth Projection: - Current: 27.5M TEU - Industry orderbook: ~7.2M TEU (through 2026) - Estimated scrapping: ~1.5M TEU - Projected 2026 Global Fleet: ~33.2M TEU Future Market Share Calculation: 2,324,000 TEU / 33,200,000 TEU = 7.0% Key Context: - Seaspan's growth is secured through firm orders - Global fleet growth includes confirmed orderbook - Position as largest independent owner will be maintained - Share calculation considers both newbuild deliveries and vessel retirements - Excludes any potential M&A activity or additional orders Key Benefits at 10%: Shipyard Pricing: Better newbuild pricing and priority slots Financing: Improved terms and broader funding options Operating Costs: Enhanced economies of scale Charter Markets: Greater influence on charter rates Industry Influence: Stronger voice in regulatory and industry matters
nwoodman Posted November 29, 2024 Posted November 29, 2024 (edited) A Tradewinds article (attached), reporting on Q3, indicates that the five vessels sold to ONE were then leased directly to OOCL, difficult to determine if this falls within the ONESEA JV. It makes you wonder whether Atlas has maxed the balance sheet, especially with the other novations. Time will tell. “Key Financial Metrics: Revenue: Up 34.7% to $601.4M ("Revenue was up at $601.4m, versus $446.6m") Net Profit: Down to $130.6M ("net profit in the third quarter was $130.6m, down from $142.9m") Interest Costs: Up 86.5% ("financial costs rose, notably interest to $174.6m from $93.6m") Strategic Moves: August Vessel Transaction Ordered 6 x 13,000 TEU vessels "Five of these contracts were novated to ONE in September 2024" Subsequently chartered by ONE to OOCL on 15-year terms June Newbuild Program "Four of these contracts were immediately novated to a customer" "13 of these contracts were thereafter novated to certain nominees and upon delivery, these 13 newbuilds will be chartered by the Company from such nominees under bareboat charters" Operational Execution: "During the first nine months of the year, it took delivery of 23 newbuildings at a cost of $2.4bn" "As at 30 September, Seaspan had 36 vessels under construction, down from 40 at the end of 2023" Strategic Implications: Moving from pure ownership model to mixed approach Financial pressure driving innovative structures Maintaining operational presence while reducing capital intensity Strategic relationship with ONE evolving (27.8% ownership) ONESEA JV represents new direction in service provision Conclusion: Seaspan are adapting to financial constraints while trying to maintain their market position, but the loss of the OOCL charter opportunity (through ONE) suggests they would prefer direct ownership when possible. This looks more like strategic adaptation to circumstances than a deliberate shift away from the ownership model.” Seaspan sells five boxship newbuilding contracts to ONE as profit falls TradeWinds.pdf Edited November 29, 2024 by nwoodman
petec Posted December 2, 2024 Author Posted December 2, 2024 On 11/29/2024 at 10:57 PM, nwoodman said: suggests they would prefer direct ownership when possible It's a while since I looked closely at Atlas, but I used to own it and followed it closely, and the sense I had was that they always optimised for IRR and meeting customer needs rather than type of ownership. So it may well be that they just got a good IRR from this deal. I was always slightly sceptical about this because IRR is only relevant if you can immediately redeploy the capital.
nwoodman Posted December 2, 2024 Posted December 2, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, petec said: It's a while since I looked closely at Atlas, but I used to own it and followed it closely, and the sense I had was that they always optimised for IRR and meeting customer needs rather than type of ownership. So it may well be that they just got a good IRR from this deal. I was always slightly sceptical about this because IRR is only relevant if you can immediately redeploy the capital. Quite possibly, these guys have more under utilised IQ points than I have in aggregate. Some thoughts nonetheless: 1. 2x's interest coverage may be the lower bound for covenants. 3x's give them a shot at IG. I think they don't have a choice at the moment given higher for longer 2. This play is a small but important part the overall Fairfax portfolio. If rates rise then Atlas sucks but Fairfax rolls at higher yield. Rates fall then Atlas becomes very profitable. 3. Good chance that there will be an embedded buyout clause in the novations. 4. These guys are clever, hopefully Brian Bradstreet is in someway involved on the debt side and advising as part of the broader portfolio 5. The only head scratcher is why are paying divs at this stage in their growth A rough cut on sensitivity: CURRENT POSITION (Q3 2024): Interest Expense: $174.6M quarterly ($698.4M annualized) Operating Earnings: $334.6M quarterly ($1,338.4M annualized) Current Interest Coverage: 2.3x Total Borrowings: $10.39B Average Interest Rate: 6.66% RATE SENSITIVITY: Interest Rate Changes (Annual Impact): +100bps: Additional Interest: +$103.9M New Interest Coverage: 1.96x Coverage Decline: -14.8% +50bps: Additional Interest: +$52M New Interest Coverage: 2.12x Coverage Decline: -7.8% -50bps: Interest Savings: -$52M New Interest Coverage: 2.48x Coverage Improvement: +7.8% -100bps: Interest Savings: -$103.9M New Interest Coverage: 2.69x Coverage Improvement: +17% FAIRFAX PERSPECTIVE: At higher rates: Atlas interest burden increases Fairfax investment portfolio yields improve Net positive for Fairfax despite Atlas stress At lower rates: Atlas profitability improves significantly Each 100bps = ~$104M annual impact Could accelerate path to investment grade Edit: In terms of divs, Fairfax may also see this as the return of capital phase as opposed to return on capital. Just spit balling. Edited December 2, 2024 by nwoodman
petec Posted December 3, 2024 Author Posted December 3, 2024 On 12/2/2024 at 10:43 AM, nwoodman said: Quite possibly, these guys have more under utilised IQ points than I have in aggregate. Some thoughts nonetheless: 1. 2x's interest coverage may be the lower bound for covenants. 3x's give them a shot at IG. I think they don't have a choice at the moment given higher for longer 2. This play is a small but important part the overall Fairfax portfolio. If rates rise then Atlas sucks but Fairfax rolls at higher yield. Rates fall then Atlas becomes very profitable. 3. Good chance that there will be an embedded buyout clause in the novations. 4. These guys are clever, hopefully Brian Bradstreet is in someway involved on the debt side and advising as part of the broader portfolio 5. The only head scratcher is why are paying divs at this stage in their growth A rough cut on sensitivity: CURRENT POSITION (Q3 2024): Interest Expense: $174.6M quarterly ($698.4M annualized) Operating Earnings: $334.6M quarterly ($1,338.4M annualized) Current Interest Coverage: 2.3x Total Borrowings: $10.39B Average Interest Rate: 6.66% RATE SENSITIVITY: Interest Rate Changes (Annual Impact): +100bps: Additional Interest: +$103.9M New Interest Coverage: 1.96x Coverage Decline: -14.8% +50bps: Additional Interest: +$52M New Interest Coverage: 2.12x Coverage Decline: -7.8% -50bps: Interest Savings: -$52M New Interest Coverage: 2.48x Coverage Improvement: +7.8% -100bps: Interest Savings: -$103.9M New Interest Coverage: 2.69x Coverage Improvement: +17% FAIRFAX PERSPECTIVE: At higher rates: Atlas interest burden increases Fairfax investment portfolio yields improve Net positive for Fairfax despite Atlas stress At lower rates: Atlas profitability improves significantly Each 100bps = ~$104M annual impact Could accelerate path to investment grade Edit: In terms of divs, Fairfax may also see this as the return of capital phase as opposed to return on capital. Just spit balling. I think the fact they're paying dividends tells you they're not capital constrained - the people involved are too rational and long term to make any other decision, but I could be wrong. I agree they're super smart, but I do think they got caught with their pants down somewhat when rates rose and I wonder why they didn't fix more of their liabilities, especially given that their contracts are not inflation-linked which I have always thought was a huge weakness of their model/the industry. I see it as a kind of levered option, but I like your point that FFH overall benefits more if rates rise than fall - I hadn't really considered this aspect of their Atlas investment.
Hoodlum Posted December 7, 2024 Posted December 7, 2024 It looks like the global bond market has recognized the stability at Eurobank. https://www.naftemporiki.gr/english/1848770/eurobank-strong-interest-in-600-million-euro-senior-preferred-notes/ The transaction received tremendous level of interest from the onset which resulted in a final demand of 3.4 billion euros, i.e. an oversubscription close to 6 times, thus enabling Eurobank to raise 600 million euro at a reduced credit spread of 125bps compared to the initial 155bps indication level. Upon new issue allocation, foreign investors’ participation accounted for approximately 93% of the subscribed amount of the book, with key participation from the United Kingdom and Ireland (40%), France (14%), Germany (13%) and Italy (9%). In terms of investor type, 68% were Fund Managers, 19% were Banks and Private Banks, 6% were Hedge Funds and 5% were Insurance and Pension Funds.
Hoodlum Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 Hellenic bank received a ratings upgrade on Friday. The update also provided some comments surrounding their decision and the impact from the Eurobank acquisition. https://www.financialmirror.com/2024/12/15/hellenic-bank-upgraded-on-strong-capitalisation-eurobank-synergies/ the acquisition by Eurobank is seen as strategically positive for HB given the expected synergies, particularly between the two Cyprus-based banks. Eurobank Cyprus’ corporate banking operations are complimentary to HB’s predominately retail banking franchise. “We therefore anticipate the planned merger to produce a more diversified balance sheet and earnings profile, and help address strategic challenges previously faced on a standalone basis,” CI Ratings said. “We expect overall asset quality to remain stable post-merger given Eurobank Cyprus’ sound risk profile,” the rating agency added. Capitalisation metrics are strong, as improved profitability and low dividend payouts have meant strong internal capital generation. Meanwhile, higher capitalisation in combination with the decline in the volume of NPLs has improved the bank’s extended NPL coverage; this offsets the modest LLR coverage ratio. Capitalisation is anticipated to remain strong after the planned merger in view of Eurobank Cyprus good capital ratios. “Looking ahead, we anticipate the quality of the funding base of the combined entity to remain good, despite Eurobank Cyprus having a much smaller proportion of retail deposits.”
wondering Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 A little nothing-burger of a Fairfax investment ZoomerMedia is going private. The market cap is 20M, FFH owns approx 15%. The selling price is 167% over the pre-announcement price. I have no idea if Fairfax made any money on this thing. I think if they broke even, they can call it a success. I feel embarrassed because after quickly reading the press release and some of the disclosures, I still can't figure out if Fairfax is part of the purchasing group or are they selling their shares too. under Continuing Shareholders paragraph "The Equity Commitment Provider is an affiliate of Fairfax.." What is an Equity Commitment Provider? Are they provide the loans for the buyout? ZoomerMedia-NC-final.pdf
SafetyinNumbers Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 2 hours ago, wondering said: A little nothing-burger of a Fairfax investment ZoomerMedia is going private. The market cap is 20M, FFH owns approx 15%. The selling price is 167% over the pre-announcement price. I have no idea if Fairfax made any money on this thing. I think if they broke even, they can call it a success. I feel embarrassed because after quickly reading the press release and some of the disclosures, I still can't figure out if Fairfax is part of the purchasing group or are they selling their shares too. under Continuing Shareholders paragraph "The Equity Commitment Provider is an affiliate of Fairfax.." What is an Equity Commitment Provider? Are they provide the loans for the buyout? ZoomerMedia-NC-final.pdf 3.1 MB · 8 downloads Looks like Northbridge is putting up most of the cash for the buyout. I bought some at 7.5 cents when the deal was announced. Seemed like a low risk arb.
Viking Posted January 8, 2025 Posted January 8, 2025 (edited) I am almost done putting together my ‘Top 10’ list of the most important things/events that drove shareholder value at Fairfax in 2024. My post should be out in the next couple of days. Eurobank deserves a special shout out. What it has accomplished/delivered over the past 4 years is amazing - it has delivered a total return of $2.1 billion to Fairfax shareholders (increase in market value + dividend paid). In 2024, it delivered a total return of $784 millon, or 35%. So it must be over valued today. Right? Wrong. It is still very (dirt?) cheap. (Tangible book value at Sept 30, 2024 was €2.27/share.) Importantly, it will be taking Hellenic Bank private in 2025 and this sets the table nicely for the next stage in the growth of the company (top and bottom lines). The management team at Eurobank has been making all the right moved for years now - and this should tell investors something. Bottom line, Eurobank is turning into one of Fairfax's best-ever investments. And it looks like it is just getting started. PS: one week into 2025, Eurobank's stock is up another $150 million. Edited January 8, 2025 by Viking
gfp Posted January 8, 2025 Posted January 8, 2025 Look at Eurobank breaking out! I hadn't noticed until your post
Viking Posted January 8, 2025 Posted January 8, 2025 (edited) 15 minutes ago, gfp said: Look at Eurobank breaking out! I hadn't noticed until your post +1. Both Eurobank and especially Hellenic Bank are overcapitalized. My guess is the management team at Eurobank is licking their chops - and already has a plan in place to 'solve' that problem. Another large dividend? Begin sizeable share buybacks? More acquisitions? (After they close on and digest Hellenic Bank) Edited January 8, 2025 by Viking
Viking Posted January 8, 2025 Posted January 8, 2025 (edited) Fairfax's second largest equity holding is FFH-TRS. This holding is up $914 million in 2024. Over the past 4 years it is up $2 billion. Now let's put Eurobank and FFH-TRS together. Together they are up $1.7 billion in 2024 ($784+$914). And $4.1 billion over the past 4 years. WOW! Fairfax's average total equity portfolio was probably about $20 billion in 2024. Eurobank and FFH-TRS represent about 26.5% of the total. In 2024, these two investments delivered a total return of 8.5%. Guess what Fairfax's equity portfolio delivered in 2024? A number much higher than 8.5%. Two investments delivered that. Fairfax has another 73.5% in equity investments that are - as a group - performing well (some very well). At the start of 2024, investors were WAY TOO PESSIMISTIC in their estimates of what Fairfax's equity portfolio would deliver in 2024 and future years. My guess is that remains the case today. Edited January 8, 2025 by Viking
Dinar Posted January 8, 2025 Posted January 8, 2025 This is going to sound horrible, but I think the California fire situation is about to drive premiums, including reinsurance up quite a bit. The property loss must be immense, and even if insurance losses are not that big, it might still enforce underwriting discipline. 1
gfp Posted January 8, 2025 Posted January 8, 2025 Sounds like the state of California FAIR Plan insurance outfit is going to get a large chunk of it. I wonder who sells reinsurance to that entity?
mananainvesting Posted January 8, 2025 Posted January 8, 2025 JP Morgan estimated $10B in Insured Losses due to California Wild Fires. https://www.investors.com/news/top-california-property-insurer-earns-double-upgrade-from-goldman/
Hoodlum Posted January 9, 2025 Posted January 9, 2025 51 minutes ago, mananainvesting said: JP Morgan estimated $10B in Insured Losses due to California Wild Fires. https://www.investors.com/news/top-california-property-insurer-earns-double-upgrade-from-goldman/ But with of most of that not covered by reinsurance. Based on a preliminary assessment of the affected area and historical events, insured losses from this fire could approach $10 billion, with primary carriers being more exposed than reinsurers, the note said. Arch Capital (ACGL) and RenaissanceRe (RNR) are the most exposed reinsurers, but their losses should be less than for similar events prior to 2023, the JPMorgan note said.
Hoodlum Posted January 9, 2025 Posted January 9, 2025 (edited) Just to close of on the Peak (Bauer acquisition). It looks like both CCM and Bauer were valued at 8x earning. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-northleaf-buys-ccm-stake-hockey-equipment/ Quote Altor’s growth strategy at Rossignol included building the company’s sports clothing business. Mr. Nabib said under its new owners, CCM plans to expand its apparel sales. The private equity funds declined to disclose the terms of the transaction. Two sources with knowledge of the sale said Altor and Northleaf paid a total of $600-million in enterprise value – equity plus debt – which is eight times the company’s earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization (EBITDA) last year. Private equity firms control the hockey equipment industry. CCM has approximately 35 per cent of the market and its major rival is Bauer Hockey LLC, with a roughly 60-per-cent share. In October, Fairfax Financial Holdings Ltd. announced a deal to take control of Bauer by acquiring Sagard Holdings Inc.’s stake. The two sources said Fairfax also paid eight times EBITDA for Bauer, and Altor looked at buying the company before purchasing CCM. Edited January 9, 2025 by Hoodlum
Maverick47 Posted January 9, 2025 Posted January 9, 2025 On 1/8/2025 at 1:38 PM, gfp said: Sounds like the state of California FAIR Plan insurance outfit is going to get a large chunk of it. I wonder who sells reinsurance to that entity? All of the primary property insurers in the state share in the losses of the FAIR plan in proportion to their own voluntary market shares. They will receive assessments from the FAIR plan to pay for losses that exceed the Plan’s ability to pay…because of this, I don’t believe the FAIR plan purchases reinsurance coverage itself, but I could be wrong about that. I also don’t know how companies’ assessments are handled. In some states, companies are allowed to recoup FAIR plan assessments in future years from their own future customers by adding recoupment surcharges to their customers’ bills until they have recouped the full amount of the assessment they paid previously. Since a recoupment mechanism may exist, typical cat reinsurance contracts wouldn’t cover assessments. Another possibility if a state doesn’t allow this sort of assessment recoupment mechanism is for their catastrophe reinsurance contract to specifically allow for these FAIR Plan assessments to be included with their own direct losses reported to their reinsurers. In that case, it would be difficult to know which reinsurers have the most exposure since it would depend upon the reinsurance contract language for each primary company, loss attachment points, and the percentage share of each reinsurer in the company’s cat reinsurance treaty….
gfp Posted January 10, 2025 Posted January 10, 2025 3 hours ago, Maverick47 said: All of the primary property insurers in the state share in the losses of the FAIR plan in proportion to their own voluntary market shares. They will receive assessments from the FAIR plan to pay for losses that exceed the Plan’s ability to pay…because of this, I don’t believe the FAIR plan purchases reinsurance coverage itself, but I could be wrong about that. I also don’t know how companies’ assessments are handled. In some states, companies are allowed to recoup FAIR plan assessments in future years from their own future customers by adding recoupment surcharges to their customers’ bills until they have recouped the full amount of the assessment they paid previously. Since a recoupment mechanism may exist, typical cat reinsurance contracts wouldn’t cover assessments. Another possibility if a state doesn’t allow this sort of assessment recoupment mechanism is for their catastrophe reinsurance contract to specifically allow for these FAIR Plan assessments to be included with their own direct losses reported to their reinsurers. In that case, it would be difficult to know which reinsurers have the most exposure since it would depend upon the reinsurance contract language for each primary company, loss attachment points, and the percentage share of each reinsurer in the company’s cat reinsurance treaty…. thanks Maverick47! Also explains all these line items on my Louisiana insurance policies that are tacked on "2005 Louisiana FAIR plan emergency assessment" ... That was 20 years ago and I'm still paying several hundred
Maverick47 Posted January 10, 2025 Posted January 10, 2025 4 hours ago, gfp said: thanks Maverick47! Also explains all these line items on my Louisiana insurance policies that are tacked on "2005 Louisiana FAIR plan emergency assessment" ... That was 20 years ago and I'm still paying several hundred From what I can tell, the 2005 hurricane losses to the Louisiana FAIR plan were higher than the maximum 10% of 2005 statewide voluntary property premiums in the state that the FAIR plan was allowed to assess…so they issued revenue bonds to pay the 2005 FAIR plan losses instead, and the assessments since then have been used to retire the bonds. If I’m not mistaken, the Louisiana assessments started in 2007 and are expected to end in 2025. So if there are no assessable FAIR plan losses in 2025 and forward, you may be able to see those surcharges finally drop off your insurance bills in the not too distant future…
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