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There is nothing illegal about seeking the death penalty. There may be illegality in how he goes about that. But simply saying he will seek the death penalty is not illegal.

The death penalty is the legal penalty following a criminal conviction for serious crimes like murder. Not remotely the same as illegally murdering someone because they said something you don’t like, or just because. And even if Trump was to try and mandate it, he would have to change the law first. Even then, it’s not the same.

^ man shouts at the sky It’s not even remotely comparable Lc.

Yeh, but it was like 1,500 people in one go. I know many prosecutions were tough, but here is probably some who got pardon who should have got time served. In any case, it's not nearly as bad many claim.

A fair criticism is why the sweeping (not quite blanket) pardons though.

It's so weird that so many of you cannot reason when it comes to Trump. Apart from the Trump supporter, who was shot by police and later died of her injuries, all the others died from suicide, natural causes, or a drug overdose*: https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/ Trump was impeached and acquitted for inciting a riot. He wasn't impeached for calling on people to be killed. Trump said "If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore", but he also said to march to the capitol and "Peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard". Again, not even close to calling on people to be killed. There were no criminal charges brought against Trump relating to January 6, no court case, no conviction. So what are you talking about dealraker? * You might consider that 2 people died if you believe the officer who died from a stroke got his stroke as a result of being pepper sprayed.

Lol your ‘Trump has called for people to be killed’ turned out to be Trump saying we should have capital punishment for serious crimes. It’s good to know that you can’t see any important differences between legal capital punishment for serious crimes (like murder), and a person illegally taking the law into their own hands to assassinate someone because they didn’t like what they said. A charitable take is maybe you just don’t get those differences. Another take is you do understand but are blurring the lines deliberately. In either case it’s clear that you can’t reason or won’t reason, and so you fall into the ‘can’t be reasoned with’ category. Also, I was clear that I wasn’t talking about bridging a political gap between ordinary Dems and Rep, most of whom probably don’t need to be told that political assassinations are wrong.

You were not just asking who they are lol. You were telling us who you thought they were. There is no clear line but let’s start with the extremely small number who actually assassinate or attempt to assassinate people they disagree with their speech. With regards to Trump and Yusef Salaam, are you talking about this advert he took out about violence in Central Park any some of it needed the death penalty: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6131533-trumpdeathpenaltyad05011989/ If not, what specific quote are you referring to?

I literally both sided this LC and that wasn’t enough? You talk the talk about coming together but can’t both sides it - got it. That’s a true comment from Kirk, who believed in broadening the death penalty to murder and treason. He felt Biden’s deliberate reversal of Trump’s immigration policies might have amounted to Treason, but it’s not like he is saying just go out and assassinate Biden either. Regarding Trump, who has he called to be killed? You said ‘many’ so let’s the see the many. I don’t know for sure where it originates (started most recently?). Are we going back to attack on Steve Scalise? Targeted because some dude thought he was a fascist and evil Trump supporter?

Thanks, and yeh, I don’t get it. The average, middle American (or middle whatever), Dems and Republicans, who share core values - don’t they really need told? The people causing all this shit, you think they can be reasoned with?

Lol. Some of these people think it was Israel. Complete idiots.

How do you actually come together with people who think it’s ok to kill others and then other celebrate it? Not even making a point about Kirk, I’m both siding it. You can’t actually come together with people who fundamentally don’t share your values. And I’m not talking about people who disagree on tax, or healthcare, or all that other political stuff… that can be bridged. I mean morally. If you don’t share fundamental morals there is no coming together.

Sequence. From: - Nobody knows his ideology. - He’s politically far-right groyper. - He’s a Christian nationalist. - It’s got nothing to do with trans. - It was right wing propagandist that radicalised him. Current and future: - OK so he might be left, so what? - Trans might have something to do with it, how is this relevant? - So he thought Kirk was hateful, so did I. - Yes the media did misrepresent Kirk, it’s a free country people can say what they want.

No, that’s not what was said. He killed Kirk. The bullet said catch this fascist. He had anti-fascist slogans on another bullet. He’s dating a trans. He said to family he thought Kirk was ‘full of hate’. The governor said he had ‘leftist ideology’. Those are the facts from people close to the investigation. All the groyper stuff is reading tea leaves made up by people looking to bend the narrative. And if you think being called fascist and the media lying about Kirk doesn’t contribute to the narrative that he’s ’full of hate’, I don’t know what to tell you.

Nobody knows for sure how he was radicalised. Although if he’s a fascist, racist, and apparently believed in stoning gays or justified the killing of kids, as others ITT believed and which some media outlets reported, then how can you be sure it didn’t contribute? It‘S kinda funny that you are mocking the idea of being radicalised by MSM, whilst dealraker is basically saying that Foxnews is a propaganda platform. It will come to light in due course, but I still don’t get why we don’t just take the basics at face value.

LOL! Yeh, I swear people’s brainpower drops 25% when it comes to the my side your side thing. Like you said in the other post, circle the important information and decide based on that. In this day and age anyone who would only ever vote for party x are part of the problem with politics. I label myself a conservative but in terms of voting I’m agnostic about what party I vote for. Right now it’s the left that have went mad, and 20 years it may well be the right.

What’s the chances, that a guy who his own family said he thought Kirk was ‘hateful’ actually didn’t think Kirk was hateful enough; Who wrote ‘hey fascist, catch this’; A guy is dating a male-female trans person; and who his friends and former classmates said he was a lefty Redditor; Is actually a far-right lunatic? Very low.

I see lots of internet warriors trying to get these people sacked. Their view is if you think other people using their free speech deserve death then you can’t complain if your free speech gets you fired. At the very least I think it would be good to get back to a time that even if you believe these things, you keep your mouth shut in your professional capacity.

Yeh, and there are other groups like this. Saw a video of a black nationalist basically saying go out and kill white people. Not sure if it’s the same group as this one.

This is a small group of nuts. However, this movement will grow when people like Kirk are considered fascist and killed for their opinions. By killing right wingers who just wanted a chat you drive people to the violent right wingers.

I’ll never agree that killing someone because of this is ok. But it’s also clear I don’t know enough about these laws. I’ll do some reading.

I agree with much of that and I think people have a right to be angry. But I don’t think refusing health care (because of some insurance technicality - or whatever) is the same are cold blooded murder. Murder is an intentional act to kill, whereas not providing health care is unwillingness to save. Big difference morally. Still… I think you guys need to get your Government to put their boot on the neck of these companies.

I spent too much time on some of these stupid forums when I was younger - unfortunately. There are a lot of whacky people out there. My wife was saying that when the United Healthcare CEO was shot several people in her work were saying ‘good’, ‘one down x amount to go’ etc. For some reason people think they can say this vile shit in public now and act as if YOU are the weird one for thinking killing people is wrong.

Why were they thrown out

I think you should look back in the thread a bit LC. Cubs and I agree on many things, I like Cubs in fact. However Cubs and I have had plenty of arguments, particularly around Ukraine and tariffs, and I’ve said already to Cubs (several times) that I thought some of his views and behaviour were cultish. More generally. I don’t know a thing about the Governor issue and I try my best to not comment on things where my starting knowledge is zero. Not looked into it at all and I don’t intend to. I’ve said many times (I’m a broken record) that I’m not American. I’ve been deliberately trying to avoid this thread and US politics. Relatively successfully for weeks - until I saw the video of the girl getting killed on a train, and then Kirk. And after I’ve blown off steam I’m going to try and ignore US politics again - for as long as I can.