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That doesn’t actually say anything other than they should due process. Which bring me back to the original point, other than prove then have a legal right to stay, what exactly is there to do? You either have that right and you prove it, or you don’t. You can appeal is a third option, but an appeal doesn’t have to be accepted either.

Question. Other than proving you are here legally, what other due process is required?

The comparisons with the Jews in Nazi Germany are truly silly. Before WW2 most of the Jews were in Germany legally and committed no crime. Illegal immigrants have broken federal law and are not citizens. I’m not aware of any country that doesn’t deport or have laws which punish illegal entry and stay. Some, including Russia, Austria, Singapore and India impose significant jail time and nobody says a dam thing about it.

Obama’s family separation policy had young kids in what were described as ‘cages’ which seems to have been forgotten about. With respect to the differences. Under Obama and Biden there were caravans of migrants coming to the US. Many deportations took place at the border upon interception (more or less). Trump isn’t getting large number of migrants coming to the border. Instead the illegals he’s deporting are all around the country, very often caught and then released. That’s why you are seeing a surge of ICE in cities. The illegals being deported are those who know they shouldn’t be in the US, have been told to leave, and are refusing to do comply. The only recourse is for ICE to go door to door to get them.

I’m aware of some of these cases already because they have been posted in this thread. Enough documented cases to what though - stop ICE doing their job? Fairly call them Gestapo? What is your point?

Apparently not enforcing the law is good, but deporting those who broke federal law to get into your country makes you the Gestapo. And imagine thinking those who disagree with you are the extremists.

There was a whole discussion about this earlier in this thread. Equally cultish is taking these figures at face value, and not bothering to read into the context and differences - which are fairly obvious with even a few minutes of research.

That wasn’t even the only two options available. We could have let anyone who wanted to isolate to do so and let the rest get on with their lives. Older and sick - here are x y z resources to help you isolate yourself. There was a middle way which was obvious.

2 weeks to stop the spread was how it was signposted here in the UK initially which became 2 years of hell. Just massive government overreach.

I don’t know of any schools that ask about vaccination status, or require it for attendance. I would expect very few since the vaccines aren’t mandatory in the first place. It’s strongly recommended, and most people follow the advice.

Unfortunately Greg, my wife who is Master educated got the jitters about vaccines recently but I made sure my boy got them.

You spoke about aids and Ebola dwy the page over lol. lets just move on

Then why bring it up? Just speak to what we have. I agree Kennedy is a loon. All I did was point out that we in the UK don’t have a mandate and we have a higher rate of uptake than Florida which does. And just because you don’t believe in mandates for all vaccines, it doesn’t mean you suddenly endorse Kennedy’s views.

You said: ”So if someone has a serious transmittable disease like Ebola or Aids do you believe they have the right to do nothing to prevent spreading it to others?” I’m saying comparing all the vaccines on the vaccine schedule to AIDS or Ebola is not helpful. That attitude is part of the reason why there is a fight about vaccines at all. It’s like you MUST take all these vaccines I tell you are else.

Why would you think that’s the point I’m making? I’m saying comparing a range of illnesses and acting like vaccines are equally necessary is silly. I mention Hep B because it’s a vaccine most kids don’t need right after birth.

Hep B is not transmitted in the same way as measles and the reasons why kids might have so little of it are not the same as measles. ”Hepatitis B is transmitted through contact with infected blood, semen, or vaginal fluids, most commonly via unprotected sex, sharing needles, or from an infected mother to her baby during birth.” Most kids aren't exposed to it. The vaccine is the icing on the cake.

Ludicrous take from Roger. Was referring to Hep B

This a crazy and authoritarian post. Kind of ironic. Most of the childhood vaccines are not for diseases like Ebola or AIDs. Some are for Hep which a child is unlikely to get.

Are you guys deliberately missing the point? It’s not about the science or the efficacy of vaccines but whether it is mandated. The UK doesn’t have a mandate and yet from a quick look at the stats more kids here have their childhood shots than Florida where it was mandated.

Immigration has been bad for living standards. We have 10 million extra people, mostly immigrants (if not all) pushing wages down and pushing up the cost of living. I’m doing well, but many others aren’t. The country and its politicans are a joke.

Several European countries don’t have mandatory childhood vaccinations. Including the country I live in. I still got all my shots and so did my kids. Not the craziness you think it is.

Yes the UK has issues, but its not a quick policy fix either. As a person who will be voting political parties to disrupt the status quo, I think you significantly overestimate the significance of the economy. What is actually driving me and others to vote certain ways are social and cultural issues.

Because Dutch GDP is not dominated by Amsterdam in the same as London dominates UK economic activity. And, as I said above, in the UK London is a giant economic sucker that pulls in companies, talent from other regions.

You're missing the point Dalal. I'm saying 'no shit' living standards are lower if you academically chop off the economic engine of the UK. But we don't live in academic theory, London is part of the UK, and the rest of the UK receives large economic transfers from London. I don't know why you keep saying 'deny this reality'. It is what it is. In no reality though are we chopping off London from the UK.

The whole argument is akin to saying the state of New York's productivity is way lower if you subtract New York City - no shit. London giant economic hoover that pulls in investment, economic activity, and most importantly people from the rest of the UK. It's unlike all the other comparisons because London makes up such a large portion of the UK's overall GDP. There are large fiscal transfers from the London area, and South East of the UK in general, to the rest of the UK. So while productivity is lower, as Spek says, that is not to be confused with quality of life. I'd love if there was a fix to the disparity with London and everywhere else in the UK though.