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That’s the way Trump mocks many people, just that the MSM cherry picked a time when the person he was mocking had a disability. Here are other examples of Trump doing the exact same mocking gestures for people not disabled: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1329717/Video-aims-disprove-claim-Trump-fun-disabled-reporter.html Edit - for clarity, I much preferred when conservatives were polite, and I dislike Trump’s vulgar approach. But you do appear to swallow the narrative very easily.

Yes the debating Union does have quite charged stuff. The reason for my posting that is that the unofficial moto of the Union is to uphold free speech and promote dialogue. Yet the incoming president is gloating that someone he debated against was murdered which runs contrary to the history and values of the place (so far as I can tell). For those on the left, many don’t seem to realise that the ground they're standing on is moving. The left today isn’t remotely like the left 20 years ago. The right has changed considerably too, but I can see it, and I’ve a good feel for the crazies because I spent far too long ‘debating’ (not the right word) many of those whackos online.

Just saw this. We do actually have something in common after all.

Have you said that you think Kirk’s murder is wrong Buckeye? Are you triggered by trolling now too? If you can’t take it don’t give it - that would be my advice. My kids love me btw, and I love them - I’m blessed. But sure, talk about my kids more, it definitely makes one of us look bad lol.

You’re triggered Buckeye? Maybe mute me. I don’t want my hurty words to trigger you into an assassination attempt. Sneaking regarder confirmed. The liberal, tolerant, ‘be kind’ left, everyone.

I’m not even defending him there, I’m correcting a misrepresentation you made. If you had a shred of intellectual honesty you’d accept he didn’t say what you claimed (crickets). Specifically he’s taking issue with something another Christian is saying from in a book of the Old Testament, and he’s pointing out her contradiction. Kirk is a Christian, and anybody even slightly informed about Christianity knows that most Christians regard the New Testament as the rules to live by - not the Old.

Weird that LC and Buckeye cant bring themselves to condemn it, but do find the time to lecture conservatives, the right, MAGA (as if they listen). Almost like a sneaking regard for what happened.

Yawn, when I grew up trolling was supposed to be funny. You’re not really in a position to be handing out lectures on morality or what makes someone a good person, especially since you don’t seem to know what’s right for wrong, and so far as I can tell, not once said Kirk’s murder was wrong.

‘Cultural phrases’ The cultural phrases:

Nah, because that’s what the lefties would do. It’s important to know the crazies on both sides. I’ve pointed out some of the stuff on the right I think is crazy, specifically around Ukraine. Some of you guys can’t even recognise crazy anymore.

My bias is that you don’t kill people you disagree with, kids can’t be trans and should not be transitioned, that violent offenders need dealt with firmly by the government, and that illegal immigrants must leave. You know, pretty much all the liberal positions just 20 years ago which many of you now consider fascist and ‘far-right’. Yes that’s my bias. He didn’t say gay people should be stoned - did you watch your video? He said the civil rights act was a mistake because it was so broad and gave rise to DEI - he didn’t say civil rights was a mistake - why are you not going to provide context? Islam is at odds with Western values, we have been dealing with this in the UK a lot longer than you yanks. Look at Lebanon, look at some of the reports from the UK. Check out some of the views in this dispatches survey if 10,000 Muslims: https://www.channel4.com/press/news/c4-survey-and-documentary-reveals-what-british-muslims-really-think Some jews have encouraged anti-whiteness, Noel Ignatiev famously called for ‘whiteness’ to be abolished… but so have some white people, black people etc. Did you not know this? He doesn’t say in the video transgender people in female bathrooms should be attacked in your video. He says it should have been handled. Muslims think wives should submit to their husbands too, and their submission is far more extreme than what Kirk’s talking about. If any race (including blacks) get a job to fill a race quota at the expense of another person of a different race, then they are in fact getting that job unfairly. I didn’t even know Kirk’s views very well, and in some cases it took me a couple of seconds to disprove some of the crap you just said. And even if he believed all of those things, should be have been killed?

Yep, these supposedly well educated, liberal, morale authorities on everything, mask dropping. Here’s another, a guy who debated Kirk at the Oxford University just a few months ago, and set to be the debating union president, gloating: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/11/oxford-union-president-george-abaraonye-charlie-kirk-murder/ Just evil people.

Another one of these people on the left, well spoken, who undoubtedly refers to themselves as ‘liberals’, calling his death ‘great’:

When did I say I was unbiased? You misunderstand, I’m politically conservative. I’m not posting deranged crap from the right because they generally aren’t advocating violence, gloating or mocking a man who just died.

Thanks, and you’re not a crazy on the left. Notably when the Kirk news broke you were the first to say it was awful. Most others here have said nothing like it.

No, that’s not even remotely what I said. I said the left have a problem, and that the left need see it to fix it. I know there are many deranged people on the right. I’ve said some of the MAGA crowd are practically a cult. Some of guys can’t see your shit to fix it.

Absolutely, and I want to post others, but they are too crude. Those on the left don’t recognise the problem with your side and until you do are unable to address it.

The ‘be kind’ people: Just one of the hundreds like it, many far worse.

I thought we had moved on from the young woman that died, because, ya know, its all about making divisive political points and Kirk is a bigger one. Doh.

You're going to be like - I told you so with my reply - but what does that even mean. More tolerant of what? Hurty words - sure. People who kill because of hurty words - really? Agree, its a new type of grift. But if you don't like it turn it off. I don't watch any of these guys grifting on division, Kirk wasn't remotely the worst, and he certainly didn't deserve a gunshot to the neck and to leave a widow and two fatherless kids. What I find troubling is that you guys are all talking about division caused by words, but we are adults, turn it off and move on. Far more concerning is that there a group of people that think nothing of killing someone because the were hurt with words but few of you guys are talking about that.

He was 100% all of that, but he also had strong beliefs which I know from what you have written you share. Notice the contrast too. He was going to campuses to engage and debate people. It spawned a lot of 'Charlie owns' videos - which I detest - but he also has some videos of explaining why he does it. He goes and talks to people, because he thought free speech was important, and engaging with people one-on-one was important, because when you don't talk you forget that the other side are people and that it can easily lead to violence. And lets be honest, there is plenty of silly stuff to be divided on.

Cruel irony yes. Kirk's stuff never appealed to me, he's catering for a different audience, and I found some of stuff he said silly. But he was obviously a good man. Kirk's reason for defending gun rights is self protection, government over reach etc, definitely not to shoot someone you disagree with. I'll not put words in his mouth, but I expect he wasn't for mentally ill, or violent criminals or gangs having guns.

Maybe read the thread dealraker - hint - two posts above yours.

No he didn't. He didn't 'justify' gun violence. What kind of messed up framing is that? This is part of his actual quote: Source: Fact Check: Charlie Kirk once said some gun deaths 'worth it' in order to have Second Amendment I personally think US gun laws are nuts, but that's completely besides the point. It's perfectly clear he wasn't for shooting people up who disagreed with you. There is a dark place in your heart to come out with something like that.

This morning I have two opposing thoughts. The first is I want to just delete all social media and tune out, focus on my family and bringing them up, it is after all my primary duty in life now - something Kirk had taken from him. The opposing thought is that being aware of all this bs that is happening is important to understand to equip my kids as adults. To your point about rhetoric, I've not seen many on the right calling for or cheering the death. I don't know if anyone saw the TMZ video, they were livestreaming from their offices and people in the room were cheering when Trump tweeted Kirk had died. TMZ denied it had anything to do with Kirk's death but I don't believe them. And there are many others, there was a guy in the crowd at the event cheering when Kirk feel off his chair, there are loads of left wing commentators cheering. It's despicable behaviour from the 'be kind crowd', and it is radicalsing. It wasn't so long ago that the left on America was taking the knee, for defunding the policy and sloganing Black Lives Matter. Twitter has become more right leaning since the takeover, so I know it is not fully representative, but even there I don't see prominent right wingers calling for violence against lefties. The Black Lives Matter just hours before Kirk's murder was posting that there is a time for violence of oppressed people and the time was now. The Nazis, fascists, Hitler, dictator... from which side does that rhetoric mostly come from. I am all for bringing the temperature down, but where is the contrition, where is the fix? There are groups in society (left mostly but right too) who wrongly but genuinely believed they are being oppressed in some way, and this victimhood is what underpins the want for violence.