fareastwarriors Posted October 9, 2024 Posted October 9, 2024 6 hours ago, BG2008 said: Instead buying when there is blood on the street, it's buying when there is a hurricane barreling down Florida hah I had some limit orders floating around mid $8 and lower. The lack of news for the Brickell Assemblage is a bit worrying though. Any insight @BG2008?
buylowersellhigh Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 2 hours ago, Dinar said: Yes. They have the best network in NA and the best management team. Why now? Is it valuation? Merger going thru…
Dinar Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 Just now, buylowersellhigh said: Why now? Is it valuation? Merger going thru… No particular reason. Assuming the company delivers on its targets, it is an 8% free cash flow yield to the equity on say 2029 numbers. That's cheap for a business with this kind of pricing power and that should be able to grow volumes beyond 2029.
Red Lion Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 17 minutes ago, Dinar said: No particular reason. Assuming the company delivers on its targets, it is an 8% free cash flow yield to the equity on say 2029 numbers. That's cheap for a business with this kind of pricing power and that should be able to grow volumes beyond 2029. I've been looking at this name again since you mentioned it a few weeks back, and I had been following for a few years around the time of the merger. This has perennially been one of those companies I want to buy, but can't wrap my head around the valuation. I'm trying to expand my perspective so this is very helpful. So you're willing to value this on 2029 numbers, with the understanding that it's an irreplaceable asset that should be able to maintain superior pricing power for a long period beyond that? Would this company be a net benefit of a trump/Harris administration? I'd like to understand this rationale more and get comfortable with it. I've missed out on a good investment over the years with CP, and really missed the boat on railroads in general. It seems like they really should have been a concentrated buy and hold type position when factoring in past stock performance in my investing lifetime.
Dinar Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 @Red Lion. Yes, I am assuming that a) the revenue synergies and cost synergies promised during the take-over and increased over time are achieved b) company can improve operations in the existing business, before taking into account synergies (KCS had OR north of 80 if I am not mistaken). One example is building a second bridge at Laredo for instance. c) tail-winds from volume growth driven by: 1) return of manufacturing from the East to Mexico; 2) shift of truck volumes to rail (would happen faster under VP Harris) due to difficulty recruiting truck drivers and environmental pressures (rail is 3-4x more fuel efficient than trucks). d) tailwinds on the expense side from technology - more frequent drone inspections for instance e) Pricing power - you are a monopoly or duopoly. So raise price at inflation + 0.5% per annum, and that translates into EBIT growth = inflation + 1% per annum. One caveat to remember, replacement cap ex is probably a billion CAD higher per annum than depreciation so reported net income is overstated or exceeds free cash flow, however you want to call that. I think that regardless of who is in the White House, the business will do well. On the one hand, it should do better under Trump as he guts regulation and gets people to invest again and forces more on-shoring. On the other hand, Harris would probably put strong pressure on trucks for environmental reasons so that could be quite helpful. Don't beat yourself too much over CP, I think it has been a lousy investment over the past five years, unless I am mistaken.
Red Lion Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 @Dinar This is an excellent response. Thank you!
BG2008 Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 13 hours ago, fareastwarriors said: hah I had some limit orders floating around mid $8 and lower. The lack of news for the Brickell Assemblage is a bit worrying though. Any insight @BG2008? The just sold The Hamilton and 20% of the adjacent assemblage, see the AIV thread for updates
ArminvanBuyout Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 Buying some building products to add to my basket
Saluki Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 Picked up some ENPH on the dip to keep my position at 1%. It has run up to almost 120 and back down to double digits several times, so hopefully it will do it again and I can trim on the way up and repeat as necessary.
Red Lion Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 Bought a tracking position in CP while I do further research. Not finding a lot of value in the markets currently, but I've been spoiled over the last 5 years buying alt asset managers at too cheap valuations. I really like the combination of reoccurring annuity like revenues, high ROIC, high growth, and a below market valuation. Not finding all 4 in any of the companies on my radar right now.
MMM20 Posted October 11, 2024 Posted October 11, 2024 (edited) On 10/3/2024 at 12:43 PM, MMM20 said: Nah, I maxed out my position a couple days ago. My average cost is ~$2.02. I was sleeping too well so I bought some more SNDL over the past couple days. My average cost is now <$2 on a ~9% position. Edited October 11, 2024 by MMM20
wisowis Posted October 12, 2024 Posted October 12, 2024 Added to RTO, SCR.to, and HTL.to merger arb this week
DooDiligence Posted October 12, 2024 Posted October 12, 2024 (edited) 8 hours ago, jouni1 said: Bought some EW yesterday LT bull here. What pushed you over the edge? Edited October 12, 2024 by DooDiligence
jouni1 Posted October 12, 2024 Posted October 12, 2024 9 minutes ago, DooDiligence said: LT bull here. What pushed you over the edge? Been looking at it for a while and got some extra cash recently. Great returns on capital, reasonable valuation and probably a lot of growth still to be had.
Spekulatius Posted October 15, 2024 Posted October 15, 2024 On 10/8/2024 at 11:53 AM, mananainvesting said: Buying $HTLD. Anyone following this company? CEO and his trust are buying lots of shares in the open market. Below is my thesis. Not advise. I have looked into HTLD a while ago. I think it was Hearland value fund (or similar) who mentioned it in a podcast or investor letter (don’t remember). I guess is the pitch is that the merger improves their profitability. HTLD does not have a great track record of value creation, so I am a bit sceptical.
mananainvesting Posted October 16, 2024 Posted October 16, 2024 3 hours ago, Spekulatius said: I have looked into HTLD a while ago. I think it was Hearland value fund (or similar) who mentioned it in a podcast or investor letter (don’t remember). I guess is the pitch is that the merger improves their profitability. HTLD does not have a great track record of value creation, so I am a bit sceptical. I don’t think we are talking about the same company. $HTLD - Heartland Express is a trucking company.
Spekulatius Posted October 16, 2024 Posted October 16, 2024 6 minutes ago, mananainvesting said: I don’t think we are talking about the same company. $HTLD - Heartland Express is a trucking company. Yes, I am referring to the trucking company HTLD. I was wrong about the fund owning it - it used to be Palm Valley , but they seem to be out now: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-palm-valley-capital-disposed-141831946.html In any case, I sort of doubt that the acquisition is a game changer and will improve profits margins. For the time being, it seems like a worse company than before the acquisition.
mananainvesting Posted October 16, 2024 Posted October 16, 2024 Just now, Spekulatius said: Yes, I am referring to the trucking company HTLD. I was wrong about the fund owning it - it used to be Palm Valley , but they seem to be out now: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-palm-valley-capital-disposed-141831946.html In any case, I sort of doubt that the acquisition is a game changer and will improve profits margins. For the time being, it seems like a worse company than before the acquisition. I think that is the case with every acquisition of theirs, the legacy heartland brands have one of the lowest ORs in the business, so any acquisition they do hurts in the short term. They usually take 3 years to right the acquired business to low 80s OR like the rest of the business but in this case the management has said it will likely take 4 years (from 2022). The 2 acquisitions (CFI & Smith) doubled the company’s revenue so imo it is material.
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