China

[mattee2264]

Who needs births when you have a never-ending labour pool of illegal immigrants to drawn on?

[Luke]

23 minutes ago, mattee2264 said:

Who needs births when you have a never-ending labour pool of illegal immigrants to drawn on?

Yep, and they are also way cheaper, nobody has to spend money on education, school, they are fine with way lower standards of living and housing space, are fine with lower wages, disrupt union building and conformity in traditional labor jobs...it is no wonder to me why the west is such a fan of migration and it is no wonder that the native population hates it and votes right. 

Edited June 6, 2024 by Luca

[formthirteen]

1 hour ago, Luca said:

US birthrate isnt looking good either. Whats happening there? 

 

Fall Downsizing of civilization:

 

[Luke]

6 minutes ago, formthirteen said:

 

Fall Downsizing of civilization:

 

The US population distribution is a lot more even than in Germany so you wont have that much of a problem when the "boomers" go into pension I guess. China will face the shrinking of work force with older population.

[Luke]

[nsx5200]

On 5/18/2024 at 2:28 PM, Luca said:

Russia has deep cultural ties with China, they share a huge border and there are countries in China with many Russian-speaking people that have close ties to Russia. It is not in China's Interest to join Washington's sanction games and hostility towards Russia so IMO they are doing just what's fine for China. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amur_Annexation

 

They're realists.  If Chinese government weren't in such poor relationship with the rest of the world, China would've already recovered if not negotiated the recovery of the huge land mass around Amur by now.  Why muck with a few tiny islands in the southeast when they can recover more land mass, as well as 'righting past wrongs' from past unequal treaties.

 

This probably summarize the CCP government's attitude the best 

https://www.voanews.com/a/ukrainian-youtuber-finds-her-ai-clone-selling-russian-goods-on-chinese-internet-/7509009.html

 

They're like the two prisoners in the prisoner's dilemma currently in an unstable but optimal state.  It's probably just a matter of time until it transitions to a more stable state (ironically, the more stable state is actual real instability for either countries).

[scorpioncapital]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/05/politics/us-and-allies-warn-china-recruit-pilots/index.html

 

I am surprised China has such a 'good reputation' globally. Their actions are not of high integrity. They are using covert methods and abusing the spirit of corporate system to do some shady stuff and without even a shred of remorse. I guess 'own interest' mercantilism and nationalism taken to a freakish extreme is quite dangerous

[Spekulatius]

23 hours ago, scorpioncapital said:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/05/politics/us-and-allies-warn-china-recruit-pilots/index.html

 

I am surprised China has such a 'good reputation' globally. Their actions are not of high integrity. They are using covert methods and abusing the spirit of corporate system to do some shady stuff and without even a shred of remorse. I guess 'own interest' mercantilism and nationalism taken to a freakish extreme is quite dangerous

I do not think that China has a good reputation globally. They are an important trade partner especially for poorer countries in Africa who can’t be too picky, but I don’t think this means they are well liked.

 

Dictators like them because they are just like the, and don’t judge them and also give them tools (surveillance tech, weapons etc) to help them stay in power.

[hillfronter83]

Jay Chou in Chinese Music world is like Jay-Z in USA. Now imaging a "fake Jay-Z"'s concert ticket sells more than the real guy's!  

https://www.zaobao.com.sg/entertainment/story20240610-3881645

 

[Ulti]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-is-losing-the-chip-war/ar-BB1nJVSw

[formthirteen]

 

 

[CGJB]

I was listening to a podcast with Louis-Vincent Gave yesterday. He said that China now does more trade with Southeast Asia than it does with the US. I would imagine this trend will only grow over time.

[UK]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-06-17/trump-security-adviser-urges-cutting-china-ties-resuming-nuclear-weapons-tests?embedded-ch

[Libs]

A compelling analysis of the role culture plays in China's rivalry with the west. I think we focus on the economics and overlook this factor.

 

In a nutshell, China views the west  as decadent and in decline (so does Russia and Iran, BTW). The CCP is trying to take advantage of this, and at the same time keep the decadent influences out of their society. Some great background on the roots of this, going back to the early 90's.

 

Would love to hear other's thoughts on this. Seems like China is playing their hand well, much to my dismay.

 

https://www.restorationbulletin.com/p/china-and-the-global-culture-war

 

 

[crs223]

3 hours ago, Libs said:

https://www.restorationbulletin.com/p/china-and-the-global-culture-war

 

Wow.  That was depressing.

 

Could be disinformation meant to further divide America.   I'd be curious how a liberal views the article -- does China have it wrong?  Is the US on the right path?

[Libs]

25 minutes ago, crs223 said:

 

Wow.  That was depressing.

 

Could be disinformation meant to further divide America.   I'd be curious how a liberal views the article -- does China have it wrong?  Is the US on the right path?

Depressing indeed. With all due respect, does it matter what western liberals / conservative think? All that matters is what the CCP thinks. 

[crs223]

45 minutes ago, Libs said:

Depressing indeed. With all due respect, does it matter what western liberals / conservative think? All that matters is what the CCP thinks. 

 

I happen to agree with the article, but I wonder if it is a) disinformation designed to further divide us or b) the CCP's actual estimate of US direction.  In addition I wonder if the article is true or false.

 

The article states that CCP believes "white liberalism" [rough translation from Chinese] has sent the USA into decline.  If "white liberals" disagree with the article, then I will suspect it is disinformation and/or false.  Maybe.  I don't know... I guess like you I'm looking for someone to provide a counter-argument to the article and I imagine that "white liberals" will be the ones to do so.

 

 

Edited June 19, 2024 by crs223

[Hektor]

Can’t speak for the above. However, I came across the following in a number of news reports. In the last couple of years, China seem to have removed many of the saber rattlers in the army and the wolf warriors among its diplomats. Is China reining back the hawks in the military and among the diplomats to avoid a conflict? Or, are they replacing the hawks with others in preparation for a conflict?

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-xi-says-army-faces-deep-seated-problems-anti-corruption-drive-2024-06-19/

 

China's Xi says army faces 'deep-seated' problems in anti-corruption drive

 

China's President Xi Jinping said there were "deep-seated problems" in the Chinese military's politics, ideology, work style and discipline, state-run CCTV reported Wednesday, amid an ongoing military anti-corruption purge.

"There must be no hiding place for corrupt elements in the army," Xi was quoted as saying at a military political work conference this week in the northwestern city of Yanan, the founding stronghold of the Chinese Communist Party.

[Hektor]

Also, never let a opportunity to get under the skin go to waste 

 

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/dalai-lamas-legacy-will-live-on-you-will-nancy-pelosis-grim-prediction-for-xi-jinping/articleshow/111114024.cms
 

Dalai Lama’s legacy will live on and Xi will be gone, says Nancy Pelosi

In a strongly-worded statement on the Chinese President, Pelosi — who is part of a bipartisan delegation from the US Congress — said that the former “will be gone and nobody will give him any credit”.

[Xerxes]

The most important unstable beached ship. 
 

https://thepacificreports.com/2024/02/07/why-brp-sierra-madre-is-important-for-the-philippines/

 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-64634814.amp

[Xerxes]

Fun fact: China’ greatest Admiral was actually of Persian descent. 
 

 

https://www.kavehfarrokh.com/news/the-hui-communities-of-china-and-admiral-zhang-he/

 

Edited June 20, 2024 by Xerxes

[Spekulatius]

So the CCP around Xi is now a 5000 year old civilization. Sound similar to the 1000 year Reich. I think it’s all BS but I agree that Xi likely thinks that way . Of course for him things start with securing his power for life.

[sleepydragon]

4 hours ago, Xerxes said:

Fun fact: China’ greatest Admiral was actually of Persian descent. 
 

 

https://www.kavehfarrokh.com/news/the-hui-communities-of-china-and-admiral-zhang-he/

 

isnt he was also castrated by the emperor since a child — ironically that no matter how great a nation China is, it’s always been under the ruling of some very backward system/class.

 

[Xerxes]

1 hour ago, sleepydragon said:

isnt he was also castrated by the emperor since a child — ironically that no matter how great a nation China is, it’s always been under the ruling of some very backward system/class.

 

yeap, he was an eunuch. 
 

I think he was a relic and legacy of the Mongle empire, as conquered people (Turnians, Iranians etc) from the Middle East came to serve as administrators in China under Mongole imperial rule. 
 

Interestingly when I was in the Yunnan province back in 2013, I heard lore of Persian influence in the south. There was a guy I met who spoke funny Persian but didn’t look neither Persian nor Chinese. What !? Heh

 

I need to read more about it. My information is very limited on the matter. 

[Xerxes]

1 hour ago, sleepydragon said:

ironically that no matter how great a nation China is, it’s always been under the ruling of some very backward system/class.

 

I would add that what is really ironic is that modern unified china was founded, not by Chinese, but by Kublai Khan, the founder of Yunnan dynasty and the last of the great Mongole khakans.