ourkid8 Posted April 16 Posted April 16 1 hour ago, cwericb said: Really? Never mind firearms, I know of a convicted felon that has nuclear weapons. - you beat me to the punch, love it!!!!
cwericb Posted April 16 Posted April 16 37 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Most of us who voted for him are getting what we voted for. No one should be the least bit surprised. Really?
73 Reds Posted April 16 Posted April 16 2 minutes ago, cwericb said: Really? Yeah. What do you stand for?
cubsfan Posted April 16 Posted April 16 49 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Most of us who voted for him are getting what we voted for. No one should be the least bit surprised. It is not as if he didn't serve one previous term and campaign very clearly about the disruption that was about to occur when he won. He has fulfilled at least 80% of what I voted for. Perfection is never a reasonable expectation and he has far surpassed any prior elected official with the possibility of my State governor. Here in the US it is no surprise that Red States are attracting new business and residents and Blue States are raising taxes. Maybe they'll learn something but given the present cast of characters I doubt it will be anytime soon. So far, the results have been quite amazing. All the predictions of catastrophe have been quite funny to hear and watch. The haters have nothing else to run on... Oh, well, there is always Epstein!!!!!
Gregmal Posted April 16 Posted April 16 11 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: What do you stand for? This is the question they can never answer. Its always some deranged obsessive thing about "Trump"....
73 Reds Posted April 16 Posted April 16 2 minutes ago, cubsfan said: So far, the results have been quite amazing. All the predictions of catastrophe have been quite funny to hear and watch. The haters have nothing else to run on... Oh, well, there is always Epstein!!!!! The haters don't seem to have an original idea among them. That's one reason why they are in the position they are in.
dwy000 Posted April 16 Posted April 16 15 minutes ago, Gregmal said: This is the question they can never answer. Its always some deranged obsessive thing about "Trump".... Well that's largely because as Buffett says "when youre in a hole the first thing you do is stop digging". It doesnt matter how pretty the other roads are when youre just trying to stop the car from driving into a wall. I'd note that for the recent election in Hungary, the platform for Magyar was entirely one of "we need to get this wannabe dictator out of power now, before our democracy gets destroyed". And he dominated. Sort of the same reaction going on here. Talking about education reform seems ridiculous when Trump is determined to undermine the constitution at every turn.
John Hjorth Posted April 16 Posted April 16 (edited) 17 minutes ago, dwy000 said: Well that's largely because as Buffett says "when youre in a hole the first thing you do is stop digging". It doesnt matter how pretty the other roads are when youre just trying to stop the car from driving into a wall. I'd note that for the recent election in Hungary, the platform for Magyar was entirely one of "we need to get this wannabe dictator out of power now, before our democracy gets destroyed". And he dominated. Sort of the same reaction going on here. Talking about education reform seems ridiculous when Trump is determined to undermine the constitution at every turn. He was a Putin a** licking, really unpleasant moron, running Hungary into the ditch. Also, a material Ukraine war activities financing issue in EU will likely now find its solution, finally. Edited April 16 by John Hjorth
dwy000 Posted April 16 Posted April 16 1 hour ago, 73 Reds said: Most of us who voted for him are getting what we voted for. No one should be the least bit surprised. It is not as if he didn't serve one previous term and campaign very clearly about the disruption that was about to occur when he won. He has fulfilled at least 80% of what I voted for. Perfection is never a reasonable expectation and he has far surpassed any prior elected official with the possibility of my State governor. Here in the US it is no surprise that Red States are attracting new business and residents and Blue States are raising taxes. Maybe they'll learn something but given the present cast of characters I doubt it will be anytime soon. This is how you know it's a cult. What Trump promised: - lower grocery prices - lower gas prices - fiscal responsibility and lower spending - no new wars - release the epstein files - end the war in Ukraine immediately And he's done the exact opposite of all of these. Yet the response is "that's what I voted for". Thats a cult.
cwericb Posted April 16 Posted April 16 45 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Yeah. What do you stand for? Well just for starters, an honest and stable government that values its friends and allies over its adversaries. One where those running the country are concentrating on the good of the country over lining their own pockets.
73 Reds Posted April 16 Posted April 16 Just now, cwericb said: Well just for starters, an honest and stable government that values its friends and allies over its adversaries. One where those running the country are concentrating on the good of the country over lining their own pockets. Honesty and stability now are far better than the prior administration which operated in secrets and deceit that are finally being uncovered. Friends and allies support each other and are not a drag on one another. They share burdens; the burdens do not largely fall on only one of us.
Parsad Posted April 16 Posted April 16 56 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Yeah. What do you stand for? If I was American? The Constitution...Liberty...due process...Bill of Rights...innocent until proven guilty...international law...decorum...the Golden Rule...build people up, don't tear them down...prosecute rapists and pedophiles...convicted felons should not be President...it's a pretty long list that goes on and on! Now what exactly do some of you stand for? Cheers!
Castanza Posted April 16 Posted April 16 1 hour ago, ourkid8 said: - you beat me to the punch, love it!!!! Convicted felon is still different than convicted murderers
LC Posted April 16 Posted April 16 2 hours ago, Parsad said: I swear...this is a damn simulation and we are soon going to see the "Game Over" sign! No way all of this is real! Cheers! Agreed...The writers of whatever plotline we're on need to start reigning it back in!
Gregmal Posted April 16 Posted April 16 43 minutes ago, dwy000 said: What Trump promised: - lower grocery prices - lower gas prices - fiscal responsibility and lower spending - no new wars - release the epstein files - end the war in Ukraine immediately Forget your obsession with Trump for a minute….whats hilarious is that people complain about this stuff, thinking their vote for Kamala would’ve….accomplished that?
dwy000 Posted April 16 Posted April 16 9 minutes ago, Gregmal said: Forget your obsession with Trump for a minute….whats hilarious is that people complain about this stuff, thinking their vote for Kamala would’ve….accomplished that? I dont think Kamala promised any of those things. The whole reason Trump got elected was because he DID promise them. And them delivered the exact opposite while his supporters clap and go "wonderful Dear Leader".
John Hjorth Posted April 16 Posted April 16 56 minutes ago, Parsad said: If I was American? The Constitution...Liberty...due process...Bill of Rights...innocent until proven guilty...international law...decorum...the Golden Rule...build people up, don't tear them down...prosecute rapists and pedophiles...convicted felons should not be President...it's a pretty long list that goes on and on! To that list of Sanjeevs [ @Parsads] I would add honesty [likely included in decorum above], gather the nation, respect for capital.
Gregmal Posted April 16 Posted April 16 11 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: To that list of Sanjeevs [ @Parsads] I would add honesty [likely included in decorum above], gather the nation, respect for capital. Well, yes...everybody list their perfect world scenarios while we're at it! Now, how about we list what reality gives us? Then we marvel at how the primary systems work. And how all the wokies were besties with someone like Swallwell lmfao! Pretty sure fruitcake Jimmy Kimmell has a few selfies with the serial rapist.
RichardGibbons Posted April 17 Posted April 17 2 hours ago, Parsad said: The Constitution...Liberty...due process...Bill of Rights...innocent until proven guilty...international law...decorum...the Golden Rule...build people up, don't tear them down...prosecute rapists and pedophiles...convicted felons should not be President...it's a pretty long list that goes on and on! Yep, this is the list. The main issue MAGA seems to miss is that even if you get what you want in the short term, you'll lose long term if in doing so you lose the bedrock principles.
ourkid8 Posted April 17 Posted April 17 (edited) Iran has supposedly agreed not to have nuclear weapons and to give up the enriched material — this was all agreed prior to the war for nothing just to maintain peace. Let’s see what Iran gets in return and we can determine how much US / Israel loses. My bet all sanctions are removed, they own the SoH and 50/50% chance US exits all their bases in the GCC region. (As I constantly repeat, Israel better learn to play nice with their neighbours going forward) Trump and all his clowns will think this is due to their “blockade”. lol - even though Chinese ships continue to pass. https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/2044844182326407497/video/1?s=46 Edited April 17 by ourkid8
Spekulatius Posted April 17 Posted April 17 (edited) On 4/15/2026 at 12:01 AM, Parsad said: I suspect if we haven't blown ourselves up in 20 years, AI will disarm society by hacking all of the defense systems and making nukes unusable. At least I can hope! Either that, or AI will use them or biological weapons on us! If you were AI, wouldn't you think the most logical solution to all of this is to just get rid of humanity? We are an amazing species, but we are too stupid, egotistical and greedy for our own good...or the planet's long-term health! Cheers! I do think we will essentially create intelligence that will replace us. If you think about it, it’s inevitable. The human brain is fairly limited and at some point, we are going to create something better or something we create will evolve into something better. The future of mankind isn’t man. Edited April 17 by Spekulatius
Spekulatius Posted April 17 Posted April 17 On 4/15/2026 at 9:03 AM, John Hjorth said: @Spekulatius and @Hektor, I personally woulden't, and I don't rule out anything like that. The Middle East a friggin' witches' cauldron by now. So much crazy stuff has been going on there as of lately, and it isen't all caused by POTUS. Up here, in the Coalition of Willings there are internal discussions about placing ICBMs in Scandinavia, including in cosy Denmark. If done so, they'll be placed, bound for targets in Russia, in the developed part of Russia. Put yourself in MBS shoes and tell me why you wouldn’t pursue nukes. Israel has nukes. Iran wants nukes. All the powers that seek influence in the Gulf region have nukes. Why have they recently made alliance with Pakistan? Pakistan is poor but they have nukes. Pakistan recently sent soldiers to Saudi Arabia so the alliance doesn’t look like a paper tiger. The Saudis have the money and Pakistan has the tech.
Spekulatius Posted April 17 Posted April 17 3 hours ago, 73 Reds said: Honesty and stability now are far better than the prior administration which operated in secrets and deceit that are finally being uncovered. Friends and allies support each other and are not a drag on one another. They share burdens; the burdens do not largely fall on only one of us. You got to be joking about honesty and stability.
cwericb Posted April 17 Posted April 17 2 hours ago, 73 Reds said: Honesty and stability now are far better than the prior administration which operated in secrets and deceit that are finally being uncovered. Friends and allies support each other and are not a drag on one another. They share burdens; the burdens do not largely fall on only one of us. Good Lord. "Honesty and stability"? How do you tell when the president is lying? Whenever he opens his mouth. In the past, if a president was caught in a lie, it was a major event. Now the president lies daily/hourly. "Stability"? He has just started a war with no end plan, invaded another country, threatened to invade allies, slapped tariffs against the rest of the world, has masked thugs roaming the cities streets, and No Kings demonstrations involving millions throughout the country, he fights and insults the Supreme Court, Powell, and even the Pope. This is stability? You say "Friends and allies support each other and are not a drag on one another" You have to be kidding!! Trump and his administration has attacked, threatened, taxed, and insulted nearly every single ally it has. Then US declares a war with apparently no plan, no consultation with its allies and when it gets in over its head it throws a tantrum like a spoiled child when those same countries reminds the US that they wanted nothing to do with his war. And then to bring up the old "WMD" crap, we can't help remember the WMD's that Iraq didn't have, The WMD's that the President assured us were already "obliterated", etc.
Parsad Posted April 17 Posted April 17 5 hours ago, dwy000 said: I dont think Kamala promised any of those things. The whole reason Trump got elected was because he DID promise them. And them delivered the exact opposite while his supporters clap and go "wonderful Dear Leader". Trump got elected because Biden was entering senility and Kamala was not Obama! Almost anyone else probably would have given the Democrats a fighting chance, but nope...they let Biden go far to long, so that there was no time to do a real search/vote for Democratic leader/presidential candidate. What did Kamala do during her tenure as Vice-President? She did less than JD Vance has so far in one year! Cheers!
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