Gregmal Posted April 16 Posted April 16 36 minutes ago, Castanza said: The same reason a convicted felon is no longer allowed to own a firearm ... common sense... Yea but these are the people whom believe in things like cashless bail and stuff, so......
Castanza Posted April 16 Posted April 16 3 minutes ago, LC said: OK but Israel is "allowed" to have nukes, but not Iran. Using your example, both are "convicted felons" in my estimation. Or would you disagree? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes Yes I would disagree. There isn't a nation on earth that has not committed a "war crime." During the Vietnam war the US had to stand up brothels overseas to keep the GI Joes from raping the local population (which they did). Ukrainian drone operators have been engaging is cruel, inhumane, and demeaning actions on Russian soldier before executing them. Does this mean Ukraine should not be allowed nukes in the future? Should the US also give up nukes? The standard of what constitutes a War Crime is untenable and unrealistic. It ignores the very nature of conflict and is a fools attempt to regulate the laws of the Jungle to a spreadsheet. "War is Hell (for everyone)" The litmus test is simpler: Israel did not acquire its nuclear arsenal in order to project "Death to all Muslims" outside of it's borders. The same cannot be said about Iran...
Libs Posted April 16 Posted April 16 Not to deny the obvious point regarding nuclear weapons a a deterrent or offensive threat- but it's not like Ukraine could have even threatened to use them against Russia circa 2022 - Russia always had operational control of the nukes in Ukraine. I'm surprised at how often this point is missed. https://www.icanw.org/did_ukraine_give_up_nuclear_weapons
LC Posted April 16 Posted April 16 10 minutes ago, Castanza said: Yes I would disagree Fair enough. We'll have to agree to disagree because IMO Israel is just as bad as Iran and the same constraints should apply to both.
Castanza Posted April 16 Posted April 16 (edited) 21 minutes ago, LC said: Israel is just as bad as Iran And Bill Ackman is Warren Buffett Edited April 16 by Castanza
LC Posted April 16 Posted April 16 And Israel is Warren Buffett? It's a very western view (read: separated by an ocean and not just physically) that Israel = good and Iran = bad... I will leave it there.
Castanza Posted April 16 Posted April 16 12 minutes ago, LC said: And Israel is Warren Buffett? It's a very western view (read: separated by an ocean and not just physically) that Israel = good and Iran = bad... I will leave it there. It does not take a Western centric view to come to a conclusion that Israel and Iran are not the same. I do not hold view that Israel is historically innocent. But one nation has a top down view of "Exterminate the Jews" while the other nation has a view of "This is and has always been our land and we would like to keep it that way." These are not equivalent frameworks and have very different implications in the real world. Apple to Oranges (better?)
Castanza Posted April 16 Posted April 16 17 hours ago, Parsad said: Israel has had nuclear capability for 60 years! I'm not interested in watching another North Korea sprout up in the Middle East. Iran's history in the last 50 years doesn't indicate it deserves equal treatment to Israel or even Pakistan! You aren't applying my logic to the scenario above...you are applying the logic of someone who has a complete blindspot when it comes to the behavior of Iran as a sponsor of terrorism for nearly 50 years. There is no point in this discussion where you will ever convince me that the current Iranian regime deserves any benefit of the doubt...ANY BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT...that they should have highly enriched nuclear material, let alone nukes! Nothing you could EVER say would convince me of that unless this government is changed! Cheers! @LC this
LC Posted April 16 Posted April 16 50 years ago you could've said Iran was a stable and responsible country. 47 years ago you couldn't. Apparently Israel is immune to this phenomenon?
Buckeye Posted April 16 Posted April 16 (edited) Let me see if I understand this correctly… Trump vs MAGA Republican’s take: Married 3 times, divorced twice, pays off a porn star while married to current wife - he’s a God loving, family-man “You just grab em by the pussy” - we’re cool with that “Fine people on both sides” at the Charlottesville white supremacy march - we’re ok with that too On John McCain - "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured." - we see no problem with that take Disparages Purple Heart family, adding (after being given a Purple Heart from a supporter) "I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier". - no big deal here Trump mocks a disabled reporter- we’re good with mocking disabled people (after all, it is the 11th commandment ) Calls a black athlete, who takes a knee in protest, a son of a bitch - we’re totally fine with that kind of language Describes Haiti, El Salvador and some African countries as shithole countries - no issue with that comment (remember the Bible talks frequently about avoiding the shithole counties) Trump posts a cartoon depicting himself as Jebus (a mythical man who lives in the sky) - OMG, now he’s gone too far, we are totally outraged and will stand up for what we believe in!! So apparently their moral compass points somewhere between pussy grabbing and cartoon Jesus. What a bunch of fine “Christians” we have in this country. Edited April 16 by Buckeye
Castanza Posted April 16 Posted April 16 10 minutes ago, Buckeye said: Let me see if I understand this correctly… Trump vs MAGA Republican’s take: Married 3 times, divorced twice, pays off a porn star while married to current wife - he’s a God loving, family-man “You just grab em by the pussy” - we’re cool with that “Fine people on both sides” at the Charlottesville white supremacy march - we’re ok with that too On John McCain - "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured." - we see no problem with that take Disparages Purple Heart family, adding (after being given a Purple Heart from a supporter) "I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier". - no big deal here Trump mocks a disabled reporter- we’re good with mocking disabled people (after all, it is the 11th commandment ) Calls a black athlete, who takes a knee in protest, a son of a bitch - we’re totally fine with that kind of language Describes Haiti, El Salvador and some African countries as shithole countries - no issue with that comment (remember the Bible talks frequently about avoiding the shithole counties) Trump posts a cartoon depicting himself as Jebus (a mythical man who lives in the sky) - OMG, now he’s gone too far, we are totally outraged and will stand up for what we believe in!! So apparently their moral compass points somewhere between pussy grabbing and cartoon Jesus. What a bunch of fine “Christians” we have in this country. Perhaps it would be more productive to recognize that MAGA has co-opted the Christian religion (as many have in the past) to further a political agenda. The co-opt is called American Christian Nationalism and is a well documented phenomenon. Similar to not lumping the Iranian people in with the Iranian regime I think it is a sensible approach. It would also be more productive to maybe ask the question..."Dear Christians of COBF, how do you feel about Trumps use of Christianity for his personal agenda?"
John Hjorth Posted April 16 Posted April 16 1 hour ago, Buckeye said: Let me see if I understand this correctly… Trump vs MAGA Republican’s take: Married 3 times, divorced twice, pays off a porn star while married to current wife - he’s a God loving, family-man “You just grab em by the pussy” - we’re cool with that “Fine people on both sides” at the Charlottesville white supremacy march - we’re ok with that too On John McCain - "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured." - we see no problem with that take Disparages Purple Heart family, adding (after being given a Purple Heart from a supporter) "I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier". - no big deal here Trump mocks a disabled reporter- we’re good with mocking disabled people (after all, it is the 11th commandment ) Calls a black athlete, who takes a knee in protest, a son of a bitch - we’re totally fine with that kind of language Describes Haiti, El Salvador and some African countries as shithole countries - no issue with that comment (remember the Bible talks frequently about avoiding the shithole counties) Trump posts a cartoon depicting himself as Jebus (a mythical man who lives in the sky) - OMG, now he’s gone too far, we are totally outraged and will stand up for what we believe in!! So apparently their moral compass points somewhere between pussy grabbing and cartoon Jesus. What a bunch of fine “Christians” we have in this country. - Made my day muuucchh less sh*tty! , @Buckeye! Thank you!
John Hjorth Posted April 16 Posted April 16 TV2.dk - Trump in the White House [April 11th 2026 ] : The Epstein rumors won't let go of Melania Trump - here's what we know [translated with Google Translate from Danish to English] Ugh, there evaporeted my - light, though! - FLOTUS Crush!
ourkid8 Posted April 16 Posted April 16 (edited) 6 hours ago, 73 Reds said: As I've explained many times, the vast majority of Iranians are victims of oppressive, heartless, ideologically bankrtupt "animals" which still rule the country and have to go. I don't think too many folks would argue with that. Some of us personally know Iranians who were forced to flee the Regime. They would whole-heartedly agree and use far worse language to describe the present regime than "animals". I was about to lower myself to your level and write a similar message about Israel but I am holding back. btw, Iran doesn’t beg other countries for welfare unlike … Edited April 16 by ourkid8
cwericb Posted April 16 Posted April 16 5 hours ago, Castanza said: The same reason a convicted felon is no longer allowed to own a firearm ... common sense... Really? Never mind firearms, I know of a convicted felon that has nuclear weapons.
Castanza Posted April 16 Posted April 16 4 minutes ago, cwericb said: Really? Never mind firearms, I know of a convicted felon that has nuclear weapons. Ha! I was waiting for this response (believe me I don't like Trump having access to that button either). As bad as Trump is, he's not driven by an ideology other than "me me me." Not sure pushing that button brings anything positive for him.
Parsad Posted April 16 Posted April 16 3 hours ago, Castanza said: It does not take a Western centric view to come to a conclusion that Israel and Iran are not the same. I do not hold view that Israel is historically innocent. But one nation has a top down view of "Exterminate the Jews" while the other nation has a view of "This is and has always been our land and we would like to keep it that way." These are not equivalent frameworks and have very different implications in the real world. Apple to Oranges (better?) +1! Cheers!
Parsad Posted April 16 Posted April 16 2 hours ago, LC said: 50 years ago you could've said Iran was a stable and responsible country. 47 years ago you couldn't. Apparently Israel is immune to this phenomenon? Fair democratic elections decided that fate. You run illegal elections under a theocracy, what do you expect to happen? Even the U.S. is playing a dangerous game right now with their accusations of election fraud, and now the adoption and insinuation of a religious war/holy leader moving forward with an agenda backed by God! Fucking nutjobs! Then fight with the Pope and other religious groups that say you are being blasphemous and not actually preaching the gospel. I swear...this is a damn simulation and we are soon going to see the "Game Over" sign! No way all of this is real! Cheers!
cwericb Posted April 16 Posted April 16 3 minutes ago, Castanza said: Ha! I was waiting for this response (believe me I don't like Trump having access to that button either). As bad as Trump is, he's not driven by an ideology other than "me me me." Not sure pushing that button brings anything positive for him. You know, perhaps it is good that he is so narcissistic.
Parsad Posted April 16 Posted April 16 2 hours ago, Buckeye said: Let me see if I understand this correctly… Trump vs MAGA Republican’s take: Married 3 times, divorced twice, pays off a porn star while married to current wife - he’s a God loving, family-man “You just grab em by the pussy” - we’re cool with that “Fine people on both sides” at the Charlottesville white supremacy march - we’re ok with that too On John McCain - "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured." - we see no problem with that take Disparages Purple Heart family, adding (after being given a Purple Heart from a supporter) "I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier". - no big deal here Trump mocks a disabled reporter- we’re good with mocking disabled people (after all, it is the 11th commandment ) Calls a black athlete, who takes a knee in protest, a son of a bitch - we’re totally fine with that kind of language Describes Haiti, El Salvador and some African countries as shithole countries - no issue with that comment (remember the Bible talks frequently about avoiding the shithole counties) Trump posts a cartoon depicting himself as Jebus (a mythical man who lives in the sky) - OMG, now he’s gone too far, we are totally outraged and will stand up for what we believe in!! So apparently their moral compass points somewhere between pussy grabbing and cartoon Jesus. What a bunch of fine “Christians” we have in this country. Yup! But you missed a whole shitload of stuff between there. No one in their right mind could have imagined all of the crazy ass stuff that came out of that mouth and his administration. Just not possible! Not even in our wildest dreams could anyone imagine the lengths he would go. But you dumb fucks in the U.S. voted him in! Not just a handful of you...half of you...you retards! Then again, the choice they had was dementia Joe or Kamala. The Dems kind of screwed themselves over. It's almost certain that if Democrats put forward any sort of decent centrist candidate with no baggage, they will win handily in the next election. Will they put out a winner or just another loser?! Cheers!
Parsad Posted April 16 Posted April 16 24 minutes ago, cwericb said: Really? Never mind firearms, I know of a convicted felon that has nuclear weapons. LOL! Touche...fair enough. Cheers!
Castanza Posted April 16 Posted April 16 2 minutes ago, Parsad said: Yup! But you missed a whole shitload of stuff between there. No one in their right mind could have imagined all of the crazy ass stuff that came out of that mouth and his administration. Just not possible! Not even in our wildest dreams could anyone imagine the lengths he would go. But you dumb fucks in the U.S. voted him in! Not just a handful of you...half of you...you retards! Then again, the choice they had was dementia Joe or Kamala. The Dems kind of screwed themselves over. It's almost certain that if Democrats put forward any sort of decent centrist candidate with no baggage, they will win handily in the next election. Will they put out a winner or just another loser?! Cheers! What sensible person would want to helm this shitshow?
73 Reds Posted April 16 Posted April 16 8 minutes ago, Parsad said: Yup! But you missed a whole shitload of stuff between there. No one in their right mind could have imagined all of the crazy ass stuff that came out of that mouth and his administration. Just not possible! Not even in our wildest dreams could anyone imagine the lengths he would go. But you dumb fucks in the U.S. voted him in! Not just a handful of you...half of you...you retards! Then again, the choice they had was dementia Joe or Kamala. The Dems kind of screwed themselves over. It's almost certain that if Democrats put forward any sort of decent centrist candidate with no baggage, they will win handily in the next election. Will they put out a winner or just another loser?! Cheers! Yet no one could envision where we would be (and be heading) had Trump not won. There are two sides to every position. Pick your poison. The one we have is far preferable to the alternative in many ways. More Americans feel that way than not.
Parsad Posted April 16 Posted April 16 4 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Yet no one could envision where we would be (and be heading) had Trump not won. There are two sides to every position. Pick your poison. The one we have is far preferable to the alternative in many ways. More Americans feel that way than not. Will depend on the total outcome. I think there are issues he's addressed in very irregular, dare I say illegal, ways where the end result may be beneficial for many. At the same time, the chaos he's created in other areas has done such damage, both economic and reputational, that may be a far bigger long-term mess than what the supporters are seeing today. Only time will tell! So drink hardy and eat well my friends...for tomorrow will come...we just don't know if it will be a shitshow or something to celebrate! Cheers!
73 Reds Posted April 16 Posted April 16 Just now, Parsad said: Will depend on the total outcome. I think there are issues he's addressed in very irregular, dare I say illegal, ways where the end result may be beneficial for many. At the same time, the chaos he's created in other areas has done such damage, both economic and reputational, that may be a far bigger long-term mess than what the supporters are seeing today. Only time will tell! So drink hardy and eat well my friends...for tomorrow will come...we just don't know if it will be a shitshow or something to celebrate! Cheers! Most of us who voted for him are getting what we voted for. No one should be the least bit surprised. It is not as if he didn't serve one previous term and campaign very clearly about the disruption that was about to occur when he won. He has fulfilled at least 80% of what I voted for. Perfection is never a reasonable expectation and he has far surpassed any prior elected official with the possibility of my State governor. Here in the US it is no surprise that Red States are attracting new business and residents and Blue States are raising taxes. Maybe they'll learn something but given the present cast of characters I doubt it will be anytime soon.
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