Gregmal Posted March 1 Posted March 1 1 minute ago, Mephistopheles said: Trump’s foreign policy is solid and it’s nice to see dictators fall with such precision without broader long wars (remains to be seen). And nice to see someone walking the walk with red lines. The liberals should totally admit it. Not that he’s not a fascist Exactly. Down goes another one. Meanwhile the usual suspects, yup, the ones whom supported Maduros civil rights and said we d just started another long war in Venezuela….unfazed by the gazillionth wrong prediction, suspect we re headed for another long war with Iran(even though half their gov just got wiped out). That means it’ll be done in a month.
dwy000 Posted March 1 Posted March 1 5 minutes ago, Gregmal said: Exactly. Down goes another one. Meanwhile the usual suspects, yup, the ones whom supported Maduros civil rights and said we d just started another long war in Venezuela….unfazed by the gazillionth wrong prediction, suspect we re headed for another long war with Iran(even though half their gov just got wiped out). That means it’ll be done in a month. Again, who? Who said we had just started a long war with Venezuela? Who is saying we are headed for a long war with Iran. Why the need to make up a counter argument that nobody seems to be making? Either your point is accurate or it isnt.
Spekulatius Posted March 1 Posted March 1 25 minutes ago, Mephistopheles said: Trump’s foreign policy is solid and it’s nice to see dictators fall with such precision without broader long wars (remains to be seen). And nice to see someone walking the walk with red lines. The liberals should totally admit it. Not that he’s not a fascist Has any regime fallen though. Killing the leader does not kill the regime. The Venezuela regime is still there. So far, the Iran regime is still there as well. The new Khomenei is already groomed, if you know how Iran works (they do have a succession system j and in any case, it’s not the spiritual leader running the country. The protest that many predicted would cause the regime to fall, were suppressed so far. Regime change requires either total control via occupation or change from within, which is hard to predict.
Mephistopheles Posted March 1 Posted March 1 Just now, Spekulatius said: Has any regime fallen though. Killing the leader does not kill the regime. The Venezuela regime is still there. So far, the Iran regime is still there as well. The new Khomenei is already groomed, if you know how Iran works (they do have a succession system j and in any case, it’s not the spiritual leader running the country. The protest that many predicted would cause the regime to fall, were suppressed so far. Regime change requires either total control via occupation or change from within, which is hard to predict. Agreed. Remains to be seen. But maybe they can put in the Shah like we did in 1953. And, really if they’re killing tens of thousands of their people, it’s a justifiable attack. The Venezuela thing also remains to be seen but all in all it’s nice that he’s shown some restraint overall
dealraker Posted March 1 Posted March 1 (edited) 3 hours ago, Spekulatius said: I assure you, with your wiry frame you look better than 80% of the peers in your age, all your health issues no withstanding.I hope we can find another opportunity to meet up. LOL we met a few months after the operation where they cut out a section of my intestines then pulled them around and sewed them back together . I'd gone from 180 to 150. Had to buy new clothes...which was actually a lot of fun. Diverticulitis for years was the cause. Edited March 1 by dealraker
Parsad Posted March 1 Posted March 1 5 hours ago, cubsfan said: Trump just established himself as the most powerful President the USA has ever had. I'm thinking dropping the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki still give Truman the lead! Cheers!
Parsad Posted March 1 Posted March 1 5 hours ago, dwy000 said: FIFA is feeling pretty silly right now ROFLMAO! That Nobel Peace Prize must be around the corner as well! Cheers!
Parsad Posted March 1 Posted March 1 5 hours ago, cubsfan said: Obama hides his head in shame today after propping up and funding this regime. The men took over today. He still got Osama! And no one else got hurt or died! Here comes the Champ! Here comes the Champ! Cheers!
Parsad Posted March 1 Posted March 1 3 hours ago, Gregmal said: If you’ve played high level sports before, you know sometimes, regardless of your playbook or strategy, that if the stars align, you take a shot downfield. The liberals are largely betas though, so we can’t expect them to understand. But risk/reward here it was probably a worthwhile shot to take. It’s also always awesome seeing how crazy he makes them. In the past they’ve become pro crime, colluded with Epstein, denied male and female exist, sided with China, cried for Maduro…now let them defend Iran as we laugh. Good start to the weekend. Greg, you have to stop making these fucking generalizations! I'm a liberal, but I know what this means. Probably the most likely chance at peace in the Middle East since the founding of the state of Israel. Smart liberals aren't criticizing this moment. They're just dismayed at the way it was achieved. The balls were inflated...the cameras were spying on the other team...they bypassed the NFL league rules...but we know...I know...this may be a massive win! Of course they will fuck up the handover/regime change and it will start all over again 20-30 years down the road. But yeah, this could be something really great for the Middle East and the World in general! Cheers!
Parsad Posted March 1 Posted March 1 2 hours ago, Viking said: It’s looking more and more like Canada has a rational, pragmatic Prime Minister! (Exactly what the times are calling for.) Yup, this is the right position! I'm loving our Prime Minister...balls enough to stand up to any fucker and do the right thing...while understanding what role Canada serves on the global stage and respect for our country! Cheers!
Gregmal Posted March 1 Posted March 1 19 minutes ago, Parsad said: Greg, you have to stop making these fucking generalizations! I'm a liberal, but I know what this means. Probably the most likely chance at peace in the Middle East since the founding of the state of Israel. Smart liberals aren't criticizing this moment. They're just dismayed at the way it was achieved. The balls were inflated...the cameras were spying on the other team...they bypassed the NFL league rules...but we know...I know...this may be a massive win! Of course they will fuck up the handover/regime change and it will start all over again 20-30 years down the road. But yeah, this could be something really great for the Middle East and the World in general! Cheers! It’s a classic debate tactic. On a subject where you’re clearly losing(and your chief position is indefensible), you go a technical route. IE, I’m not defending Maduro…but (insert excuse to defend taking his side)…I’m not excusing colluding with Epstein…well I don’t even know what their excuse there was…but you get the point. Some of these fuckers are deranged. Whats more, is the predictability of it all. Like dealing with a 4 year old. Lemme guess, you have a problem with Trump? lol
Gregmal Posted March 1 Posted March 1 Like seriously, something like the Maduro ambush needed to be held up so Chuck Schumer could vote? So some asshole politician who runs on the “I hate America” platform could get their campaign snippet for Twitter on the floor? Fuck these people. Whether it was Bin Laden or the two recent dudes, how do you not support this. And amongst all of it, and the constant Hegseth and Trump bashing, how is it not pretty remarkable the efficiency with which they’ve executed these? Sometimes the losers just need to step aside.
Xerxes Posted March 1 Posted March 1 My grandfather passed away in Canada in 2014. Old age. He never got to see this day, despite being glued to TV and news 24/7. But my dad got to see it. Incidentally he is the same age as Khamenei. Dad has been on YouTube like non stop for more than half a decade, contributing in his own way by watching, and being convince that “only Trump can do it”, telling us that the day is coming fast like every week for years now. A historic day for sure
dwy000 Posted March 1 Posted March 1 49 minutes ago, Gregmal said: It’s a classic debate tactic. On a subject where you’re clearly losing(and your chief position is indefensible), you go a technical route. IE, I’m not defending Maduro…but (insert excuse to defend taking his side)…I’m not excusing colluding with Epstein…well I don’t even know what their excuse there was…but you get the point. Some of these fuckers are deranged. Whats more, is the predictability of it all. Like dealing with a 4 year old. Lemme guess, you have a problem with Trump? lol You missed it. The classic debate tactic is when the facts dont support your argument generalize and deflect away. Literally nobody is supporting Maduro or Iran yet thats the way you try to frame it when the issue is with the right thing done the wrong way. Trump actually phrased it best "Now that Obama's poll numbers are in tailspin - watch for him to launch a strike in Libya or Iran. He is desperate."
dwy000 Posted March 1 Posted March 1 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Gregmal said: Whether it was Bin Laden or the two recent dudes, how do you not support this. And amongst all of it, and the constant Hegseth and Trump bashing, how is it not pretty remarkable the efficiency with which they’ve executed these? Sometimes the losers just need to step aside. Bin Laden was legally authorized. Do we really want to leave it entirely up to a guy who is desperate to deflect from Epstein and trailing badly in the polls to unilaterally decide who he wants to take out and where? With no checks and balances? GOP controls both chambers of Congress. Its not the action people would.have an issue with, its the fact that there is absolutely zero plan to deal with the fallout. Edited March 1 by dwy000
Gregmal Posted March 1 Posted March 1 29 minutes ago, dwy000 said: Bin Laden was legally authorized. Do we really want to leave it entirely up to a guy who is desperate to deflect from Epstein and trailing badly in the polls to unilaterally decide who he wants to take out and where? With no checks and balances? GOP controls both chambers of Congress. Its not the action people would.have an issue with, its the fact that there is absolutely zero plan to deal with the fallout. We know you stand with Kamala. It’s ok.
UK Posted March 1 Posted March 1 (edited) https://archive.is/OVXSo Some Iranians said on social media that they were privately mourning the supreme leader. But displays of exuberance broke out in cities across the country. Edited March 1 by UK
Xerxes Posted March 1 Posted March 1 5 hours ago, UK said: https://archive.is/OVXSo Some Iranians said on social media that they were privately mourning the supreme leader. But displays of exuberance broke out in cities across the country. Now I understand why Trump calls New York Times “failing”. Population of the country is 92 million people not 15 million. Landlines and cellphone service were down across Iran, making it difficult to gauge public sentiment in the nation of about 15 million people as U.S. and Israeli forces struck targets for a second day.
Mephistopheles Posted March 1 Posted March 1 All of these can be true at once: 1) Khamennei’s was a brutal terrorist regime 2) Killing him is good for the world 3) The legal justification is questionable, as has been so with many military operations since Congress handed their power to the President post 9/11. But who cares given 1) and 2) above ? 4) Trump is an authoritarian
Spekulatius Posted March 1 Posted March 1 10 hours ago, Mephistopheles said: Agreed. Remains to be seen. But maybe they can put in the Shah like we did in 1953. And, really if they’re killing tens of thousands of their people, it’s a justifiable attack. The Venezuela thing also remains to be seen but all in all it’s nice that he’s shown some restraint overall The Shah grandson would be a poor choice. The Shah deserves a lot of blame for the Islamic revolution succeeding in the first place. There have to be people with more legitimacy.
Parsad Posted March 1 Posted March 1 7 minutes ago, Spekulatius said: The Shah grandson would be a poor choice. The Shah deserves a lot of blame for the Islamic revolution succeeding in the first place. There have to be people with more legitimacy. +1! Yup...we don't need things just happening all over again 20-30 years from now. Cheers!
Spekulatius Posted March 1 Posted March 1 (edited) Another thing that has not been talked enough about is that Iran now attacked civilian infrastructure in neighboring countries that have been more in or less neutral before. I can’t imagine they stay neutral and continue to trade with a country that tried to destroy their cities. Iran is now doing the same thing that Russia does to Ukraine (using the same means -Shahed drones) and Iran/Hezbollah did to Israel on October 7th. If this does not convince them to get off the sidelines, nothing will. At the very lest, they will stop trading with Iran and stop funding several Iran associated groups and organizations. This is the dumbest move that Iran government ever did. So more “successful” they are , the worse the outcome. it should be clear to any of the neighbors that this is a terrorist country. Doesn’t matter if they like Israel or the USA. Iran is cooked, they have only Russia and China left to trade and both of those need to be more and more concerns too that they outed the themelves, as if former action weren’t enough The one head on the pike that is really missing is Putin. He is obviously next after Maduro and Khamenei. Edited March 1 by Spekulatius
Sweet Posted March 1 Posted March 1 3 minutes ago, Spekulatius said: Another thing that has not been talked enough about is that Iran now attacked civilian infrastructure in neighboring countries that have been more in or less neutral before. I can’t imagine they stay neutral and continue to trade with a country that tried to destroy their cities. Iran is now doing the same thing that Russia does to Ukraine (using the same means -Shahed drones) and Iran/Hezbollah did to Israel on October 7th. If this does not convince them to get off the sidelines, nothing will. At the very lest, they will stop trading with Iran and stop funding several Iran associated groups and organizations. This is the dumbest move that Iran government ever did. So more “successful” they are , the worse the outcome. it should be clear to any of the neighbors that this is a terrorist country. Doesn’t matter if they like Israel or the USA. Iran is cooked, they have only Russia and China left to trade and both of those need to be more and mock concerns too that they outed the themelves, as if former action weren’t enough The one head on the pike that is really missing is Putin. He is obviously next after Maduro and Khamenei. Putin and Russia are too big, it will be Cuba probably.
Spekulatius Posted March 1 Posted March 1 5 minutes ago, Sweet said: Putin and Russia are too big, it will be Cuba probably. Cuba will fall by themselves. They stop getting oil from Venezuela and can’t afford to pay retail. They have almost nobody to trade with. Putin is the last one standing and the biggest prize of them all. Taking him off the list would greatly weaken China, more so than anything else. Just nail him when he gets out of this country or flatten his enormous datcha when he is in it.
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