KJP Posted November 11, 2025 Posted November 11, 2025 (edited) 2 hours ago, Cigarbutt said: Thank you KJP, that was interesting. The second case is typical legal work used to resolve conflicting 'powers' at the margin. The first case is both interesting and relevant (versus power to order tariffs for example) as judges leaned towards limiting the power of the POTUS despite an actual war going on. Isn't it incredible that there is still a material possibility that the actual Supreme Court defers to a single person for a situation which should be crystal clear to start with (in terms of constitutionnaly-derived separation of powers)? For the "difficult" question related to the apathy of the good people, i would say here's the beginning of an answer: A Reagan-appointed judge who decides to speak out in (a left-leaning but high validity) publication: https://archive.ph/pVeOJ To @adesigar, i just saw your post, mine then becomes somewhat repetitive. Some stuff is worth repeating though? The tariff case is, at least in the first instance, a statutory interpretation case, not a constitutional one in the way many think. Trump has identified language in a federal statute that he claims authorizes the tariffs. The Court will decide whether he is right about that statutory interpretation, So, the primary question isn't whether the Supreme Court will "defer" to Trump nor is it whether Article II authorizes the President to impose tariffs. Rather, it is whether, under the circumstances as they exist today, Congress has already given that authority to the Executive Branch via a statute. So, the tariff case is closer to Biden v. Nebraska than it might appear. A secondary question in the case, which will only arise if the Court concludes that Trump's statutory interpretation is correct, is whether the statute (as interpreted) unconstitutionally delegates legislative power to the President. The non-delegation doctrine on which that question is based is quite controversial and has a checkered history. It's main modern proponents are actually conservatives, e.g., Kavanaugh, and the liberal justices have been typically rejected it. In sum, this is not a case in which the President claims to be acting on his own inherent Article II authority without the consent or authorization of Congress. Rather, it's one in which there is a dispute about whether Congress has already delegated certain discretion to the President. (Having read Youngstown Steel, you know the importance of whether a statute has authorized the President's actions.) Here is Trump's opening brief, which identifies the specific statutory language upon which he is relying: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/24/24-1287/375365/20250919182906186_24-1287ts_Govt_IEEPATariffs_final.pdf Here is some of the respondents' briefing: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/24/24-1287/380052/20251020141757521_25-250 - Merits Brief for Private Respondents.pdf You can find the rest of the briefing here: https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/24-1287.html Here's the transcript of the oral argument: https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2025/24-1287_b07d.pdf My prediction is that Trump loses on the statutory interpretation question, and thus the Court never reaches the constitutional non-delegation question. Edited November 11, 2025 by KJP
Parsad Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 5 hours ago, Sweet said: Don’t really know this guy Dave, other than he pops up every now and again on Twitter. Kinda of crazy how much of a jerk he comes across in this video. Understand he was harassed the other day, sure, but not acceptable. People want freedom of speech, except when it shouldn't apply around them. Can you have true freedom of speech with any level of censorship? Not really. But at the same time, if someone else's freedom of speech suppresses the rights of someone else, then yes, I think a level of censorship should exist. But that's a very fine line! It's why it's up to me on here! Cheers!
Parsad Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 5 hours ago, Gregmal said: Nah lol if my kids are gonna get the experience they’re gonna get the one where they have fun but don’t wanna do it every single day. So wait in line like everyone else is how I reconcile spontaneously taking them out of school for a week just cuz. That's a good Dad! Cheers!
Parsad Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 5 hours ago, DooDiligence said: Imagine an ex-president actually wanting to greet veterans and thank them personally. Meanwhile, the Mango Mussolini rivets the crowd with another banger as he mulls over freeing a former business partner and convicted sex trafficker. Obama like Carter are excellent examples of amazing human beings...but that doesn't necessarily make a great President. You want your kids to be like them, and you wish you were like them, but do people actually want their politician like them. History says otherwise from most of the assholes who have held positions of power! Cheers!
dealraker Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 12 hours ago, Gregmal said: Why though? Why give some random stranger so much power over your life? Trump clearly dominates the minds of like 75-80% of the country…why? Im at Disney today, life’s so great I can’t stand it. Not losing my mind over manufactured fear over what some politician might or might not do at some random time in the future. I'm being goofy and silly Greg. Although I did buy more DG a few days ago. Pray for me LOL...I think I have lost my mind! DG?????!!!
Gregmal Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 12 minutes ago, dealraker said: I'm being goofy and silly Greg. Although I did buy more DG a few days ago. Pray for me LOL...I think I have lost my mind! DG?????!!! Not long ago I was dumpster diving here and there on DG and you were wisely cautioning me. Now I’m riding with my pre Trump dealraker neversell strategy, and you’re an active trader! Long live the rollercoaster.
dealraker Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 (edited) 8 hours ago, Gregmal said: Not long ago I was dumpster diving here and there on DG and you were wisely cautioning me. Now I’m riding with my pre Trump dealraker neversell strategy, and you’re an active trader! Long live the rollercoaster. Oh my "trading" is at most about 2% of the portfolio. I do it to keep - as Angela says - from living in the past. I'm more never-sell than ever because of the things I've bought that I do not plan to sell. Edited November 12, 2025 by dealraker
Parsad Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 6 hours ago, Haryana said: A former national security advisor to U.S. President Donald Trump says it was a mistake for Prime Minister Mark Carney to apologize for the anti-tariff ad that angered Trump and prompted him to terminate trade talks with Canada. Bolton is being prosecuted by the United States...not sure I would take any of his advice! Cheers!
changegonnacome Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 (edited) Invasion of Venezuela almost a certainty now...... Also kudos to Ghilaine.....she said all the right things to Todd Blanche during her interview....and now is apparently enjoying room service and puppy play dates in her new 'prison' Edited November 12, 2025 by changegonnacome
Sweet Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 7 minutes ago, changegonnacome said: Invasion of Venezuela almost a certainty now...... These things go by ‘redacted’ although it’s a clever spin for the Dems to release it as ‘VICTIM’ because it frames the sentence differently.
changegonnacome Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Sweet said: These things go by ‘redacted’ although it’s a clever spin for the Dems to release it as ‘VICTIM’ because it frames the sentence differently. Not much spinning required here......you've got a convicted paedophile, conversing with a convicted sex trafficker and paedophile talking about the President of the United States and how maybe seen as he committed similar/same crimes as Epstein.....that they should throw him under the bus for sex crimes too. The bipartisan response, the true reverse Trump Derangement Syndrome....is to focus on how the Dems chose to redact the victims name as opposed to dealing with the substance of the information released. Edited November 12, 2025 by changegonnacome
Sweet Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 3 minutes ago, changegonnacome said: Not much spinning required here......you've got a convicted paedophile, conversing with a convicted sex trafficker and paedophile talking about the President of the United States and how maybe seen as he committed similar/same crimes as Epstein that they should throw him under the bus for sex crimes too. The bipartisan response, the true reverse Trump Derangement Syndrome....is to focus on how the Dems chose to redact the victims name here. It’s interesting that you reached such a conclusion based on the above e-mail. I never cared about the Epstein stuff, before Trump, during Trump, now. Never read or watched a thing about it. Life’s a lot easier when you realise you don’t have to form an opinion about something, or rush to judgement. However if you don’t think the Dems won’t try to spin even the slightest thing - which was kinda of my point - I wouldn’t call that TDS I’d start with naive.
cubsfan Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 ^^^ It's all they got @Sweet - nothing else is working these days. The shutdown was a disaster for the Dems - so gotta go back to Epstein.
John Hjorth Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 4 hours ago, dealraker said: Oh my "trading" is at most about 2% of the portfolio. I do it to keep - as Angela says - from living in the past. I'm more never-sell than ever because of the things I've bought that I do not plan to sell. LOL! - Or perhaps to avoid falling asleep at the keyboard dropping the forehead down on the sell button on a huge long term buy and hold position with with dire tax consequences! *klonk* It reads as if Angela has a wonderful sense of humor.
changegonnacome Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 8 minutes ago, cubsfan said: It's all they got Love the "all they got" language @cubsfan.....as if whats been uncovered is like 1998 unpaid parking ticket.....as opposed to you know.....a willful cover-up of information the President said he would release because well he's implicated in it....and his ties to Epstein, the worlds most famous prolific paedophile who has brought down Princes, billionaires and Ambassadors all over the world, have been grossly under-reported.
Sweet Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 (edited) 51 minutes ago, changegonnacome said: Not much spinning required here......you've got a convicted paedophile, conversing with a convicted sex trafficker and paedophile talking about the President of the United States and how maybe seen as he committed similar/same crimes as Epstein.....that they should throw him under the bus for sex crimes too. The bipartisan response, the true reverse Trump Derangement Syndrome....is to focus on how the Dems chose to redact the victims name as opposed to dealing with the substance of the information released. Good to see this from CNN: “In one email dated April 2, 2011, which CNN has independently reviewed, Epstein emailed Maxwell: “i want you to realize that that dog that hasn’t barked is trump.. (REDACTED) spent hours at my house with him ,, he has never once been mentioned. police chief. etc. im 75 % there.” That’s good journalism to spot the sleight of hand and correct for it. 38 minutes ago, cubsfan said: ^^^ It's all they got @Sweet - nothing else is working these days. The shutdown was a disaster for the Dems - so gotta go back to Epstein. Also CNN: “GOP members of the House Oversight committee identified the person as Virginia Giuffre, one of Epstein’s most prominent survivors who died by suicide in April, and accused Democrats of hiding her name because she had not alleged Trump to have done anything wrong.” Edited November 12, 2025 by Sweet
cubsfan Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 3 minutes ago, Sweet said: “GOP members of the House Oversight committee identified the person as Virginia Giuffre, one of Epstein’s most prominent survivors who died by suicide in April, and accused Democrats of hiding her name because she had not alleged Trump to have done anything wrong.” Gosh, don't do that --- @changegonnacome will have a heart attack! It's all he's got these day! LOL
dealraker Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 16 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: LOL! - Or perhaps to avoid falling asleep at the keyboard dropping the forehead down on the sell button on a huge long term buy and hold position with with dire tax consequences! *klonk* It reads as if Angela has a wonderful sense of humor. Yea...that's it too!
John Hjorth Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 Photo from fontpage of JPs [www.jp.dk] webpage today [photo source unspecified] : - - - o 0 o - - - Please focus on POTUS' eyes! Which drugs are POTUS on?
rogermunibond Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 What kind of National/State/Local VAT rate would replace all income and property tax revenues? Has anyone found a white paper on this.
Parsad Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 4 hours ago, cubsfan said: ^^^ It's all they got @Sweet - nothing else is working these days. The shutdown was a disaster for the Dems - so gotta go back to Epstein. No, the shutdown was a disaster for those American people who it affected...they were pawns in a tug of war between asshole politicians who were still getting paid. Let's make sure we get the facts right, eh! Cheers!
Parsad Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 4 hours ago, cubsfan said: Gosh, don't do that --- @changegonnacome will have a heart attack! It's all he's got these day! LOL Cubs, I think both you and I can agree that there is a very easy way to make the Dems look completely stupid and exonerate the President from any smear campaign...that would be to release the Epstein files completely unredacted. Wouldn't you agree? Cheers!
Parsad Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 4 minutes ago, Parsad said: Cubs, I think both you and I can agree that there is a very easy way to make the Dems look completely stupid and exonerate the President from any smear campaign...that would be to release the Epstein files completely unredacted. Wouldn't you agree? Cheers! For example, the email from Michael Wolff makes Wolff look like a complete cretin and asshole...but at the same time it clearly indicates Trump had been to the house lots of times. Only releasing the whole thing will let people know exactly what went down. Cheers!
Red Lion Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 28 minutes ago, Parsad said: No, the shutdown was a disaster for those American people who it affected...they were pawns in a tug of war between asshole politicians who were still getting paid. 100%
thowed Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 23 hours ago, Gregmal said: Nah lol if my kids are gonna get the experience they’re gonna get the one where they have fun but don’t wanna do it every single day. So wait in line like everyone else is how I reconcile spontaneously taking them out of school for a week just cuz. Glad you're having fun - we went in Spring and was as joyful as I remembered as a kid, though I confess I shelled out for the queue jumps for the family as when you're coming from the UK, you're only doing it once! Though the App can be a pain. Was particularly wowed by Hollywood Studios which was new to me. Anyway, enjoy the rest, and back to the politics...
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