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[Parsad]

8 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

I’ll actually make the distinction that was conveniently left out in the “I agree” fest….so technically, you could argue against, tradition “censorship”. It wasn’t a direct order from the government in the sense of an official declaration(such as Speks referenced license pull threats)….it was government agencies and MSM colluding behind the scenes to hide a story for the purposes of influencing the election! Yes, the same charge of “influencing the election” that these fruitcakes and hypocrites spent the previous 5 years railing against and claiming were a threat to democracy! 
 

No, it wasn’t technically a “censorship”, but the majority of news networks and social media outlets refused to report “news”, banned and blocked people from sharing the story, and when it started getting enough light, they willingly published a counter narrative from a group of liars(whom instead of being presented as scumbags were labeled “experts”). 
 

End of the day…cry me a river, you reap what you sow.

 

While not right, it was a total of like 3 or 4 outlets/sources that censored or banned.  With Trump this term, it's literally every university, every news outlet that isn't pro-MAGA, every individual key anchor that writes or says anything contrary, all the late-night hosts, any social organization that promotes DEI, all organizations/programs started by Obama and Biden, etc.  I mean the fucking list goes on and on!  And we won't even get into tariffs, threats to allies, threats to non-allies, threats to the Constitution, Bill of Rights, due process or democracy.  Cheers!

[Gregmal]

11 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

While not right, it was a total of like 3 or 4 outlets/sources that censored or banned.  With Trump this term, it's literally every university, every news outlet that isn't pro-MAGA, every individual key anchor that writes or says anything contrary, all the late-night hosts, any social organization that promotes DEI, all organizations/programs started by Obama and Biden, etc.  I mean the fucking list goes on and on!  And we won't even get into tariffs, threats to allies, threats to non-allies, threats to the Constitution, Bill of Rights, due process or democracy.  Cheers!

Yup. It’s called payback. 

[Gregmal]

16 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

Because there was nothing to be skeptical about in terms of vaccines.  This is still a fucking falsehood pushed by the retard supporters.  While children didn't need mandatory vaccines, the vaccines added no additional risk to children.  That falsehood will actually hurt and kill many children going forward that didn't need to get sick or die.  Cheers!

See here’s where this is wrong. I’m generally a pro vaccine guy. But the Covid vaccines were 100% experimental and the MRNA stuff was well studied for decades but ultimately not well known in the wild. 
 

I remember vividly how shortly after word of the vaccine success came out, there were initially a few MSM reported stories of horrific reactions to the shots. It was out there for maybe 24-48 hours. Then it all disappeared. Those stories were then covered up and Fauci and co denied they were any worse than standard reactions. 
 

As I’ve mentioned, I’ve gotten the flu shot every year since I’ve had kids…so fall 2016. I got the first covid vax probably before 90% of people just cuz the process seemed to favor people with family in the medical space…which I have in spades. It was fine. Second covid shot I got is by a country mile the sickest I’ve ever been in my life. Had a 105 fever, the whole 9. I’ve run into so many people who’ve had a similar experience. 
 

Would I do anything differently in hindsight? I can’t honestly say. But the trust in the establishment is gone and it’s MSM outlets and liberals who helped push the fraud…fuck those people. 

[Parsad]

3 hours ago, Gregmal said:

See here’s where this is wrong. I’m generally a pro vaccine guy. But the Covid vaccines were 100% experimental and the MRNA stuff was well studied for decades but ultimately not well known in the wild. 
 

I remember vividly how shortly after word of the vaccine success came out, there were initially a few MSM reported stories of horrific reactions to the shots. It was out there for maybe 24-48 hours. Then it all disappeared. Those stories were then covered up and Fauci and co denied they were any worse than standard reactions. 
 

As I’ve mentioned, I’ve gotten the flu shot every year since I’ve had kids…so fall 2016. I got the first covid vax probably before 90% of people just cuz the process seemed to favor people with family in the medical space…which I have in spades. It was fine. Second covid shot I got is by a country mile the sickest I’ve ever been in my life. Had a 105 fever, the whole 9. I’ve run into so many people who’ve had a similar experience. 
 

Would I do anything differently in hindsight? I can’t honestly say. But the trust in the establishment is gone and it’s MSM outlets and liberals who helped push the fraud…fuck those people. 

 

Well, that would have to be a global conspiracy then, because there wasn't much negative written about the vaccines in other countries either.  The fact was that at the time, it was the only real treatment that could protect an individual...not just treat symptoms, but actually protect individuals from a virus that was not well known...especially the older you were, the more likely it would make a difference.  It saved millions of lives!  Cheers!

[LC]

1 hour ago, Parsad said:

It saved millions of lives!  Cheers!

 

This wouldn't be a conversation if they had just branded it the MAGA Trump Super Serum

[Sweet]

Can @Gregmaland @Parsad both be right?  I think yes.

 

There were quite a number of otherwise healthy people who didn’t have covid, but who had the vaccine, who developed heart issues (for example).

 

When others starting noticing this spike there was denial from the MSM and medics.  The establishment rallied around the mantra ‘the vaccine is safe’ and ‘trust the science’.  I also feel that dissent was suppressed - not just in the US.

 

However there is also no doubt the vaccine saved a lot of people too.  These things have side effects, that’s just the way it is.

[Marco Van Basten]

11 hours ago, Parsad said:

 

Because there was nothing to be skeptical about in terms of vaccines.  This is still a fucking falsehood pushed by the retard supporters.  While children didn't need mandatory vaccines, the vaccines added no additional risk to children.  That falsehood will actually hurt and kill many children going forward that didn't need to get sick or die.  Cheers!

Parsad, with all due respect, in Europe, children were not even allowed to be vaccinated for Covid-19.   We did not know the side effects of Covid-19 vaccine for children, and should not have experimented on them.

[DooDiligence]

Speaking of questionable medical decisions, when did bad plastic surgery become a fetish?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_face

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lifestyle/lifestyle-news/plastic-surgery-trend-mar-a-lago-face-1236065450/

[Parsad]

12 hours ago, Marco Van Basten said:

Parsad, with all due respect, in Europe, children were not even allowed to be vaccinated for Covid-19.   We did not know the side effects of Covid-19 vaccine for children, and should not have experimented on them.

 

And if the Covid virus was a more extreme variant, it could have been a massive tragedy in Europe!  50/50...I would rather not play those odds.  Cheers!

[changegonnacome]

Donald Trump, 2024 Campaign - "Why am I doing these fundraisers, the crypto guys will pay for everything I need"

 

Interesting book to be written on how an industry rife with scams, ponzis, insider trading, pump and dumps, speculation on the value of JPG's....put a President into the White House.....

 

 

And got by volume the worlds largest faciltoator of money laundering and terrorist financing (CZ from Binance ) a pardon (after he'd given the President's son's $2bn in funding for their stablecoin). See below:

 

 

His answer to 60 minutes on their questioning of the CZ pardon is "ok are you ready, I dont know who he is"

[LC]

Portland is safe! Another domestic terrorist plot has been STIFLED by the ICE Super Squad:

 

 

[cwericb]

10 hours ago, LC said:

Portland is safe! Another domestic terrorist plot has been STIFLED by the ICE Super Squad:

 

 

 

And that is the state to which society in the US has devolved? That is now acceptable?  Not much wonder visits to the US from other countries is dropping. Good luck to all.  

 

[DooDiligence]

[cubsfan]

6 minutes ago, cwericb said:

 

And that is the state to which society in the US has devolved? That is now acceptable?  Not much wonder visits to the US from other countries is dropping. Good luck to all.  

 

 

It's perfectly acceptable.

 

There is a fight for Law & Order in the US. The anarchists will lose this one.

[Cigarbutt]

On 10/31/2025 at 11:04 AM, KJP said:

I don't agree there is apathy in the United States.  Some data points...

Thank you again for the data points and the perspective.

Somehow, i think you have a legal background (lawyer?) and wondered if the unprecedented executive overreach, Congress irrelevance and undermining of the rule of law was something worthy of concern.

Oh and BTW, the apathy i was refering too was not about the noise, it was about the apathy (inspired by MLK) of the good people and the lack (apparent?) of noise at that level.

[cubsfan]

10 minutes ago, Cigarbutt said:

wondered if the unprecedented executive overreach, Congress irrelevance and undermining of the rule of law was something worthy of concern.

 

Oh my, those are some astonishing assumptions - I must have missed the executive overreach, undermining of the law and Congressional irrelevance.

 

The system is working exactly how it was intended.  POTUS is cleaning up in the Supreme Court - almost all the rulings are in his favor - as he has great Constitutional attorneys on his staff.  Congress has been elected and voting exactly as the people want, generally speaking. 

 

What you do see happening is the following: One political party has NO power due to being voted OUT by the people.  In their frustration, they use law fare to DELAY. (To delay is to deny) 

 

When you lose the people - the anarchist's playbook is the following:

 

1 - Use the media

2-  Riot & violence

3-  Lastly, use assassination

 

It's exactly their playbook and will continue throughout Trump's next 3 years.

 

It's not going to work, but sure to be ugly.

[cwericb]

29 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

It's perfectly acceptable.

 

There is a fight for Law & Order in the US. The anarchists will lose this one.

 

Methinks you obviously lack an understanding of the term "Law and Order". 

Unfortunately that is nothing new.

Have a great day.

[cubsfan]

4 minutes ago, cwericb said:

 

Methinks you obviously lack an understanding of the term "Law and Order". 

Unfortunately that is nothing new.

Have a great day.

 

Oh, there is definitely a breakdown of Law & Order going on - led by anarchists that have no power, but the ability to show violence.  Absolutely disgusting.

[LC]

40 minutes ago, cwericb said:

 

And that is the state to which society in the US has devolved? That is now acceptable?  Not much wonder visits to the US from other countries is dropping. Good luck to all.  

 

 

As you can imagine decades of under-investment in education (not just financially but also socially/culturally) has led to the average MAGA voter.

 

"Stupid and hateful" is generally how I describe what I am seeing these days.

 

People either too stupid to realize the long term implications of their decisions (see: voting Trump into power and his subsequent policies), in many cases combined with some Christian-nationalist crap where they are hateful of anyone who is not "like them". 

 

As an American - it's absolutely embarrassing.

[LC]

23 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

Oh, there is definitely a breakdown of Law & Order going on

 

We gotta get rid of the anarchists! Throw em in jail! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whoops - wrong anarchists!   

[Castanza]

14 minutes ago, LC said:

 

As you can imagine decades of under-investment in education (not just financially but also socially/culturally) has led to the average MAGA voter.

 

"Stupid and hateful" is generally how I describe what I am seeing these days.

 

People either too stupid to realize the long term implications of their decisions (see: voting Trump into power and his subsequent policies), in many cases combined with some Christian-nationalist crap where they are hateful of anyone who is not "like them". 

 

As an American - it's absolutely embarrassing.

 

You've really lost your balance and nuance when it comes to political opinions. Anyone with a brain should be able to parse reasonable reasons why some chose to vote for Trump instead of Kamala the same way anyone with a brain should be able to parse reasons not vote for him. Individuals voting for Trump has nothing to do with the failing education system that has been "run by" the progressive party for decades now. So who's product is this? Who's failing is this if you claim it's the education system? Because last time I checked you have the top universities in the US staging mass protests for pro antisemitism, pro communism and pro socialist ideas. The entire backbone of higher ed in the US and education policy is like 90% left leaning. Zero diversity of thought....yet Trump is a result of a left leaning education system? Is that uneducated view a result of the same education system you claim to have birthed the Trump Era?

 

I'd argue Trump is a symptom of the system in its entirety. Push and Pull makes the pendulum swing....I do not think things get better post Trump because the dialogue is not easing at the "average voter" level. 

 

This "issue" is also not unique to the US. Sam Harris gets it right when he said we are seeing "Global Weimar" play out. Europe is arguable on the verge of being worse than the US with the rise of actual far right leaders (see Herbert Kickl) and political parties being favored. The world is arguable the most anti-semitic it has been since WWII. Average far left voters are borderline embracing radical jihad groups with outright wild claims of genocide in the West Bank. In the same way average right wing voters are embracing the idea that every illegal immigrant here is a criminal and should be treated inhumanely or not given due process. Both parties are supporting their own version of McCarthyism. The issue of how we got here is never up for discussion when those speak out against said actions/policies. You cannot problem solve if you don't first think..."What did WE do wrong?"

 

"As an American - it's absolutely embarrassing." 

 

I agree, but I think some self reflection is needed on your part. When someone align with extreme views on either end of the spectrum they begin to view moderates and centrists as extremists....As someone who misses your political nuance respectfully you're pushing the boundary.

 

We all need to do some self reflection here....because history shows us the grass is often not greener on the other side. 

[KJP]

1 hour ago, Cigarbutt said:

Thank you again for the data points and the perspective.

Somehow, i think you have a legal background (lawyer?) and wondered if the unprecedented executive overreach, Congress irrelevance and undermining of the rule of law was something worthy of concern.

Oh and BTW, the apathy i was refering too was not about the noise, it was about the apathy (inspired by MLK) of the good people and the lack (apparent?) of noise at that level.

 

Yes, I am a lawyer, but I handle private civil litigation.  I rarely encounter constitutional issues and do not handle any criminal, immigration, or administrative law cases.  It is in those areas where the limits of executive power are being tested.     

 

I'm also not based in Washington D.C. and have never worked for the executive or legislative branches.  So, I have no personal experience with whether the interplay between those branches is different now than it was, say, 30 years ago.  But it certain seems as if the executive branch has been growing in power relative to the legislative branch for some time.  Part of that is a natural outgrowth of a larger federal government, which inherently requires a larger executive branch to function.  Another part of that is that I do not get the sense that voters care much at all about process or nuanced discussions of the separation of powers; they are much more concerned about results.  And you have what seems to me to be the nationalization of all politics.  40 years ago, both parties' Congressional delegations had much more internal diversity, e.g., "Blue Dog" or Reagan Democrats and New England liberal Republicans.  Those seem very rare today, which is likely exacerbated by more sophisticated gerrymandering.  The result is that overriding a Presidential veto seems practically impossible, further undercutting the legislative branch.  I do find these developments concerning, but I do not expect them to be rolled back any time soon.  

 

I also agree with you that Trump seems to be going farther than others in exerting Presidential power for personal or corrupt ends, such as what appear to be rather flimsy prosecutions of people against whom he has personal grudges or using administrative authority over, for example, mergers to achieve personal or partisan political ends.  I'm not suggesting prior Presidents have never done any of those things or that some of those same tactics weren't used against Trump himself; rather, that Trump seems an order of magnitude (at least) bigger and more brazen about what he is doing.

 

Regarding your apathy point, can you describe specifically what you believe the "good people" could or should be doing that they are not?  Note in this context that Trump won the popular vote and that we will have another federal election in a year.

 

Also, you refer to "unprecedented executive overreach".  Can you give two or three specific examples of what you're referring to?

 

 

[LC]

@Castanza Let's be real, the time for nuanced discussion or self-reflection is long gone.

Do you think Trump is sitting down to debate the issues? What did he just say about pardoning a convicted binance money-launderer? "I don't even know him!" Meanwhile his family is in bed with Binance. Give me a break.

 

As you said, Trump is a symptom of the system. We got what we paid for - or in this case, what we didn't pay for. Shall we talk about tax breaks for the rich and ICE budgets? Shall we talk about wealth distribution? Why does every republican senator vote against a bipartisan border security bill at Trump's request? Gimme a break.

 

In terms of education- yes I made a blanket statement...dig deeper? Sure.

Take a look at education levels amongst the 50 states and compare with which States voted red vs blue. We both know how it looks, we both know which states historically pushed for public education funding and which prefer voucher systems. We both know which party pushed for taxes to fund the institutions meant to discourage the blatant unconstitutional corruption we are seeing, and we know which party has made every effort to gut those institutions, using the same bullshit arguments seen in 1774 and 1858. I'll spare the poor sensitive summer children in the audience the painful truth, they don't want to hear it  anyways. 

[Gregmal]

To be fair, they regularly denigrate the NY Post even though it’s been pretty thorough reporting both sides, but then find comfort in the legitimacy of Reddit sub threads….

[LC]

Guilty!

Reddit definitely appeals to my obviously progressive leanings...but I know they're only delivering the northeast liberal hippie slant of news events...NY Post gives the opposite side, it reminds me of the angry guy on the subway platform, I like him too!

 

Who else is going to tell me the Knicks still suck, they will forever suck, and it's all Ewing's fault for missing that finger-roll? The NY Post, that's who!