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[Castanza]

3 minutes ago, cwericb said:

 

Yup. A lot of hindsight going on here by people who maintained that Covid was nothing to be concerned about and was "just another flu".

 

Who said that? I was one of the first on here saying Covid was something to watch when videos of China fogging entire cities was coming out weeks before it hit in the US. The only revisionist history is people saying Fauci and the CDC had good communication while glossing over the strong arming, and censoring of any other date. You're also messing up timelines as the poor communication continues well into 2021...The were still HEAVILIY pushing narratives that were no longer true. Look how late they were trying to push through vaccinations of young kids when it was well known they were not at risk...

[Gregmal]

lol yup. It’s like revenge of the germophobe nerds!
 

Lest we forget, even deep into 2021, when they HAD data showing vaccines did nothing to “stop the spread”, they insisted on bullying people into getting their experimental vaccines, and even had the audacity to FIRE or cancel folks for not getting it, then took victory laps on vaccination success rates as Covid cases hit astronomical levels amongst vaccinated crowds into the 2021 holiday….only to go radio silent sans some screaming about a super duper nothing burger variant from South Africa….then when that was all said and done, the same people moved on to “my body my choice” LMFAO fuckin losers

Edited October 2, 2025 by Gregmal

[cwericb]

9 minutes ago, Castanza said:

 

Who said that? I was one of the first on here saying Covid was something to watch when videos of China fogging entire cities was coming out weeks before it hit in the US. The only revisionist history is people saying Fauci and the CDC had good communication while glossing over the strong arming, and censoring of any other date. You're also messing up timelines as the poor communication continues well into 2021...The were still HEAVILIY pushing narratives that were no longer true. Look how late they were trying to push through vaccinations of young kids when it was well known they were not at risk...

 

 

I did not say that you said that nor am I "messing up any timelines". But your memory is either short or convenient.

[cwericb]

1 minute ago, Gregmal said:

lol yup. It’s like revenge of the germophobe nerds!
 

Lest we forget, even deep into 2021, when they HAD data showing vaccines did nothing to “stop the spread”, they insisted on bullying people into getting their experimental vaccines, and even had the audacity to FIRE or cancel folks for not getting it, then took victory laps on vaccination success rates as Covid cases hit astronomical levels amongst vaccinated crowds into the 2021 holiday….only to go radio silent sans some screaming about a super duper nothing burger variant from South Africa….then when that was all said and done, the same people moved on to “my body my choice” LMFAO fuckin losers

 

"Speak of the devil and he is sure to appear."

[Gregmal]

19 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

lol yup. It’s like revenge of the germophobe nerds!
 

Lest we forget, even deep into 2021, when they HAD data showing vaccines did nothing to “stop the spread”, they insisted on bullying people into getting their experimental vaccines, and even had the audacity to FIRE or cancel folks for not getting it, then took victory laps on vaccination success rates as Covid cases hit astronomical levels amongst vaccinated crowds into the 2021 holiday….only to go radio silent sans some screaming about a super duper nothing burger variant from South Africa….then when that was all said and done, the same people moved on to “my body my choice” LMFAO fuckin losers

 

[Castanza]

5 minutes ago, cwericb said:

 

 

I did not say that you said that nor am I "messing up any timelines". But your memory is either short or convenient.

 

Sure thing squirt....there is only a handful of people engaged in this conversation....

 

I'm not going to sit here and rehash timelines while you throw in comments from the peanut section....we all know the history and timelines....Covid was/is real and was a problem (fact)....but it's undeniable that there were major issues with how the response was handled that contributed to the current vaccine hesitant environment....unknowns or not, the approach was not democratic nor professional. Again, politics was elevated above common sense out of pride...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Marco Van Basten]

3 hours ago, dwy000 said:

I posted the government's own statistics and projections. You cant argue against that with "i remember reading a study once...".  If you have the study, post it and let's discuss it. But until then its just conjecture from someone who admittedly has a deeply one sided view. 

That study is meaningless and inaccurate, and plenty of things that count do not or cannot get counted.  I don't have the time to go through it and rip it apart.  I live among immigrants, and I can see that they are a massive drain on society, at least in NYC.  

[Mephistopheles]

5 hours ago, Marco Van Basten said:

That's not true.  At the same time that Fauci and Co as well as left wingers (in NYC a kid could not come into a museum if he was not vaccinated for Covid) were screaming hysterically about vaccinating 5 year old children, Europeans were saying that they saw no benefit. 

The fact that Fauci & lefties were also demanding that everyone who disagreed re vaccines was censored was in my opinion criminal.  Trust is a very fragile thing, and is easily broken.   @LC, I agree that then some people say no point in measles vaccine, and that's a tragedy.  However, again, Fauci & Co are to blame since they lied repeatedly, did their best to censor dissenting views - the opposite of what a scientist should do, and now people just don't trust what the government tells them.  Our government and universities repeatedly either outright lie or obfuscate the truth and then are surprised that people don't believe them.   

 

First, I'm not talking about "lefties". I'd separate the scientists from the politicians.

 

Just going by the American Academy of Pediatric guidelines, it's still recommended. Perhaps the guidelines in Europe were/are different? I don't know why that matters. Just saying that in the medical community most acted/act in good faith regarding this.

 

What the virus is today is not what it potentially could have been 5 years ago. There's no counterfactual to compare with.

 

 

[cwericb]

39 minutes ago, Castanza said:

 

Sure thing squirt....there is only a handful of people engaged in this conversation....

 

 

Really?  

[dwy000]

13 minutes ago, Marco Van Basten said:

That study is meaningless and inaccurate, and plenty of things that count do not or cannot get counted.  I don't have the time to go through it and rip it apart.  I live among immigrants, and I can see that they are a massive drain on society, at least in NYC.  

Everyone in America lives amongst immigrants.  The data shows otherwise.  

[cwericb]

I live in an area that has had very few immigrants until about 10 years ago.

 

However, we have recently had a lot of immigrants, primarily from China (most wealthy), The Philippines (hard workers,friendly & well liked), India, then Middle East and a few from Eastern Europe and Africa.

 

We have also received a substantial amount of immigration from other parts of our own Country. While this has caused substantial changes to the social makeup of the area, immigrants have caused little or no problems. In general, they are very hard working, honest and friendly people. But then again, most of the local population are friendly and welcoming, so perhaps you get what you give.

 

While there is a certain amount of ... "Those f..ing immigrants are taking our jobs". In actuality many immigrants are working at jobs locals wouldn't take because they would prefer to exist on employment insurance or welfare since they feel they are too good to take the jobs many immigrants are only too glad to have. 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2025 by cwericb

[Parsad]

9 hours ago, Sweet said:

 

How can a US government report on US immigration disagree with a Danish study of Danish immigration?

 

 

 

I don't know...I've read the U.S. report, but haven't read the Danish report...except for one chart you posted.  Cheers!

[Parsad]

20 hours ago, Castanza said:

The science being followed is highly selective on both sides of the aisle…just saying…. But for topic sake 100% agree 
 

 

 

 

Not really!  There are massive clinical studies backing one side, while a handful of small statistics and studies backing the other...and most aren't particularly reputable!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

19 hours ago, Gregmal said:

There was very clear evidence that COVID did not affect children. There was no evidence suggesting a vaccine was necessary for them. Only the dishonest medical people were advocating for children getting Covid vaccines. I have multiple family members in high level medical positions; they vary in terms of their politics, but all agree on the subject of kids and Covid. 

 

According to UNICEF, 17,400 children died from Covid.  In terms of side effects, various studies have put it at 15-20 per 2M doses.  There are about 1.3B adolescents globally, so side effects could have possible affected between 10K and 13K of them...still far less than total deaths, let alone serious illnesses like pneumonia which were probably 10 times those numbers.  Any way you want to cut, the vaccines saved lives, especially those over 50 years of age...and even all the way down to young children.  There is just no disputing this fact!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

19 hours ago, Gregmal said:

The issue around covid was that the government thugs were actively working against the public by strong-arming big tech into censoring all the available info. I know thats not known by the Libs because their methods of obtaining information dont present them those stories, but it was very obvious from anyone whom was thinking critically at the time.

 

My wife and I both got the vaccines and one booster, and chose not to get them for our kids. Had we gotten all the info, I dont think we would have done anything differently anyway. We knew we were being lied to but considered ourselves guinea pigs for our kids...so whatever. 

 

 

Again, bullshit on the stats and actual clinical information.  Cheers!

[John Hjorth]

11 minutes ago, Parsad said:

I don't know...I've read the U.S. report, but haven't read the Danish report...except for one chart you posted.  Cheers!

 

Sanjeev [ @Parsad ] & @Sweet,

 

I've just tried to find the report in mention at the Danish Ministry of Finance website, to no avail, - by now. Please note, @Sweets source is the Economist, with source to the Danish Ministry of Finance, and from mention of source year [2018], likely out of date stuff by now :

 

[Parsad]

7 hours ago, Marco Van Basten said:

That's not true.  At the same time that Fauci and Co as well as left wingers (in NYC a kid could not come into a museum if he was not vaccinated for Covid) were screaming hysterically about vaccinating 5 year old children, Europeans were saying that they saw no benefit. 

The fact that Fauci & lefties were also demanding that everyone who disagreed re vaccines was censored was in my opinion criminal.  Trust is a very fragile thing, and is easily broken.   @LC, I agree that then some people say no point in measles vaccine, and that's a tragedy.  However, again, Fauci & Co are to blame since they lied repeatedly, did their best to censor dissenting views - the opposite of what a scientist should do, and now people just don't trust what the government tells them.  Our government and universities repeatedly either outright lie or obfuscate the truth and then are surprised that people don't believe them.   

 

This is complete garbage!  You're suggesting that Fauci is to blame for the current disbelief in vaccines, when it was the current President who created this whole narrative on not trusting Fauci...or the hundreds of other professionals that disagreed with him in almost every department of the government.  If they don't agree with Trump, then tell the populace he/she is doing a bad job and lying.  All the people he hired himself and then fired...same thing...they don't agree, let's create this narrative that they are lying scumbags! 

 

Fauci, along with the President, both agreed on Operation Warp Speed that saved millions of lives...Trump just didn't like the fact that Fauci disagreed with him on other things like Ivermectin, bleach injections, etc.  If Fauci played the good little soldier, instead of trusting his conscience he would still be leading the CDC.  Cheers!

[Parsad]

6 hours ago, dwy000 said:

Then given the entire discussion was around US immigration what is the relevance of posting Danish statistics if its not comparable?

 

LOL!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

1 hour ago, Mephistopheles said:

 

First, I'm not talking about "lefties". I'd separate the scientists from the politicians.

 

Just going by the American Academy of Pediatric guidelines, it's still recommended. Perhaps the guidelines in Europe were/are different? I don't know why that matters. Just saying that in the medical community most acted/act in good faith regarding this.

 

What the virus is today is not what it potentially could have been 5 years ago. There's no counterfactual to compare with.

 

 

 

+1!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

2 hours ago, Castanza said:

 

Sure thing squirt....there is only a handful of people engaged in this conversation....

 

I'm not going to sit here and rehash timelines while you throw in comments from the peanut section....we all know the history and timelines....Covid was/is real and was a problem (fact)....but it's undeniable that there were major issues with how the response was handled that contributed to the current vaccine hesitant environment....unknowns or not, the approach was not democratic nor professional. Again, politics was elevated above common sense out of pride...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why call him squirt?  Seems a bit belittling.  Cheers!

[cwericb]

22 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

Why call him squirt?  Seems a bit belittling.  Cheers!

 

Now I didn't say this but From Wiki: 

 George Louis Costanza ... is a short, stocky, balding man who struggles with numerous insecurities ...   

[John Hjorth]

42 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

Sanjeev [ @Parsad ] & @Sweet,

 

I've just tried to find the report in mention at the Danish Ministry of Finance website, to no avail, - by now. Please note, @Sweets source is the Economist, with source to the Danish Ministry of Finance, and from mention of source year [2018], likely out of date stuff by now :

 

 

Sanjeev [ @Parsad ], @Sweet and all others,

 

@Sweet has contacted me p2p and - very forthcoming - provided the link to the original report mentioned above.

 

Thank you for that, @Sweet!

 

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Attached is the report :

 

1. In English language, created by the use of Google Translate, applied on #2,

2. The original report, in Danish language.

The Danish Ministry of Finance - indvandreres-nettobidrag-til-de-offentlige-finanser-i-2018 - 2021 - English - 20251003.pdf The Danish Ministry of Finance - indvandreres-nettobidrag-til-de-offentlige-finanser-i-2018 - 2021 - Danish - 20251003.pdf

Edited October 2, 2025 by John Hjorth

[Sweet]

3 hours ago, Marco Van Basten said:

That study is meaningless and inaccurate, and plenty of things that count do not or cannot get counted.  I don't have the time to go through it and rip it apart.  I live among immigrants, and I can see that they are a massive drain on society, at least in NYC.  

Liberals think you can pick up a person from one part of the world, move them to another part of the world, drop them in, and all will be fine.

 

Running up to Brexit, the argument was the immigration was a net economic benefit to the UK.  Perhaps it was then.  However there were also reasons to believe that wasn’t the full story, for example, parts of UK cities would have certain immigrants hanging around during the week clearly doing nothing.  It’s gotten much worse since Brexit too.

Until recently we couldn’t even examine the ethnic background and immigration status of the people in UK as it relates to crime, employment, welfare.  
 

Recent work has started to give different answers on whether immigration is economically beneficial.  At best the situation is now is complicated.  What’s certain is the mantra of immigration is always good has been shattered.

 

Worse are the non-economic effects though, we are finding that many immigrants are over represented in crime and many are hostile to our country and values.

 

All of which is to say trust your eyes, the data and research lags - always - and what’s acceptable to talk about shifts slowly at first and then fast.  Yet don’t tar everyone with the same brush as some immigrants definitely do contribute, and do integrate.

 

 

Edited October 2, 2025 by Sweet

[Spekulatius]

11 hours ago, Sweet said:

 

How can a US government report on US immigration disagree with a Danish study of Danish immigration?

 

 

They can both be right because Denmark <> USA and the emigrant pool is differnt too.

[Sweet]

1 minute ago, Spekulatius said:

They can both be right because Denmark <> USA and the emigrant pool is differnt too.

Yes, which is the point I made.