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[73 Reds]

Just now, dealraker said:

Again, not here Reds.   This ain't West VA.

And again, you were the one who made a broad comment:

 

" you will not find anyone to re-roof your home who doesn't employ illegals."

[Sweet]

40 minutes ago, LC said:

 

There is really nothing more to say - this quoted post reads as if global politics during the late 18th and 19th century never occurred, and as if the entire legal system is irrelevant. A blissful way to propose solutions, I am sure.

Unfortunately LC our governments haven’t been enforcing our laws for a long time.

 

There is not one thing wrong with sending people back who aren’t supposed to be here.  Nothing.

 

Everyone should be given a chance to prove they are a citizens.  If they are illegal though, they broke the law coming, they shouldn’t be deported immediately, that’s all the due process required.

 

[dealraker]

9 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

And again, you were the one who made a broad comment:

 

" you will not find anyone to re-roof your home who doesn't employ illegals."

Guess I need to hire you before I post?  LOL, you knew precisely what I meant.

[73 Reds]

8 minutes ago, dealraker said:

Guess I need to hire you before I post?  LOL, you knew precisely what I meant.

Actually, no.  All industries are local and rely on what they can get.  But who gets to decide which laws we enforce and which laws we don't?  We should not need to be struggling with this issue but for sorry politicians who have failed us.  We now have one willing to tackle the problem head on.  Who knows whether he will succeed but doing nothing is IMO not an option.  

Edited July 21, 2025 by 73 Reds
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[dealraker]

2 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Actually, no.  All industries are local and rely on what they can get.  But who gets to decide which laws we enforce and which laws we don't?  We should not need to be struggling with this issue but for sorry politicians who have failed us.  We now have one willing to tackle the problem head on.  Who knows whether he will succeed but doing nothing is IMO not an option.  

I have no issue with that.  We need legal people though to do things that seem outside of what our legals currently are able and willing to do.  We just began this journey, it may not be a smooth one.

[73 Reds]

2 minutes ago, dealraker said:

I have no issue with that.  We need legal people though to do things that seem outside of what our legals currently are able and willing to do.  We just began this journey, it may not be a smooth one.

Nor should it be.  But we need a process that is consistently applied.  I'm sure you have friends or know people from other countries who spent a lot of time and money gaining legal entry and citizenship into the United States.  Why should it be easier for those who choose to break the law?

[Parsad]

8 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

Sanjeev, diversity, equity and inclusion in and of themselves are all fine.  But they should not be legally mandated or forced on one group at the expense of another.  That is the issue, not whether DEI is right to wrong.    As for corporate taxes, most small businesses are "corporations" of one form or another and may be subject to corporate taxes.  Small businesses are often comprised of one, or a small group of individuals.  Generalizing about corporate tax policy affects mostly individuals by definition, not just big business.  

 

Hi 73 Reds, I'm not sure I said anything different than you...re-read my original post.  Cheers!

[Parsad]

7 hours ago, Sweet said:

Why is it fine?

 

I’m older enough to remember when the UK was homogenous and we had none of this.

 

Diversity in the UK has mean division.

 

Note it’s not equality it’s equity.

 

And inclusion, why should we seek to include cultures and values at odds with ours?

 

Weren't the culture and values at odds when blacks were shipped over as slave labor?  no problem there!

 

Were the cultures at odds when the Irish and Italian came?  Seemed so...keep them out...now they are the foundation of American civilization.

 

What about when the Chinese laborers were brought in to do your washing and build the railroads?  Ok.

 

Then Japanese with all of their money in the 80's...Hong Kong in the 90's...Taiwanese...now a high number of Indians with their degrees.  Yup, all fine.

 

So, your friggin' culture, whether in the UK, US or Canada, is an amalgamation of immigrants.  The homogenous culture outside of Japan no longer exists.  Cheers!

[John Hjorth]

43 minutes ago, dealraker said:

I have no issue with that.  We need legal people though to do things that seem outside of what our legals currently are able and willing to do.  We just began this journey, it may not be a smooth one.

 

28 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Nor should it be.  But we need a process that is consistently applied.  I'm sure you have friends or know people from other countries who spent a lot of time and money gaining legal entry and citizenship into the United States.  Why should it be easier for those who choose to break the law?

 

The phenomen discussed above by Charlie [ @dealraker ], @73 Reds, @changegonnacome and others, and on which there so seem to be an overall concensus here,  has here in Europe its separate name : 

 

Social Dumping [<- link to the Danish Wikipedia article, translated to English laguage, - I personally think it's better than the Wikipedia page in English language, so to say, 'directly'].

 

Here in Denmark, there is basically no way to cheat on the weight with salaries. At employment, an employeé has to provide a Danish social security number for the employeé to the employer, which is based on an approved staying and working permit for a a person being a citizen of foreign country.

 

A decent Danish salary and payroll system with respect for it self can provide an reconciliation of total wages, total withheld employeé taxes etc. on wages and salaries etc. on all employeés reconciled the the company general ledger, with yearly and monthly detailed reporting on person level to the IRS, to be distributed at the Danish IRS on each person employed.

 

- - - o 0 o - - -

 

I just checked : The oldest yearly reportings to the system at IRS I can access for my self, are for the year 2003. Monthly details appear to be stored for three years [, from the meny to judge, I personally haven't received a payslip in ten years now].

 

It works great here, but as with everything, it isen't perfect.

[Parsad]

4 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 

Can't wait to hear the next prediction that is sure to bring Trump down, whilst the MAGA crowd is elated about no crime, sealed borders, slap down of commie universities, and backlash against the insane LGBTQ idiots that want to destroy the privacy of women.

 

No crime...when hell freezes over!  Commie universities...yes, a slap down of some of your brightest institutions.  No one wanted to destroy the privacy of women except the fucker sitting in the President's chair at the moment...forced pregnancies, illegal abortions, increased gender discrimination, limitation of positions and opportunities for racially marginalized women, decreased pay for marginalized women, etc.  Cheers!

[Parsad]

2 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

How would you feel if one of the illegals working on your roof committed a heinous crime against one of your town's citizens tonight after he packed up and left your job site?  Curious, would you think that even if your Roofer had hired legals the same crime could have been committed?  Is there no more to the issue?    

 

What's the difference between an illegal murderer and a legal murderer?  They are both frickin' murderers!  It's ok for legal murderers with legal guns to go a shoot up a school because they are legal?  Cheers!

[73 Reds]

Just now, Parsad said:

 

What's the difference between an illegal murderer and a legal murderer?  They are both frickin' murderers!  It's ok for legal murderers with legal guns to go a shoot up a school because they are legal?  Cheers!

Of course not but one is entirely preventable with sensible application of existing laws.

[Parsad]

1 hour ago, dealraker said:

I assure you Trump also indirectly employs illegals cubs.  

 

For sure.  At his Trump hotel in Chicago...I bet they are full of them...I've seen them about a decade ago.  Guaranteed the guys cutting his golf grounds and the women changing sheets at the hotels...a good number are illegal.  He's too fucking cheap to pay full wages to legals!  It's why he married Melania...lower pre-nup threshold!    Cheers!

[Parsad]

3 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Of course not but one is entirely preventable with sensible application of existing laws.

 

Yeah, but is it preventable?  Most of the illegals coming into the U.S. are employed by the wealthy or business owners.  That's who is paying them under the table and allowing them to build lives in the U.S. and send money back to family elsewhere.  The illegals didn't simply gain a foothold in the U.S. because they crossed the border.  Somebody gave them money, either through work or welfare, but they were seeded by other Americans.  Cheers!

[John Hjorth]

4 minutes ago, Parsad said:

It's why he married Melania...lower pre-nup threshold!    Cheers!

 

There exists - more or less -  the concept of 'mutually and silently agreed exploitation' inside every marriage. It's about 'I diden't merry him [or her!] for the sake of all his [or her] money, -I married him [or her] to take all his [or her] money!' 

[Parsad]

MAGA supporters...isn't the office of the President above shit like this?  C'mon...no matter how much you hate Obama or Biden or whoever, there has to be some decorum.  Has anyone seen all effing gold all over the Oval Office now?  This just seems so unseemly at almost every level!  Cheers!

 

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-posts-fake-video-obama-170639766.html

 

Oval office - Biden

 

 

Oval office - Trump

 

 

It's like Versace vomited all over the Oval Office...now looks as ugly as Trump's apartment in New York.  A setting fit for Caligula!  Cheers!

[73 Reds]

9 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

Yeah, but is it preventable?  Most of the illegals coming into the U.S. are employed by the wealthy or business owners.  That's who is paying them under the table and allowing them to build lives in the U.S. and send money back to family elsewhere.  The illegals didn't simply gain a foothold in the U.S. because they crossed the border.  Somebody gave them money, either through work or welfare, but they were seeded by other Americans.  Cheers!

It is preventable if we simply follow laws that already exist.  The fact that we exploit violation of these laws only makes it worse.

[LC]

2 hours ago, Sweet said:

There is not one thing wrong with sending people back who aren’t supposed to be here.  Nothing.

 

Everyone should be given a chance to prove they are a citizens.  

 

On that we agree! 

 

Let's see if ICE/DHS is doing that:

 

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https://lataco.com/javier-ramirez-citizen-case

U.S. Attorney’s Office Quietly Drops Case Against American Citizen Arrested In Montebello

When the agent questioned U.S.-born Javier Ramirez about his citizenship, the feds claimed that Ramirez refused to talk to them, despite video footage showing that Ramirez repeatedly told agents he had his passport on him.

 

 

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/congresswoman-tracks-down-u-citizen-004620254.html

A Portland mother and her four children, who are U.S. citizens, are being detained in Ferndale by the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol, according to U.S. Rep. Maxine Dexter of Oregon’s 3rd congressional district.

The family has been held at the facility for nearly two weeks without any contact with legal representation or charges being filed, according to their lawyer, Jill Nedved with Gonzales Law Office in Seattle.

“An Oregon family was kidnapped and taken to an undisclosed location in Washington state,” Dexter said in a statement to the media. “After learning of this horror on Tuesday, my team worked for days to determine their whereabouts. I arrived in Bellingham on Thursday, where we ultimately located the family — after Customs and Border Protection (CBP) initially misled us.”

 

 

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https://www.npr.org/2025/07/11/nx-s1-5462618/federal-judge-orders-stop-to-indiscriminate-immigration-raids-in-los-angeles

A federal judge in Los Angeles ordered the Trump administration to stop carrying out immigration sweeps in which she said federal agents have been indiscriminately arresting people across southern California without reasonable suspicion that they're in the country illegally.

 

 

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https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1939370308680450526

 

ICE arrest Pasadena mother without warrant—turns out they abducted wrong person.

Only 2 of 3 agents had a badge—none were in uniform.

Rosalina Luna Vargas was eventually taken into custody despite her 2 children's best efforts. After inflicting all of that trauma—ICE later admit they arrested the wrong person by mistake in the first place. Told the family they had just been "in the wrong place at the wrong time."

 

 

 

Honestly the 10 minutes it took to google these cases should be 9 more minutes than necessary to understand ICE's behavior is not only unconstitutional, but obviously driven by the Rapist in Chief's strongarm politics. 

[cubsfan]

1 hour ago, 73 Reds said:

It is preventable if we simply follow laws that already exist.  The fact that we exploit violation of these laws only makes it worse.

 

Ah, the President is trying to level the playing field and not be beholded to RINO or Leftist wishes. They all hate him for it. That's why the RINO's are dying breed, as the public knows they were fucked over by Republicans wishing low wages. The Lefties hate him since he put a stop to their plan to import new voters totally dependent on the giveaways from the Democratic Party, at the expense of their base.

 

Once the Hispanics and Blacks caught on --- their plan was doomed. 

[Sweet]

1 hour ago, Parsad said:

 

Weren't the culture and values at odds when blacks were shipped over as slave labor?  no problem there!

 

Were the cultures at odds when the Irish and Italian came?  Seemed so...keep them out...now they are the foundation of American civilization.

 

What about when the Chinese laborers were brought in to do your washing and build the railroads?  Ok.

 

Then Japanese with all of their money in the 80's...Hong Kong in the 90's...Taiwanese...now a high number of Indians with their degrees.  Yup, all fine.

 

So, your friggin' culture, whether in the UK, US or Canada, is an amalgamation of immigrants.  The homogenous culture outside of Japan no longer exists.  Cheers!

UK culture is not a result of immigrants, this is made up bollox.  The UK was a homogenous society, with the sphere of migration coming from North West Europeans until the last 50 odd years.

 

America is different because it was always a melting pot of sorts, but it has its limits to.  Many of thr aforementioned immigrants had broadly the same culture, and their differences like - the Irish and Italians were catholic - are slight in the grand scheme of things.

 

Plenty of places have a homogenous culture still to this day.  It’s not just Japan.  Many countries in Africa, Middle East, East Asia.  In fact until very recently they were homogenous except North and South America.

[Sweet]

35 minutes ago, LC said:

 

On that we agree! 

 

Let's see if ICE/DHS is doing that:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Honestly the 10 minutes it took to google these cases should be 9 more minutes than necessary to understand ICE's behavior is not only unconstitutional, but obviously driven by the Rapist in Chief's strongarm politics. 

Which goes to prove that US citizens are in fact getting due process because they are citizens.

 

 

[Sweet]

2 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

It is preventable if we simply follow laws that already exist.  The fact that we exploit violation of these laws only makes it worse.

Is it by the laws we currently have?

 

Asylum laws have been reinterpreted to give people who are obviously economic migrants asylum.

 

Examples in the UK are Muslims claiming they are Christian to escape persecution - when in fact they continue to practice Islam.

Edited July 21, 2025 by Sweet

[cubsfan]

3 minutes ago, Sweet said:

UK culture is not a result of immigrants, this is made up bollox.  The UK was a homogenous society, with the sphere of migration coming from North West Europeans until the last 50 odd years.

 

America is different because it was always a melting pot of sorts, but it has its limits to.  Many of thr aforementioned immigrants had broadly the same culture, and their differences like - the Irish and Italians were catholic - are slight in the grand scheme of things.

 

Plenty of places have a homogenous culture still to this day.  It’s not just Japan.  Many countries in Africa, Middle East, East Asia.  In fact until very recently they were homogenous except North and South America.

 

America WAS different, as it required assimilation into American culture.

Citizenship was not simply given away. My mother immigrated from Latin America at 19, she learned to speak perfect english. She worked hard to study to become a citizen.  She is hugely nationalistic from her home country, but she was so proud the day she became an American citizen.

 

She would never carry the flag of her home country in protest of our country, America, that has been so good to her.  Her values of hardwork, meritocracy, love of freedom & liberty, etc, etc - ARE American culture. None of that existed in the country she left - a typical dictatorship.

 

But we have seen in America, when you import millions of foreigners with no plan of assimilation- they will spit in your face, fly the flag of the country they fled - and tell you that you're a racist.

 

The melting pot only works when it is take seriously by both the host & the immigrant.  We have lost that in America.

 

I hope you don't lose it in Britain.

[Parsad]

13 minutes ago, Sweet said:

UK culture is not a result of immigrants, this is made up bollox.  The UK was a homogenous society, with the sphere of migration coming from North West Europeans until the last 50 odd years.

 

America is different because it was always a melting pot of sorts, but it has its limits to.  Many of thr aforementioned immigrants had broadly the same culture, and their differences like - the Irish and Italians were catholic - are slight in the grand scheme of things.

 

Plenty of places have a homogenous culture still to this day.  It’s not just Japan.  Many countries in Africa, Middle East, East Asia.  In fact until very recently they were homogenous except North and South America.

 

Not true.  UK immigration began in the early 1900's eventually hitting the 17% of current population that was born outside of the UK.  Even the original UK population was an amalgamation of Scandinavian, Roman and Northern tribes.  

 

And if you think immigrants haven't influenced UK culture, then why do you have like six Eastern European news stations, a couple of Al Jazeera stations and a slew of other minority channels.  The number one dish in your country is Chicken Tikka Masala...even ahead of Fish & Chips, Hot Pots and Scotch Eggs!  Cheers!

[LC]

4 minutes ago, Sweet said:

Which goes to prove that US citizens are in fact getting due process because they are citizens.

 

 

 

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https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/due_process 

 

Due process (or due process of law) primarily refers to the concept found in the Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution, which says no one shall be "deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law" by the federal government. The Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1868, uses the same eleven words, called the Due Process Clause, to extend this obligation the the states. These words have as their central promise an assurance that all levels of American government must operate within the law ("legality") and provide fair procedures. 

 

 

Detaining citizens for two weeks without access to representation is not due process. Arresting people without reasonable suspicion of committing a crime is also not due process. In fact these examples are the exact opposite of due process, as ruled by courts for decades. I could go on but really, at some point the juice is simply not worth the squeeze.