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[cubsfan]

7 minutes ago, Luke said:

Wow. That was truly historic and to me it made perfect sense. Selensky comes into the oval office with the old Biden Era mindset and faces a stone-hard wall. Trump and Vance were on point, high respect here. There is no chance Selensky is winning, there is no chance he is winning back these territories without US support. Germany has a new government where the new coalition has no 2/3s majority to lower the debt break and increase military funding and the AFD+Left will block further war investments.

 

Game over. Selensky has to face reality, get the best deal he can, step down and then have new elections.

 

+1 - Bingo

[Luke]

Just now, cubsfan said:

Yes - that is the whole point. He needs the US or he needs Europe to solve this.

 

Now he knows the American position. 

All i can say is kudos to the trump administration. They are not willing to spend that much money with nothing to gain but more men dead. They are reestablishing diplomatic relations with russia, having phone calls, call for a cease-fire to stop the dying...finally someone doing something.

[cubsfan]

Here is the latest news:

 

Zelenksky begged to stay. No one shook his hand. He was ushered to the door of the White House and asked to leave.

 

You are witnessing high stakes negotiations in progress. Shit, you're trying to settle a war!

 

It's not for the faint of heart. Ball in Ukraine's court.

[lnofeisone]

1 hour ago, cubsfan said:

Unfortunately, a body deeply infected with cancer requires chemotherapy that is pleasant for no one. 

What a terrible analogy. What's happening now is more like someone going outside, grabbing 20 random people, and subjecting them to chemotherapy. Do they all need chemo? No. But as some on the board would say - we can fess up to errors and unplug the chemo.

 

Is weaponizing Gov't agencies OK by you? Don't you think Dems will ever win WH/Congress and eventually SCOTUS? Be careful what you wish for. 

[Grenville]

+ 1 ... nicely put altho not surprised in the least

 

19 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

Are you serious?  How deep in the cult are you?  

 

Ukranian leadership just supported him unanimously last week.  He doesn't have to sell them on anything. And he's not choosing to continue the war, he's choosing to defend his country from an invader.  Yes, Europe will bail him out. And he's already lost the support of the US. When Putin's puppet came in.  

 

To watch this made me truly embarrassed to be American for the first time ever. 

 

[lnofeisone]

50 minutes ago, flesh said:

I’m with dalio. Call me a trumper, I see the opposite of the will to do this on the other side and this is 80% of why I voted for trump this time. (I voted Hillary) All I want is what dalio wants. I see zero evidence the left will do it. I see the first chance since the mid 90s to get something done. The rest is noise to me. I have zero faith in the left to do it in any way. I see no evidence it can actually be accomplished in this climate without pissing everyone off. 
 

The real selling point is by reducing the deficit rates can come down and reduce interest costs by 100s of billions.. multiplier effects. If you haven’t read dalio in full on the subject recently it’s very informative. 
 

“There are three main types of levers that can be pulled to control the deficit: tax increases, spending cuts, and lower interest rates. To achieve the goal of stabilizing debt relative to income, it would take about a 11% increase in taxes, about a 12% cut in spending, or about a 3% cut in interest rates, all else being equal, if just one lever were used alone. Of course, any one of these numbers alone is way too large, so managing the adjustment will require a good combination of two or three of them.”

 

https://time.com/7221862/ray-dalio-cut-the-budget-deficit/

Crazy idea...grow the GDP. Now re-read what you posted with that in mind. 

[cubsfan]

3 minutes ago, lnofeisone said:

What a terrible analogy. What's happening now is more like someone going outside, grabbing 20 random people, and subjecting them to chemotherapy. Do they all need chemo? No. But as some on the board would say - we can fess up to errors and unplug the chemo.

 

Is weaponizing Gov't agencies OK by you? Don't you think Dems will ever win WH/Congress and eventually SCOTUS? Be careful what you wish for. 

 

Sounds like a whiney government worker with sour grapes.

 

The house cleaning will continue - and it will be painful for all - just like it was for so many with Biden in charge.  

 

Tough love.

[lnofeisone]

3 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Sounds like a whiney government worker with sour grapes.

 

The house cleaning will continue - and it will be painful for all - just like it was for so many with Biden in charge.  

 

Tough love.

LOL I'm very far from Gov't employee. Sh***y policies from parties impact my business. 

 

I'm sorry Biden hurt you. Doesn't mean the rest of the country needs to be brought down to make you feel better. 

[cubsfan]

1 minute ago, lnofeisone said:

LOL I'm very far from Gov't employee. Sh***y policies from parties impact my business. 

 

I'm sorry Biden hurt you. Doesn't mean the rest of the country needs to be brought down to make you feel better. 

 

Biden did nothing to me. No doubt he and his criminal family broke laws, enriched himself and wrecked many, many lives - in addition to getting lots of people killed with Afghanistan and the Sourthern Border.

 

Rest assured - my family is just fine.

[Luke]

20 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

Here is the latest news:

 

Zelenksky begged to stay. No one shook his hand. He was ushered to the door of the White House and asked to leave.

 

You are witnessing high stakes negotiations in progress. Shit, you're trying to settle a war!

 

It's not for the faint of heart. Ball in Ukraine's court.

Yeah. I think Selensky is in disbelief of his situation, frankly. He will now try to convince europe to increase stakes into this war. IMO Germany wont follow and can not looking at recent election results. Without germany europe wont do anything either. The time ticks...i wonder what these scenes at the white house will do to Ukrainian opinions on selensky, the biden era western media always wanted to portray a unified ukraine that 100% stood behind selenskies total defense at all costs and willing to sacrifice everyone to sustain what is unsustainable. Reality is, there are many people in ukraine that know this strategy wont work, he has no manpower, no weapons, defect infrastructure, couple of millions of people already left the country...rock and a hard place.

Edited February 28, 2025 by Luke

[cubsfan]

2 minutes ago, Luke said:

Yeah. I think Selensky is in disbelief of his situation, frankly. He will now try to convince europe to increase stakes into this war. IMO Germany wont follow and can not looking at recent election results. Without germany europe wont do anything either. The time ticks...i wonder what these scenes at the white house will do to Ukrainian opinions on selensky, the biden era western media always wanted to portray a unified ukraine that 100% stood behind selenskies total defense at all costs and willing to sacrifice everyone to sustain what is unsustainable. Reality is, there are many people in ukraine that know this strategy wont work, he has no manpower, no weapons, defect infrastructure, couple of millions of people already left the country...rock and a hard place.

 

Absolutely right. It's very good for this to have taken place on public TV. Both Ukraine's leadership and Europe's leadership understand what Zelensky is up against. He did the best he could without the Europeans taking this over. 

 

European countries get to decide if they want to continue the meat-grinder and take up the slack left by America - and lose their sons & daughters in Ukraine.

 

Hopefully, they will vote to stop all the useless killing.

[flesh]

27 minutes ago, lnofeisone said:

Crazy idea...grow the GDP. Now re-read what you posted with that in mind. 

Did you read dalio? Of course in an ideal world you’d you dl grow gdp massively. How much would you have to grow gdp to get our current 2t a year deficit down to 3% of gdp? Do the calculation at freezing govt costs and then do it again assuming the rate of govt spending minus Covid in the last few years. 
 

it’s simply not realistic. 
 

Seriously read the article. Or watch this 

 

 

If you can’t engage at this level and with the idea in mind that there’s is a timeline that’s not forever involved and have a real path forward to getting it done that doesn’t rely on Clintonian democrats 90’s era you aren’t serious. 
 

I’d happily vote for Clinton if he was saying and doing what he did in the 90s. Kamala is not that. 

 

Edited February 28, 2025 by flesh

[Luke]

6 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

Absolutely right. It's very good for this to have taken place on public TV. Both Ukraine's leadership and Europe's leadership understand what Zelensky is up against. He did the best he could without the Europeans taking this over. 

 

European countries get to decide if they want to continue the meat-grinder and take up the slack left by America - and lose their sons & daughters in Ukraine.

 

Hopefully, they will vote to stop all the useless killing.

The thing is, Selensky will knock at everyones door to try to get as much weapons, manpower, money as he can get to fight Russia and get back the territories. This is totally understandable from his perspective. The countries he is asking for help though not only face massive ressources they have to give away and harm local budgets but also face security risks, even more than the US which is far away from Europe. Selenskies incentives are to engage other countries military to fight russia together but he wont get that, id would be madness and WW3, as trump said it...lets see where he tries to get further funding or if he is finally forced to settle for a deal that could have been settled years ago  

[LC]

Congrats to the Russian shills - kompromat Trumpf really is your guy! 

 

We just witnessed a big ten steps back in global peace, democratic values, capitalist society, a western way of life, and American influence. Disgusting.

 

[cubsfan]

3 minutes ago, Luke said:

 he is finally forced to settle for a deal that could have been settled years ago  

 

Key line 

Edited February 28, 2025 by cubsfan

[cubsfan]

2 minutes ago, LC said:

Congrats to the Russian shills - kompromat Trumpf really is your guy! 

 

We just witnessed a big ten steps back in global peace, democratic values, capitalist society, a western way of life, and American influence. Disgusting.

 

 

Let the killing continue @LC

[Luke]

8 minutes ago, LC said:

Congrats to the Russian shills - kompromat Trumpf really is your guy! 

 

We just witnessed a big ten steps back in global peace, democratic values, capitalist society, a western way of life, and American influence. Disgusting.

 

But look at the facts:

1. Hundreds of thousands of mutilated or dead ukranian men.

2. No progress on the front although hundred of billions of USD spent and further dying

3. Majority of infrastructure destroyed and will be further destroyed

4. No air superiority, not enough men, not enough tanks, not enough drones, the list is long.

 

Lets say you would want "global peace, democratic values, western way of life", what is the next thing to do here?

 

Increase the amount of money and weapons given to them? What did it get them so far and how do you want to solve the man power problem? Russia hasnt even had a total mobilization while selensky is scratching the last men from the streets. Would you want your own military drive to Ukraine and also fight against russia? Then we not only would have a local conflict but a world war, maybe not only 1m+ dead but 10-20m. And for what? To get back a small peace of land because that would be more fair? If you follow that logic, why dont you want to send men to africa, to the kongo to free them from rebells where thousands are dying...reason is that conflicts shouldnt escalate into a bigger and bigger war. Sometimes you gotta make a cease fire-take a peace deal that is reasonable under the promise that nobody further will die...its not black and white here, the lifes of millions are at stake and Trump and Vance protect those while selensky wants further bloodshed until his goals are achieved.

Edited February 28, 2025 by Luke

[LC]

1 minute ago, cubsfan said:

 

Let the killing continue @LC

 

Exactly what King George said in 1775. 

 

 

[lnofeisone]

20 minutes ago, flesh said:

Did you read dalio? Of course in an ideal world you’d you dl grow gdp massively. How much would you have to grow gdp to get our current 2t a year deficit down to 3% of gdp? Do the calculation at freezing govt costs and then do it again assuming the rate of govt spending minus Covid in the last few years. 
 

it’s simply not realistic. 
 

Seriously read the article. Or watch this 

 

 

If you can’t engage at this level and with the idea in mind that there’s is a timeline that’s not forever involved and have a real path forward to getting it done that doesn’t rely on Clinton Ian democrats 90’s era you aren’t serious. 
 

I’d happily vote for Clinton if he was saying and doing what he did in the 90s. Kamala is not that. 

 

Yes, I read his work including principles, which I don't recommend.

Current GDP - 30T, assume 3% growth

Government collected funds - 5T

Effective tax rate - 16%

Government spending - 7T

Cutting spending 10% - 700B

 

If you fix spending and say no more. In 4 years, you'll offset your $700B. 

 

If you drive the economy into contraction, things get mighty ugly if you try to do cuts or raise tax, but I guess you will get the interest reduction when that interest rate goes down. So how much do you have to reduce interest to get to $700B?

 

 

Edited February 28, 2025 by lnofeisone
missed growth comment

[Luke]

That said, Putin has its own goals and isnt a "good guy" here either. He is a authoritarian brutalist and responsible for the death of many, accepting horrible military practices to protect russias interests. But at this point selensky is continueing what shouldnt be continued, his men are dying and he makes no progress. He has to cut a deal NOW and protect whats left, anything else is madness.

Edited February 28, 2025 by Luke

[cubsfan]

3 minutes ago, Luke said:

But look at the facts:

1. Hundreds of thousands of mutilated or dead ukranian men.

2. No progress on the front although hundred of billions of USD spent and further dying

3. Majority of infrastructure destroyed and will be further destroyed

4. No air superiority, not enough men, not enough tanks, not enough drones, the list is long.

 

Lets say you would want "global peace, democratic values, western way of life", what is the next thing to do here?

 

Increase the amount of money and weapons given to them? What did it get them so far and how do you want to solve the man power problem? Russia hasnt even had a total mobilization while selensky is scratching the last men from the streets. Would you want your own military drive to Ukraine and also fight against russia? Then we not only would have a local conflict but a world war, maybe not only 1m+ dead but 10-20m. And for what? To get back a small peace of land because that would be more fair? If you follow that logic, why dont you want to send men to africa, to the kongo to free them from rebells where thousands are dying...reason is that conflicts shouldnt escalate into a bigger and bigger war. Sometimes you gotta make a cease fire-take a peace deal that is reasonable under the promise that nobody further will die...its not black and white here, the lifes of millions are at stake and Trump and Vance protect those while selensky wants further bloodshed until his goals are achieved.

 

Don't confuse these guys with facts. It never works.

 

They want war, not peace.

[LC]

Just now, Luke said:

That said, Putin has its own goals and isnt a "good guy" here either. He is a authoritarian brutalist and responsible for the death of many, accepting horrible military practices to protect russias interests. But at this point selensky is continueing what shouldnt be continued, his men are dying and he makes no progress. He has to cut a deal NOW and protect whats left, anything else is madness.

 

 

If you don't stop this now then we are screwed. 

 

I hope you're not the type that thinks allowing Hitler to annex his way across eastern Europe in 1938 was a good thing to "prevent further violence". Remember how that worked out?

[LC]

You want an idea how to solve the troop issue? 

 

Take the millions of migrants trying to enter Europe. Stick guns in their hands and tell them to go kill some Russian bastards in Ukraine. Take back Ukranian borders, get them in NATO, and provide some path to European citizenship. 

[lnofeisone]

17 hours ago, lnofeisone said:

Lets reframe this a little. The rhetoric you get is how they want to save 60m, 6b, 60b. So far they've wasted way more than 6m (i think it is closer to 60m) sending the dumb give me 5 points email. The actual savings have yet to be demonstrated. Oh and the courts ruling that the govt now might need to bring all the people they fired and most likely with back pay. All while the government is losing qualified people, some of whom will find employment in the private industry, domestic or foreign. Some leadership. 

In completely unshocking news - https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/politics/us-intel-russia-china-attempt-recruit-disgruntled-federal-employees?

 

Congratulations. We played ourselves. 

[Spekulatius]

The USA is turning into an imperialist power. @kab60 Mark my words, but Trump is serious about Greenland too. He want wants to be the president who makes America larger on terms of land mass.

 

Imperialist powers think in terms of land mass first and # of people second . And imperialist likes to deal with other imperialist who think the same way. Thats now an imperialist trifecta of China, Russia, USA and soon India I think.

 

Those not on above list (Europe, Canada etc ) need to do something or they become colonies to be pushed around.

 

What a time to be alive.