NewbieD Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 initial reporting that anti-flu and anti-HIV drugs used in combination showing promise: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/thai-doctors-cure-coronavirus-patient-using-powerful-aids-drugs. this is of course very early but... Didn't Zerohedge just get banned from Twitter for spreading false info about this? Twitter is a censor hell, just like Facebook. They've become too big and governments use them like they use their other news outlets: propaganda and controlling their narrative of the truth. Luckily you can still visit websites directly: www.zerohedge.com If that ever gets stopped (there are precedents in the western world), there's always the old trusty VPN solution. True, but their income is probably down a lot from these bans. Majority of people can't be bothered to VPN. And when the majority are bothered enough to do it, that too could be targeted.
Liberty Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 initial reporting that anti-flu and anti-HIV drugs used in combination showing promise: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/thai-doctors-cure-coronavirus-patient-using-powerful-aids-drugs. this is of course very early but... Didn't Zerohedge just get banned from Twitter for spreading false info about this? Twitter is a censor hell, just like Facebook. They've become too big and governments use them like they use their other news outlets: propaganda and controlling their narrative of the truth. Luckily you can still visit websites directly: www.zerohedge.com If that ever gets stopped (there are precedents in the western world), there's always the old trusty VPN solution. Zerohedge is a Russian propaganda tool, as pointed out by people who used to write there: http://www.propornot.com/2016/10/zero-hedge.html
rogermunibond Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 Liberty +1 ZH is not the hill to die on w/r/t censorship or even Twitter censorship These battles were all litigated once before when urbanization/industrialization supercharged the printing press. See William Randolph Hearst.
Liberty Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 Liberty +1 ZH is not the hill to die on w/r/t censorship or even Twitter censorship These battles were all litigated once before when urbanization/industrialization supercharged the printing press. See William Randolph Hearst. If they had been banned because Twitter disagreed with their views, that would suck. But they've been banned because they went against the terms of service by doxxing a Chinese scientist and telling their millions of readers to "go talk to them" giving their phone number and address and implying that they created a bioweapon without any proof. That kind of mob-lynching tactic is pretty hard to defend.
rogermunibond Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 Lying, conflict, outrage, conspiracy, paranoia draw engagement from those attracted to it and from those attempting to dispute it. The best solution is shunning. Inattention/disregard is the best sanitizer.
Liberty Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 Lying, conflict, outrage, conspiracy, paranoia draw engagement from those attracted to it and from those attempting to dispute it. The best solution is shunning. Inattention/disregard is the best sanitizer. Once you understand the ZH is part of Russian's psyops arm, it makes a lot more sense. One way to weaken western democracies is to fan the flames of mistrust for their institutions, governments, financial systems, etc. (all that can be healthy to one level, but can be healthy when taken to the tin foil hat level and mixed in with fake news and cherry-picked data) It fits with their documented programs on facebook and elsewhere where they tried to create conflict by supporting radical groups on both the right and left. It's not about ideology so much as about creating division and chaos and weakening social cohesion and creating so much mental pollution that people can't tell what's true or not anymore (Gary Kasparov is quite good at explaining how the KGB and its descendents do this).
Guest Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 I wonder if CNN is also funded by Russians. They are certainly divisive. ;)
Liberty Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 I wonder if CNN is also funded by Russians. They are certainly divisive. ;) A duck has wings. Hey, this animal has wings, so it must be a duck.
muscleman Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 We need to stop talking about corona virus here. The Chinese Supreme Court just announced that spreading rumors regarding this virus may result in death penalty. https://new.qq.com/omn/20200203/20200203A0A52W00.html
ERICOPOLY Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 We need to stop talking about corona virus here. The Chinese Supreme Court just announced that spreading rumors regarding this virus may result in death penalty. https://new.qq.com/omn/20200203/20200203A0A52W00.html This article instead makes the claim that the Chinese Supreme Court believes that rumors are good because they encourage people to wear their masks and take other precautions: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/30/asia-pacific/science-health-asia-pacific/chinas-top-court-rebukes-police-virus-rumor-crackdown/#.XjhzWCSIYlQ
wachtwoord Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 We need to stop talking about corona virus here. The Chinese Supreme Court just announced that spreading rumors regarding this virus may result in death penalty. https://new.qq.com/omn/20200203/20200203A0A52W00.html Do you have Chinese nationality? Any way to get rid of it? :/
muscleman Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 We need to stop talking about corona virus here. The Chinese Supreme Court just announced that spreading rumors regarding this virus may result in death penalty. https://new.qq.com/omn/20200203/20200203A0A52W00.html This article instead makes the claim that the Chinese Supreme Court believes that rumors are good because they encourage people to wear their masks and take other precautions: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/30/asia-pacific/science-health-asia-pacific/chinas-top-court-rebukes-police-virus-rumor-crackdown/#.XjhzWCSIYlQ You have to look at the date of the news.
jasonchin Posted February 4, 2020 Posted February 4, 2020 Some positive news! https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health/thailand-sees-apparent-success-treating-coronavirus-with-drug-cocktail-1.4794001?fbclid=IwAR2UZXwps5fcGaWAsSVSlw1mKjsFXyu_BBBYm-Gr_jHt_y_jjVF32p4Y9wY
Guest Posted February 4, 2020 Posted February 4, 2020 I wonder if CNN is also funded by Russians. They are certainly divisive. ;) A duck has wings. Hey, this animal has wings, so it must be a duck. I didn't actually mean that I thought CNN was really funded by Russians (hence the face). I do mean that CNN is very divisive though.
Liberty Posted February 4, 2020 Posted February 4, 2020 I do mean that CNN is very divisive though. I never can tell with you. Yeah, US politics is very dysfunctional right now, which makes for dysfunctional media, and vice versa (both things feed on each other).
Guest Posted February 4, 2020 Posted February 4, 2020 I do mean that CNN is very divisive though. I never can tell with you. Yeah, US politics is very dysfunctional right now, which makes for dysfunctional media, and vice versa (both things feed on each other). haha no worries. I agree. The crazies are gaining steam on both sides.
gary17 Posted February 4, 2020 Posted February 4, 2020 i have a hard time understanding why the market did the 600 pt drop Friday and now with even more cases, the market seems to have completely forgotten about the virus... major news outlets are now focused on Iowa... virus is not front page anymore very emotional market!
Gregmal Posted February 5, 2020 Posted February 5, 2020 i have a hard time understanding why the market did the 600 pt drop Friday and now with even more cases, the market seems to have completely forgotten about the virus... major news outlets are now focused on Iowa... virus is not front page anymore very emotional market! It was actually a very easy judgment call with the market, I am just surprised the masses caught on as soon as they did and aw shucks wouldn't you know it we're back at the highs. But regarding the virus, it was really simple. The virus is more or less contained to China. China will suppress any major issue. The only way this gets out badly, is if there is some really, really, really bad uncontrollable Resident Evil style situation. Super unlikely. And with that contained and nothing of news or material purpose going on anywhere else in the world; back up we go! It was rather predictable.
Guest cherzeca Posted February 5, 2020 Posted February 5, 2020 there are not many felicitous benefits of a police state, but one must surely be to make sure that hundreds of millions of citizens self quarantine...or else
BG2008 Posted February 5, 2020 Posted February 5, 2020 there are not many felicitous benefits of a police state, but one must surely be to make sure that hundreds of millions of citizens self quarantine...or else Somewhat unrelated, one of the benefits of having a surveillance state is that criminals are more hesitant to commit crime. When I went back a couple years ago, people mentioned that robberies and theft have gone down quite a bit since they installed cameras everywhere. Of course, the US news sources will only report the emergence of a police state and not the fact that most everyday citizens enjoy the fact that they can catch child abductors and robbers rather quickly. Not that I would want to live there, but there is a some benefits to having a police state.
Cigarbutt Posted February 5, 2020 Posted February 5, 2020 there are not many felicitous benefits of a police state, but one must surely be to make sure that hundreds of millions of citizens self quarantine...or else Somewhat unrelated, one of the benefits of having a surveillance state is that criminals are more hesitant to commit crime. When I went back a couple years ago, people mentioned that robberies and theft have gone down quite a bit since they installed cameras everywhere. Of course, the US news sources will only report the emergence of a police state and not the fact that most everyday citizens enjoy the fact that they can catch child abductors and robbers rather quickly. Not that I would want to live there, but there is a some benefits to having a police state. Occasional incursion into the political meanders: Because of the apparent lack of concern related to unbound authority and the chilling caution that transpires from previous experiments. In my area, building a new hospital would take 20 to 25 years, with a good "business" case, which is highly inefficient and unacceptable. In China, there are social ingredients that allow building a hospital within a few days. This is both extraordinary for extraordinary circumstances and terribly unsettling for long term prosperity and the right to happiness. The German people were grateful to Hitler for what they saw as His economic recovery. If interested, read about Hjalmar Schacht to observe what happens when subordinates lose control of the narrative. ----)Back to the general discussion that has gone viral.
wachtwoord Posted February 5, 2020 Posted February 5, 2020 there are not many felicitous benefits of a police state, but one must surely be to make sure that hundreds of millions of citizens self quarantine...or else Somewhat unrelated, one of the benefits of having a surveillance state is that criminals are more hesitant to commit crime. When I went back a couple years ago, people mentioned that robberies and theft have gone down quite a bit since they installed cameras everywhere. Of course, the US news sources will only report the emergence of a police state and not the fact that most everyday citizens enjoy the fact that they can catch child abductors and robbers rather quickly. Not that I would want to live there, but there is a some benefits to having a police state. Crime by non-state aligned actors may go down. That doesn't compensate for the uptake in state-aligned crime however (which can no longer officially may be called crime).
Gregmal Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 Excellent summary of the situation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Wuhan_coronavirus_outbreak Any thoughts on how to prepare? Far from a 0% probability that the Coronavirus comes to the US. Face mask prices have gone way up online and supplies down in the US FYI. This was actually a good read and probably bolstered my belief in what I wrote earlier. Lets see what the confirmed numbers look like in a week or maybe a month. But so far, you have barely 100 total cases outside of China and 0 deaths. You also have a death count that is bolstered by people with other conditions and complications, which is always important to consider as well, even with the common flu. A week later, maybe some 300 total non China(although like 90% of regions close to China), and just 1 outside death(in Hong Kong).
wisowis Posted February 9, 2020 Posted February 9, 2020 Excellent summary of the situation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Wuhan_coronavirus_outbreak Any thoughts on how to prepare? Far from a 0% probability that the Coronavirus comes to the US. Face mask prices have gone way up online and supplies down in the US FYI. This was actually a good read and probably bolstered my belief in what I wrote earlier. Lets see what the confirmed numbers look like in a week or maybe a month. But so far, you have barely 100 total cases outside of China and 0 deaths. You also have a death count that is bolstered by people with other conditions and complications, which is always important to consider as well, even with the common flu. A week later, maybe some 300 total non China(although like 90% of regions close to China), and just 1 outside death(in Hong Kong). Vulnerable people are not the most likely to be traveling. As WHO said yesterday of the cases they've studied in China, "82 percent had mild infections, 15 percent had severe symptoms and 3 percent were classified as critical". For reference, influenza has a fatality rate of 0.1% and a lower transmission rate than nCoV.
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