S. Klarman Latest Investor Letter

[arcube]

Just wondering if anyone has access to the whole text of his latest letter. Much appreciated in advance.

[BRK7]

I'm also looking for a copy.  thanks!

[K2SO]

Don't have a copy of the letter (I'm also interested in reading it), but came across this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/06/business/dealbook/sorkin-seth-klarman-trump-investors.html

 

A Quiet Giant of Investing Weighs In on Trump

Andrew Ross Sorkin

DEALBOOK FEB. 6, 2017

 

Seth A. Klarman appears to fear that investors, charmed by talk of pro-growth policies, are not considering the full ramifications.

 

He is the most successful and influential investor you have probably never heard of. His writings are so coveted and followed by Wall Street that a used copy of a book he wrote several decades ago about investing starts at $795 on Amazon, and a new copy sells for as much as $3,500.

 

Perhaps that’s why a private letter he wrote to his investors a little over two weeks ago about investing during the age of President Trump — and offering his thoughts on the current state of the hedge fund industry — has quietly become the most sought-after reading material on Wall Street.

 

He is Seth A. Klarman, the 59-year-old value investor who runs Baupost Group, which manages some $30 billion.

 

While Mr. Klarman has long kept a low public profile, he is considered a giant within investment circles. He is often compared to Warren Buffett, and The Economist magazine once described him as “The Oracle of Boston,” where Baupost is based. For good measure, he is one of the very few hedge managers Mr. Buffett has publicly praised.

 

In his letter, Mr. Klarman sets forth a countervailing view to the euphoria that has buoyed the stock market since Mr. Trump took office, describing “perilously high valuations.”

 

“Exuberant investors have focused on the potential benefits of stimulative tax cuts, while mostly ignoring the risks from America-first protectionism and the erection of new trade barriers,” he wrote.

 

“President Trump may be able to temporarily hold off the sweep of automation and globalization by cajoling companies to keep jobs at home, but bolstering inefficient and uncompetitive enterprises is likely to only temporarily stave off market forces,” he continued. “While they might be popular, the reason the U.S. long ago abandoned protectionist trade policies is because they not only don’t work, they actually leave society worse off.”

 

In particular, Mr. Klarman appears to believe that investors have become hypnotized by all the talk of pro-growth policies, without considering the full ramifications. He worries, for example, that Mr. Trump’s stimulus efforts “could prove quite inflationary, which would likely shock investors.”

 

And he appears deeply concerned about a swelling national debt that he suggests could undermine the economy’s growth over the long term.

 

“The Trump tax cuts could drive government deficits considerably higher,” Mr. Klarman wrote. “The large 2001 Bush tax cuts, for example, fueled income inequality while triggering huge federal budget deficits. Rising interest rates alone would balloon the federal deficit, because interest payments on the massive outstanding government debt would skyrocket from today’s artificially low levels.”

 

Much of Mr. Klarman’s anxiety seems to emanate from Mr. Trump’s leadership style. He described it this way: “The erratic tendencies and overconfidence in his own wisdom and judgment that Donald Trump has demonstrated to date are inconsistent with strong leadership and sound decision-making.”

 

He also linked this point — which is a fair one — to what “Trump style” means for Mr. Klarman’s constituency and others.

 

“The big picture for investors is this: Trump is high volatility, and investors generally abhor volatility and shun uncertainty,” he wrote. “Not only is Trump shockingly unpredictable, he’s apparently deliberately so; he says it’s part of his plan.”

 

While Mr. Klarman clearly is hoping for the best, he warned, “If things go wrong, we could find ourselves at the beginning of a lengthy decline in dollar hegemony, a rapid rise in interest rates and inflation, and global angst.”

 

Mr. Klarman is a registered independent and has given money to politicians from both parties. He has donated to Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, John McCain and Rudolph W. Giuliani as well as Hillary Clinton, Cory Booker and Mark Warner.

 

While he has remained largely outside the public eye, Mr. Klarman surprised some of his friends and peers over the summer when he issued a statement after Mr. Trump criticized a judge over his Mexican heritage, saying he planned to support Mrs. Clinton: “His words and actions over the last several days are so shockingly unacceptable in our diverse and democratic society that it is simply unthinkable that Donald Trump could become our president.”

 

In his recent letter, he explained for the first time his decision to say something publicly. “Despite my preference to stay out of the media,” he wrote, “I’ve taken the view that each of us can be bystanders, or we can be upstanders. I choose upstander.”

 

From the letter, it is hard to divine exactly how Mr. Klarman is investing his fund’s money. His office declined to comment on the letter, which I obtained from a source. His fund currently has more than 30 percent of its funds in cash. He has lost money in only three of the past 34 years.

 

What investors say publicly and what they do in the markets can be different things. Mr. Buffett campaigned publicly against Mr. Trump, but he has nevertheless invested in the market since his election — about $12 billion, according to a recent disclosure. George Soros, who also actively campaigned against Mr. Trump, bet — wrongly so far — that the stock market would fall; he lost about $1 billion.

 

Most hedge funds have found themselves on the losing side of trades over the past several years, a point Mr. Klarman addressed in his letter. Noting that hedge fund returns have underperformed the indexes — he mentioned that hedge funds had returned only 23 percent from 2010 to 2015, compared with 108 percent for the Standard & Poor’s index — he blamed the influx of money into the industry.

 

“With any asset class, when substantial new money flows in, the returns go down,” Mr. Klarman wrote. “No surprise, then, that as money poured into hedge funds, overall returns have soured.”

 

He continued, “To many, hedge funds have come to seem like a failed product.”

 

The lousy performance among hedge funds and the potential for them to go out of business or consolidate, he suggests, may become an opportunity.

 

Perhaps the most distinctive point he makes — at least that finance geeks will appreciate — is what he says is the irony that investors now “have gotten excited about market-hugging index funds and exchange traded funds (E.T.F.s) that mimic various market or sector indices.”

 

He says he sees big trouble ahead in this area — or at least the potential for investors in individual stocks to profit.

 

“One of the perverse effects of increased indexing and E.T.F. activity is that it will tend to ‘lock in’ today’s relative valuations between securities,” Mr. Klarman wrote.

 

“When money flows into an index fund or index-related E.T.F., the manager generally buys into the securities in an index in proportion to their current market capitalization (often to the capitalization of only their public float, which interestingly adds a layer of distortion, disfavoring companies with large insider, strategic, or state ownership),” he wrote. “Thus today’s high-multiple companies are likely to also be tomorrow’s, regardless of merit, with less capital in the hands of active managers to potentially correct any mispricings.”

 

To Mr. Klarman, “stocks outside the indices may be cast adrift, no longer attached to the valuation grid but increasingly off of it.”

 

“This should give long-term value investors a distinct advantage,” he wrote. “The inherent irony of the efficient market theory is that the more people believe in it and correspondingly shun active management, the more inefficient the market is likely to become.”

 

How Mr. Klarman wants investors to behave in the age of Trump remains an open question. But here’s a hint: At the top of his letter, he included three quotations. One was attributed to Thomas Jefferson: “In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock.”

[Guest]

For what it's worth, Klarman has been against index funds since at least he wrote Margin of Safety. He's been wrong so far. I don't disagree with him that index funds can distort valuations for included securities. However, index funds are much better than most other investment vehicles. I don't see how anyone can argue that. Are they better than the top money managers - no but still better than the vast majority of other options.

[eclecticvalue]

His letters will always be hard to come by. Since his organization scouts the internet for any mention or posting of his letters. And I believe he has a strict policy with his investor base about this.

[TwoCitiesCapital]

His letters will always be hard to come by. Since his organization scouts the internet for any mention or posting of his letters. And I believe he has a strict policy with his investor base about this.

 

Some hedge funds have taken to watermarking their letters and keeping track of which clients get which watermarked copies to identify leaks.

 

Makes it difficult to share to the broader public if there is a good chance you'll be identified and stop receiving them as well.

[arcube]

Thank you.

[vox]

Some excerpts are available here:

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/bauposts-seth-klarman-investor-letter-on-donald-trump-markets-2017-2

[LC]

You're kind of a pussy if you don't want your thoughts read publicly.

Or a great marketer.

[racemize]

Anyone heard what his returns were for 2016?  Trying to update my tracking sheet.

[LR1400]

Love Klarman but I can't ever recall reading anything positive from him. He seems to be all doom and gloom.

[Guest]

race, this only thing I could find for 2016 was this:

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-13/klarman-s-baupost-said-to-post-4-return-in-first-half-rebound

 

I think they had a pretty good amount in natural gas so I'd assume 2016 was pretty solid.

 

 

[racemize]

Yeah, I found that one, I'm just trying to get a decent number for the year to put in my spreadsheet.  Baupost is by far the hardest to get every year.

[oddballstocks]

You're kind of a pussy if you don't want your thoughts read publicly.

Or a great marketer.

 

This.  I saw a video where the interviewer asked why he didn't re-release his book and make it available.  He said he liked that it was selling at a premium, it showed it's value.

 

Another perspective.  I heard someone say if his book was $20 it would be considered a run of the mill investing book not worth seeking out.  But since it is so rare and expensive people think it's special.

 

Bottom line, the guy understands marketing better than most.

[randomep]

You're kind of a pussy if you don't want your thoughts read publicly.

Or a great marketer.

 

This.  I saw a video where the interviewer asked why he didn't re-release his book and make it available.  He said he liked that it was selling at a premium, it showed it's value.

 

Another perspective.  I heard someone say if his book was $20 it would be considered a run of the mill investing book not worth seeking out.  But since it is so rare and expensive people think it's special.

 

Bottom line, the guy understands marketing better than most.

 

But one can easily get it in electronic form for free :)

 

[LC]

Every article about klarman starts with, "and he wrote a book which sells for thousands!". Isn't it great when a story about extremely logical people begin with a logical fallacy?

[LC]

And it's not just potential investors he is marketing towards. His methods increase client retention by making it more "painful" to exit, as they would be giving up a seemingly "rare" commodity.

[Jurgis]

I did not get impression that Klarman is great marketeer. I got more of an impression that he does not give a f. Yeah, my book is selling for $3K, I could reprint, but who gives a f. I got impression he was also rather bland about his book rather than pumping it as some kind of miracle.

 

Is his fund even looking for more investors? Isn't it closed? I never got a feeling he cared about getting more investors either.

 

 

[fareastwarriors]

Baupost letters were always hard to come...It's a not new policy because of this administration...

[Sunrider]

You're kind of a pussy if you don't want your thoughts read publicly.

Or a great marketer.

 

I'm sorry LC, but anyone who criticizes the President of the United States to his business partners and then doesn't want the public to get wind of it is a coward who is unfit to be called an American citizen, in my opinion.

 

Every American is granted the right to the freedom of speech but he's crossing a line if he thinks he can shit talk the President behind his back and then still expect to receive his share of the economic rewards of the President's tax plan, which is no doubt the true reason he doesn't want his letter published and out in the open. Americans know that enemies of the President are unpatriotic and he probably doesn't want his business to be crushed by the regulators because of his absurd political beliefs.

 

What's wrong with talking shit behind the President's back? Isn't he and others entitled to their own opinions? You can't criticize the President and still be patriotic? I'm not defending Klarman and taking stand against the President. 

 

One more point, his letters were always hard to come...It's a not new policy because of this administration...

 

+1

 

(The president is not, fortunately, all there is to the US. He's just a guy who has been elected to discharge the duties of the office of the POTUS. As with all holders of public office, let's hope he does his job well and carries out his duties with respect to the laws and constitution of the country as well as the system of checks and balances that has been put in place for a reason. Wisdom appears to be too much to hope for with this particular guy, but we should all wish that he finds that in the not so distant future. Oh, and it's not 'his' tax cut. At the very least is that of his administration and the lawmakers who vote for it. More comprehensively, it is that of the entire society, which chooses, through its representatives, to enter into that particular trade-off between tax, spending, debt, growth, etc.)

[Paarslaars]

I'm sorry LC, but anyone who criticizes the President of the United States to his business partners and then doesn't want the public to get wind of it is a coward who is unfit to be called an American citizen, in my opinion.

 

So this is what happens to investors when patriotism wins over rationality.

 

Being fully honest to your business partners while avoiding to take unnecessary consequences for those opinions is a smart thing to do.

But if your opinion is that it is unamerican to be smart, well no objections here  ;D

[SharperDingaan]

The man is very smart, & plays his own game; the 30 year return, & the $ in his fund, do the talking for him.

 

Live in the fortress, & its hard not to drink at least some of the cool-aid; yet we all know that being a lemming is generally a very bad idea. A few sips of vinegar go a long way, and there is nothing 'un-american' to capitalizing on a good idea - wherever it comes from.

 

Trump plays the unpredictability game, & plays it well, but it's a zero-sum game.

We have an entire options market developed for just such markets, & it does very well.

Play the fish.

 

SD   

 

[valuefinder0525]

Yeah, I found that one, I'm just trying to get a decent number for the year to put in my spreadsheet.  Baupost is by far the hardest to get every year.

 

"Baupost® posted high single-digit gains across all partnerships for the year ended December 31."

[Guest]

By the way 30% cash sounds like a lot but for Baupost but it isn't. He was sending money back to investors a few years ago due to lack of "opportunities."

 

http://www.institutionalinvestorsalpha.com/Article/3285746/Seth-Klarmans-Baupost-to-Return-4-Billion-to-Investors.html

[gfp]

Obviously that point of view exists in the United States, but I do believe - and correct me if I am wrong - that Scott Hall is 'in character'...

 

anyone who criticizes the President of the United States to his business partners and then doesn't want the public to get wind of it is a coward who is unfit to be called an American citizen, in my opinion.

 

Why are so many American's utterly incapable of grasping the 1st Amendment?