Russia-Ukrainian War - Political

[cubsfan]

More on talks:

 

[John Hjorth]

More insults and threats from POTUS against NATO allies :

 

The Times and The Sunday Times [March 7^th 2025] : Donald Trump threatens NATO if members don't pay more . 

 

Here in Denmark, we have had our fair share of soldiers coming home in coffins from following USA in the war against terror, primary in the Middle East, after article 5 in the NATO pact was triggered by USA just after 9/11, and our share of veterans, with ruined lifes also.

 

I'm speechless.

[cubsfan]

200,000 dead WW2 Americans in Europe - and now you demand more. 

 

Message received.

[John Hjorth]

10 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 - and now you demand more. 

 

Mike [ @cubsfan ],

 

Where have I done that? I have only - indirectly - suggested that your POTUS likely will fare better going forward not insulting and threatening allies.

Edited Friday at 03:13 PM by John Hjorth

[cubsfan]

4 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

Mike [ @cubsfan ],

 

Where have I done that? I have only - indirectly - suggested that you POTUS likely will fare better going forward not insulting and threatening allies.

 

It's quite an obvious insult with a intentional lack of acknowledgment of American sacrifice.

 

In addition, you failed to acknowledge the constant barrage of insults from European and Canadian leaders.   

But I get it - it's always the bully American and the brutish American President.

 

[John Hjorth]

Mike [ @cubsfan ],

 

Come on. You are talking here about 200,000 americans dead related to to WW2. Have you forgot Pearl Habour and who decided it to be so? It was the incumbent POTUS at that time, wasen't it?

 

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Edit :

 

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

 

Edited Friday at 03:49 PM by John Hjorth

[Fundmanagerthrwawy]

58 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

200,000 dead WW2 Americans in Europe - and now you demand more. 

 

Message received.

Only one nation has used Article 5. European men and women were killed because America couldn't keep its planes safe. 

God forbid Europe gets some assistance back after 20 years in the Middle East. 

[Fundmanagerthrwawy]

37 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

Mike [ @cubsfan ],

 

Come on. You are talking here about 200,000 americans dead related to to WW2. Have you forgot Pearl Habour and who decided it to be so? It was the incumbent POTUS at that time, wasen't it?

 

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Edit :

 

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

 

That's rather embarrassing for the biggest and strongest economy in the world.  

[Sweet]

I don’t get some of these comments.

 

NATO has been mutually beneficial for both continents.  America has shouldered much of the financial burden for a very long time and it’s right that Europeans pay more now and in the future.

 

But let’s also acknowledge that Europe is paying more to Ukraine than the US, and when the new commitments are included it will be substantially more.

 

American contribution to Europe during world war 2 far exceeds anything Europe committed in the fight against terror - that’s a fact.  And yet it is also true that America was forced into that world war 2, whereas European NATO countries entered the Middle East because the US asked it to.  But why does this all this matter.  It’s not a game of counting deaths.

Europe must do more - end of story.  And it is.

 

[John Hjorth]

15 minutes ago, Sweet said:

I don’t get some of these comments.

 

NATO has been mutually beneficial for both continents.  America has shouldered much of the financial burden for a very long time and it’s right that Europeans pay more now and in the future.

 

But let’s also acknowledge that Europe is paying more to Ukraine than the US, and when the new commitments are included it will be substantially more.

 

American contribution to Europe during world war 2 far exceeds anything Europe committed in the fight against terror - that’s a fact.  And yet it is also true that America was forced into that world war 2, whereas European NATO countries entered the Middle East because the US asked it to.  But why does this all this matter.  It’s not a game of counting deaths.

Europe must do more - end of story.  And it is.

 

Sure, @Sweet,

 

Your last sentence is the conclusion. We have to approach this forward looking.

 

I'm perhaps just very annoyed by POTUS talking about USD 350 billion here related to US support to Ukraine. It's such a round of *BS* - everytime, and it does not get anymore correct by POTUS constantly repeating it.

 

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Edit :

 

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114121576367163341

 

Edited Friday at 05:05 PM by John Hjorth

[Sweet]

17 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

Sure, @Sweet,

 

Your last sentence is the conclusion. We have to approach this forward looking.

 

I'm perhaps just very annoyed by POTUS talking about USD 350 billion here related to US support to Ukraine. It's such a round of *BS* - everytime, and it does not get anymore correct by POTUS constantly repeating it.

 

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Edit :

 

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114121576367163341

 

Yeh we know where he got that 350 billion from.  It’s fake news.

[Spekulatius]

What has WW2 to do with this? It’s probably more interesting to envision what would have happened if Trump would had been elected president in 1936 or 1940. I think the world would look unrecognizable compared to now.

[cubsfan]

1 hour ago, Spekulatius said:

What has WW2 to do with this? It’s probably more interesting to envision what would have happened if Trump would had been elected president in 1936 or 1940. I think the world would look unrecognizable compared to now.

 

The dreaded Russians & Comrade Stalin saved your homeland @Spekulatius

 

Where is your gratitude?

 

[mcliu]

Random question but why does Europe even need US in the Ukraine proxy war?
 

Europe has a far higher population, GDP and better weapons compared to Russia. Europe also has nuclear weapons..

 

Also, I thought Ukraine isn’t a NATO member?

[cubsfan]

3 hours ago, John Hjorth said:

 

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114121576367163341

 

 

Trump won't dare do that - he's in Putin's back pocket!  He a Russian asset!

[Sweet]

2 hours ago, Spekulatius said:

What has WW2 to do with this? It’s probably more interesting to envision what would have happened if Trump would had been elected president in 1936 or 1940. I think the world would look unrecognizable compared to now.

Saw this the other day, you reminded me of it:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CkcsKuMKooo

 

The creators, Led by Donkeys, are from the U.K. and are basically a propaganda arm of the Labour Party (left wing).  But they can be funny.

[Sweet]

4 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Trump won't dare do that - he's in Putin's back pocket!  He a Russian asset!

Russia has pretty much adapted to the tariffs, some more is like water off a ducks back.

[Xerxes]

5 hours ago, John Hjorth said:

Mike [ @cubsfan ],

 

Come on. You are talking here about 200,000 americans dead related to to WW2. Have you forgot Pearl Habour and who decided it to be so? It was the incumbent POTUS at that time, wasen't it?

 

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Edit :

 

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

 

not to get involve in this heated back and forth, but :

 

while it was Pearl Harbour that pulled U.S. into the war on Dec 7th, less known fact is that it was Germany declaration of war on the U.S. on Dec 11th that brought U.S. into the war with Germany. 
 

The arm’ length convoy war was raging in Atlantic, but with open hostility Hitler thought the good Grand Admiral Donitz can finally fight his unrestricted submarine war, without one hand tied in the back. It was also to entice the Japanese to invade Manchuria that never happened. 
 

It would be a good thought experiment to imagine what would happened if Hitler didn’t declare war. The American battle cry was “kill japs”, imagine the horror of the public, had FDR chosen to divert resources to fight Old Europe’ war, when Germany had not even been in open conflict with the U.S. 
 

Hitler solved FDR problems for him on Dec 11th

 

 

 

 

Edited Friday at 08:55 PM by Xerxes

[Spekulatius]

 

42 minutes ago, Sweet said:

Russia has pretty much adapted to the tariffs, some more is like water off a ducks back.

There is literally zero trade with Russia at this point so what are tariffs going to do? 10% or 100% or 1000% of zero are still zero.

 

Its not the first time Trump bring up tariffs with Russia - what a joke.

Putin won’t give a damn, that’s for sure.

Edited Friday at 08:58 PM by Spekulatius

[Sweet]

5 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

 

There is literally zero trade with Russia at this point so what are tariffs going to do? 10% or 100% or 1000% of zero are still zero.

 

Its not the first time Trump bring up tariffs with Russia - what a joke.

Putin won’t give a damn, that’s for sure.

Yeh, it’s pointless and toothless but it plays well.

[Spekulatius]

Eutelsat working to replace  Starlink In Ukraine.

IMO Starlink is done in Europe since they can’t rely on it when it really counts.

[Sweet]

5 hours ago, Spekulatius said:

Eutelsat working to replace  Starlink In Ukraine.

IMO Starlink is done in Europe since they can’t rely on it when it really counts.

It hasn’t been pulled yet, has it?  If they do then yeh.

[Parsad]

17 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 

It's quite an obvious insult with a intentional lack of acknowledgment of American sacrifice.

 

In addition, you failed to acknowledge the constant barrage of insults from European and Canadian leaders.   

But I get it - it's always the bully American and the brutish American President.

 

 

I think the barrage of insults is solely for one President and not the American people...get the facts straight!

 

And the funny thing is, it's not just American sacrifice and bodies over there in Europe...a lot of countries sacrificed for freedom and liberty.  And now Trump wants to reward one of today's most repugnant opponents of freedom and liberty.

 

Cheers!

[Parsad]

13 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 

The dreaded Russians & Comrade Stalin saved your homeland @Spekulatius

 

Where is your gratitude?

 

 

They were also trying to save their own homeland.  Germany wasn't going to leave Russia alone.  

 

Your President is denying the fact that Russia has been attacking Ukraine since 2014...right through the first term of the Trump Presidency and continuing through the second term.  

 

He's an effing idiot!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

12 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 

Trump won't dare do that - he's in Putin's back pocket!  He a Russian asset!

 

He's doing this because Putin is making him look bad and this is making securing mineral rights more difficult.  Cheers!