Russia-Ukrainian War - Political

[dwy000]

13 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

Read and weep brothers:

 

72% OF VOTERS SUPPORT THE EXISTENCE OF A U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCY FOCUSED ON EFFICIENCY INITIATIVES

 

In his first month in office, President Donald Trump’s approval rating is at 52%, with voters most satisfied with his job on immigration, reducing the cost of the government, and returning America to its values.

 

“People are taking a generally positive wait-and-see attitude for Trump but have really reassessed their attitudes toward Biden, Harris, and the Democrats, taking a much harsher, more negative attitude,” said Mark Penn, Co-Director of the Harvard CAPS / Harris poll.

 

72% of voters say they want Ukraine to negotiate a settlement with Russia instead of winning the war. 

 

• 67% of voters say the current level of U.S. federal government debt is unsustainable.
• 83% of voters favor reducing government expenditures over increasing taxes, and 77% say a full examination of all government expenditures is necessary.
• 70% of voters say government expenditures are filled with waste, fraud, and inefficiency (Democrats: 58%; Republicans: 78%; Independents: 75%), and 69% support the goal of cutting $1 trillion of government expenditures.
• 60% of voters think DOGE is helping make major cuts in government expenditures.

 

 

 

Tough message from American citizens regarding current US President's policies.

 

Hate the President all you want - they LOVE his policies.

 

Oh, well.

 

https://harvardharrispoll.com/press-release-february-2025/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

According to your beloved Fox News, that poll is overwhelmingly off of every other major polling firm.  Like miles. And there's nothing in it about Ukraine.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/surprising-new-poll-numbers-released-trumps-performance-so-far-white-house.amp

Edited February 25 by dwy000

[cubsfan]

8 hours ago, Grenville said:

 

at the end of the day why come on a message board if you don’t have any doubts or openness. If you know how everything works why waste your time on the board…

 

Yeah, say what you like - quite a few have changed my mind on issues - @changegonnacome @Ulti@Sweet@Dinar@Xerxes  for example.

 

I try to be very critical about what I write, as well as what I read.

 

I'll put you down as dubious.

[cubsfan]

5 hours ago, John Hjorth said:

Posting this - primarily for our American friends here on CofB&F - just to show how European sentiment is in motion by now, - from Kyiv, yesterday :

 

 

 

 

That's a wonderful clip. All I learned is that European leadership has finally woken up, which was necessary 2 years ago when the war started to look like a stalemate. Much of this carnage may have been avoided - at a huge cost to Ukraine. But facing reality 2 years latter has been extremely costly.

 

Nice clip

[John Hjorth]

28 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

That's a wonderful clip. All I learned is that European leadership has finally woken up, which was necessary 2 years ago when the war started to look like a stalemate. Much of this carnage may have been avoided - at a huge cost to Ukraine. But facing reality 2 years latter has been extremely costly.

 

Nice clip

 

We [the US and Europe] need to get along, Mike [ @cubsfan ],

 

It's actually that simple. Everything else will provide nothing but chaos and armageddon. Europe reaction late, sure, but not too late, by  now.

[cubsfan]

1 minute ago, John Hjorth said:

 

We [the US and Europe] need to get along, Mike [ @cubsfan ],

 

It's actually that simple. Everything else will provide nothing but chaos and armageddon. Europe reaction late, sure, but not too late, by  now.

 

I have never disputed that. Such is the nature of negotiation and compromise. 

No one is happy.

[Fundmanagerthrwawy]

I can't believe that President Krasnov has just voted with Russia to drive through the Ukraine war measure. Disgusting. 

[John Hjorth]

The mere existence here on CofB&F of the topic US franchises at risk to me, personally, & in the end, and eventually : Prevails the developments of the future to the better.

[Hektor]

On 2/24/2025 at 5:43 PM, Parsad said:

Nothing about Zelenskyy being a dictator.  That there is corruption in Ukraine...yes...but nothing about being a dictator.  That's a new Trump talking point being repeated by the faithful!  Cheers!

Take him at his word at your own risk 

 

 

[Xerxes]

Well played Brits 

A second state visit invitation by HRM

 

Someone should tell Trump that Charles III is also head of state of Canada.  

 

 

 

 

[John Hjorth]

Ohh, my God!, what just happened at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue!

[Pelagic]

What a mess this minerals deal press conference in the oval turned into. Vance going on the attack, Trump taking digs at Biden and Obama, Zelenskyy trying to hold his own, the Ukrainian ambassador doing her best . Certainly one of the most chaotic press conferences to be live streamed from the Oval. 

 

 

 

[John Hjorth]

@Pelagic,

 

That  is certainly appropriate in your post.

[cubsfan]

11 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

@Pelagic,

 

That  is certainly appropriate in your post.

 

History in the making.

[John Hjorth]

Absolutely perfect disaster, really :

 

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114082877976878390

 

[cubsfan]

2 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

Absolutely perfect disaster, really :

 

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114082877976878390

 

 

Not in the least.  You are witnessing high stakes negotiations in process.

 

Did you think it was going to be EASY to settle a war between 2 parties that HATE each other?

 

Zelensky is fucked.  He either comes around with reasonable terms or Europe can step in.

 

John - get your European leadership to step in now - and they can be heroes.

IF they can make a peace deal happen - Europe will be heroes forever.

 

Get them to work.

 

[cubsfan]

@John Hjorth  Your buddy Zelensky now has a long plane ride home to thing about 

 

1) What can I sell the Ukrainian leadership on?

2) Do I want to continue this war?

3) Will Europe bail my ass out?

4) Do I wish to lose the support of the United States?

 

He is NOT in a good position - BUT the ball is absolutely in his court.

[dwy000]

2 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

@John Hjorth  Your buddy Zelensky now has a long plane ride home to thing about 

 

1) What can I sell the Ukrainian leadership on?

2) Do I want to continue this war?

3) Will Europe bail my ass out?

4) Do I wish to lose the support of the United States?

 

He is NOT in a good position - BUT the ball is absolutely in his court.

Are you serious?  How deep in the cult are you?  

 

Ukranian leadership just supported him unanimously last week.  He doesn't have to sell them on anything. And he's not choosing to continue the war, he's choosing to defend his country from an invader.  Yes, Europe will bail him out. And he's already lost the support of the US. When Putin's puppet came in.  

 

To watch this made me truly embarrassed to be American for the first time ever. 

[John Hjorth]

Mike [ @cubsfan ],

 

I'm dead sure the telephone lines already are glowing in the whole Europe by now after the first freeze and shock after this happening.

 

- - - o 0 o - - -

 

And, yes, as you said, : Never, ever! loose your temper when there are high stakes in the game! - And that goes for all three gentlemen involved in the quarrel.

 

Rare minerals deal now down the drain!

Edited Friday at 06:53 PM by John Hjorth

[Luke]

1 minute ago, cubsfan said:

@John Hjorth  Your buddy Zelensky now has a long plane ride home to thing about 

 

1) What can I sell the Ukrainian leadership on?

2) Do I want to continue this war?

3) Will Europe bail my ass out?

4) Do I wish to lose the support of the United States?

 

He is NOT in a good position - BUT the ball is absolutely in his court.

Wow. That was truly historic and to me it made perfect sense. Selensky comes into the oval office with the old Biden Era mindset and faces a stone-hard wall. Trump and Vance were on point, high respect here. There is no chance Selensky is winning, there is no chance he is winning back these territories without US support. Germany has a new government where the new coalition has no 2/3s majority to lower the debt break and increase military funding and the AFD+Left will block further war investments.

 

Game over. Selensky has to face reality, get the best deal he can, step down and then have new elections.

[Luke]

@cubsfan Is the ball in selenskies court? He basically has to choose between a rock and a hard place. He can decide but his power is tiny.

[cubsfan]

1 minute ago, John Hjorth said:

Mike [ @cubsfan ],

 

I'm dead sure the telephone lines already are glowing in the whole Europe by now after the first freeze and shock after this happening.

 

- - - o 0 o - - -

 

And, yes, as you said, : Never, ever! loose your temper when there are high stakes in the game! - And that goes for all three gentlemen!

 

You missed everything @John Hjorth

 

When you get to an impasse on terms - elapsed time is what is needed.

 

You walk - each party needs to rethink their issues and reassess IF THERE IS A DEAL TO MAKE.

 

Nothing helps you like elapsed time when you are so far apart.

 

So why did this blowup happen right now??

 

I'll tell you why - because up until now - there was NO RISK for anyone.

The point of greatest risk is when an agreement HAS to be signed. When you are at that stage, now all the nicietes are over - because - you are delivering on all the "nice talk".

 

Zelensky is NOT dealing from a position of strength - he blew it - but that's perfectly ok - there

is so much at stake - he needs to rethink what terms he is in line to accept.

 

 

 

 

[Luke]

6 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

Are you serious?  How deep in the cult are you?  

 

Ukranian leadership just supported him unanimously last week.

Nah, Selensky appeared disrespectful, basically would like a total war against russia if we are all being honest. Trump obviously knows he wont risk any more US citizens or US money for this madness. 

6 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

He doesn't have to sell them on anything. And he's not choosing to continue the war, he's choosing to defend his country from an invader. 

Selenskies sits in an office while soon 1m+ ukranian men are dead and mutiliated. Its delusional to want further escalation against russia, a nuclear power.

6 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

Yes, Europe will bail him out. And he's already lost the support of the US. When Putin's puppet came in.  

No way, i think germany wont be able to do so anymore looking at election results.

6 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

To watch this made me truly embarrassed to be American for the first time ever. 

Gotta disagree, this was democracy pure. This is what the majority in the US voted for to see, have Trump and Vance take position and defend US interests.

[cubsfan]

13 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

Are you serious?  How deep in the cult are you?  

 

Ukranian leadership just supported him unanimously last week.  He doesn't have to sell them on anything. And he's not choosing to continue the war, he's choosing to defend his country from an invader.  Yes, Europe will bail him out. And he's already lost the support of the US. When Putin's puppet came in.  

 

To watch this made me truly embarrassed to be American for the first time ever. 

 

I certainly don't care what you think DWY - there is a war going on with millions dying - so if you can't take watching a historic negotiation taking place - don't watch.

 

Save your vitriol for the Europeans and Biden continuing this travesty without trying to end it.

Edited Friday at 07:03 PM by cubsfan

[cubsfan]

3 minutes ago, Luke said:

@cubsfan Is the ball in selenskies court? He basically has to choose between a rock and a hard place. He can decide but his power is tiny.

 

Yes - that is the whole point. He needs the US or he needs Europe to solve this.

 

Now he knows the American position. 

[cubsfan]

7 minutes ago, Luke said:

Wow. That was truly historic and to me it made perfect sense. Selensky comes into the oval office with the old Biden Era mindset and faces a stone-hard wall. Trump and Vance were on point, high respect here. There is no chance Selensky is winning, there is no chance he is winning back these territories without US support. Germany has a new government where the new coalition has no 2/3s majority to lower the debt break and increase military funding and the AFD+Left will block further war investments.

 

Game over. Selensky has to face reality, get the best deal he can, step down and then have new elections.

 

+1 - Bingo