cwericb Posted May 24 Posted May 24 15 hours ago, Parsad said: No, they don't. Just like most Iranians aren't terrorists and want the death of Jews. It's the extreme groups that believe that stuff...although the extremists have been growing and growing everywhere thanks to Trump, Bibi, the Iranian Regime and other leaders that think they are morally righteous. The people who believe their propaganda or the propaganda resonates with them on some things, sadly gave them the power to do what they are doing and spew the hate they are spewing. Remove those leaders and the world will be a better place! Cheers! Right on! And you can see examples of their cultists on this board. The one thing those leaders all have in common is their ability to influence their followers to believe the hate and lies spewed by those leaders. And, their followers will attempt to justify those distorted ideas and 'facts' by quoting information indirectly provided by those same leaders. It is mind boggling how so many reasonably intelligent people can be susceptible to the propaganda spewed by these divisive leaders. Are they cultists? Well look at how some posters here will emulate Trump's arrogance in attacking dissenters personally when they have no facts to present. So they attack the poster when they have no facts to which to defer. Look at how some of those same posters will emulate Trump's habit by referring to others by childish names. "Pocahontas", "Crooked Joe", "Governor Carney", etc etc. Then look at how the cult tries to sell that Trump is winning his personal war with Iran. But.... 1) No regime change. 2) No recovery of enriched uranium. 3) No agreement on giving up nuclear ambitions. 4) No "obliteration" of nuclear Iran's nuclear facilities. 5) No reduction of Iran's thousands of missiles and drones and the ability to produce thousands more. 6) One success? Trump succeeded in raising the price of petroleum and all things affected by that increase.
cubsfan Posted May 24 Posted May 24 (edited) 7 minutes ago, cwericb said: Look at how some of those same posters will emulate Trump's habit by referring to others by childish names. "Pocahontas", "Crooked Joe", "Governor Carney", etc etc. The usual response from you while calling those you disagree with "cultists". LOL Just say what you really mean "I'm better than you and your opinion doesn't matter". Edited May 24 by cubsfan
Blake Hampton Posted May 24 Posted May 24 So Warsh has secured his position as god over the financial system, and Trump no longer has any pull over him. Right after Trump finished his remarks, which of course consisted of him spewing bullshit, and right before Warsh's first official speech, Trump gave him the good ol' "yank-shake," by pulling Warsh in close and throwing him off balance. Warsh towards the end of his speech: "These duties are now mine, Mr. President, because of the trust you have placed in me." Warsh gave Trump a similar handshake after the speech concluded.
Blake Hampton Posted May 24 Posted May 24 You fucking MAGA morons fell in love with a mob boss. I think Warsh is gonna spank his lily-white ass.
Parsad Posted May 24 Posted May 24 6 hours ago, changegonnacome said: Trump's Iran 'deal' is going to have a lot of critics......those trying to tear it down (Bibi/AIPAC) or use it as a told you so/political points scoring moment (DNC).....one thing that barely anybody will say (assuming he pulls this off) is that not many, if any President's in my lifetime after an Iran level mistake would have the strategic independence/flexibility, autonomy from the donor class & screw the critics attitude to get themselves out of a quagmire like this once they got themselves into it. The standard Presidential playbook, as evidenced by history, is to double down on failure hoping that victory might be just around the corner (it rarely/never is). Countless American lives have been lost and countless trillions have been have been incinerated this way. Kudos to President Trump for recognizing the reality of the moment and deciding to do the truly hard thing which is eat a bunch of crow and turn back here rather than continuing to wade into the big muddy. Usually, it isn't the same President that gets you out of the mess, who made the mess. Yes, kudos for recognizing the risk and backtracking...but boos for his eventual parade of how this was a "win" for him and his administration! Cheers!
Maverick47 Posted May 24 Posted May 24 27 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said: Warsh towards the end of his speech: "These duties are now mine, Mr. President, because of the trust you have placed in me." That is, until I cross you, and fail to lower interest rates as quickly as you desire…and then the Dept of Justice in the form of Jeannine Pirro will be sicced on me with any number of Trumped up charges….
Spekulatius Posted May 24 Posted May 24 (edited) Pretty good analysis of the thinking related to NATO and the WH: pretty good analysis Edited May 24 by Spekulatius
cubsfan Posted May 24 Posted May 24 (edited) On 5/23/2026 at 12:57 PM, Sloanes Teddy said: I don't expect the transactions related to Anti-weaponization fund to be transparent, but in the unlikely event that there is financial accountability, how many people convicted by a jury will receive payment? 5? 50? 100? Will jury conviction be the standard for payment, or can anyone who feels mistreated be eligible? The number will likely be in the hundreds. 1600 protesters were convicted - the bulk of them on misdemeanor charges of "trespassing" and "parading" - all NON-VIOLENT offenses. Several had charges upgraded with "terrorist enhancements" and "sedition" - adding years to their sentences. All were denied bail and many held in pre-trial detention for up to 2 years. You start with the most egregious - like the Veteran that was given a sentence of 17 years. What was his crime? Shaking a metal fence (temporary protective barrier). That's it. What was he charged with? Destruction of government property. He was denied bail. Held for 2 years in pre-trial detention. Had no prior arrests. Charges were upgraded to "conspiracy to commit sedition" - adding many years to his base sentence. All charges were non-violent. So you start with the easy non-violent persecutions and work your way up until you run out of money. That was the Biden police state, set up to insure no one EVER protested Democratic election results again and punish American citizens thinking they could exercising their First Amendment rights. Although hundreds of innocent lives were ruined by the DOJ's reign of terror - a few may be able to reclaim their reputations. Edited May 25 by cubsfan
LC Posted May 24 Posted May 24 More Trump BS that we already knew: https://open.substack.com/pub/cmarmitage/p/donald-trump-jr-and-eric-trump-are?utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=web Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump told buyers that World Liberty was decentralized, so that no insider could control a buyer’s tokens, while company insiders held a concealed function that let them freeze any buyer’s tokens. Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump directed seventy-five percent of the venture’s revenue to a Trump family entity while ordinary buyers who held the token lost roughly eighty percent of their money. The conduct matches the conduct in every case named above. Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump have not been investigated, have not been charged, and have not appeared as defendants in any court.
Parsad Posted May 25 Posted May 25 Since Doonesbury and Dilbert aren't around any more. One of my favorite comic strips in the daily paper...Pearls Before Swine! Cheers!
changegonnacome Posted May 25 Posted May 25 1 hour ago, Parsad said: but boos for his eventual parade of how this was a "win" for him and his administration I hear you - but obviously it’s too much to expect a public mea culpa from an 80 year-old man with a litany of failed marriages, lost elections and businesses bankrupted by his own mismanagement to all of sudden start ‘owning’ his mistakes….we should be thankful for small graces…Trump’s small grace is a deeply pragmatic streak & an ability to lie without shame about things big and small….turns out it’s a good recipe to exit a stupid war of choice that never should have been begun in the first place.
Parsad Posted May 25 Posted May 25 9 minutes ago, changegonnacome said: I hear you - but obviously it’s too much to expect a public mea culpa from an 80 year-old man with a litany of failed marriages, lost elections and businesses bankrupted by his own mismanagement to all of sudden start ‘owning’ his mistakes….we should be thankful for small graces…Trump’s small grace is a deeply pragmatic streak & an ability to lie without shame about things big and small….turns out it’s a good recipe to exit a stupid war of choice that never should have been begun in the first place. Like Greg, as long as the stocks I own go up 10-20-40% in the ensuing days/weeks after he makes the announcement, I'll be happy for now! I'm pretty much fully invested in my trading accounts with tons of LEAPs, so if Trump wants to make the good times keep rolling (especially the LEAPs I own)...great! Cheers!
Gregmal Posted May 25 Posted May 25 1 hour ago, Parsad said: Like Greg, as long as the stocks I own go up 10-20-40% in the ensuing days/weeks after he makes the announcement, I'll be happy for now! I'm pretty much fully invested in my trading accounts with tons of LEAPs, so if Trump wants to make the good times keep rolling (especially the LEAPs I own)...great! Cheers! True dat. Trump is beholden to very predictable things. Often, the more unstable the situation seems, the more predictable his course of action becomes. Once hes gone, people will long for the days of a president who gave us these trading ops.
Parsad Posted May 25 Posted May 25 Why more vaccine research is needed...not less...not undermined! Cheers! https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ebola-spreads-across-congo-as-flights-halted-supplies-run-low-003054553.html
Sloanes Teddy Posted May 25 Posted May 25 15 hours ago, cubsfan said: The number will likely be in the hundreds. 1600 protesters were convicted - the bulk of them on misdemeanor charges of "trespassing" and "parading" - all NON-VIOLENT offenses. Several had charges upgraded with "terrorist enhancements" and "sedition" - adding years to their sentences. All were denied bail and many held in pre-trial detention for up to 2 years. You start with the most egregious - like the Veteran that was given a sentence of 17 years. What was his crime? Shaking a metal fence (temporary protective barrier). That's it. What was he charged with? Destruction of government property. He was denied bail. Held for 2 years in pre-trial detention. Had no prior arrests. Charges were upgraded to "conspiracy to commit sedition" - adding many years to his base sentence. All charges were non-violent. So you start with the easy non-violent persecutions and work your way up until you run out of money. That was the Biden police state, set up to insure no one EVER protested Democratic election results again and punish American citizens thinking they could exercising their First Amendment rights. Although hundreds of innocent lives were ruined by the DOJ's reign of terror - a few may be able to reclaim their reputations. I can't abide by anyone being pardoned for violence. Receiving 'compensation' for said violence is beyond absurd.
Sweet Posted May 25 Posted May 25 22 hours ago, Spekulatius said: Irans track record remains intact, it seems: if nothing happens the Iran uranium not sure what the point was. If it was to just destroy Irans navy - job done I suppose. Still seems like they messed up. 16 hours ago, Spekulatius said: Pretty good analysis of the thinking related to NATO and the WH: pretty good analysis Rubio really is excellent. America is lucky to have him. I hope one day he is president. There isn’t anybody on either side of the aisle I rate as highly.
ourkid8 Posted May 25 Posted May 25 (edited) Once the deal gets officially ratified along with guarantees provided by China - Iran will become a regional superpower. I’ll have to do the calculations of the additional cash coming into the country without sanctions + along with maritime service fees - it will be very significant! The people of Iran will be the big winners! Latest update: (sorry for the caps) -IRAN WILL BE ABLE TO CHARGE A FEE IN HORMUZ -WILL HAVE SANCTIONS LIFTED ON THE SALE OF THEIR OIL -WILL HAVE BILLIONS UNFROZEN -THE WAR IN LEBANON WILL END In return: -Iran WILL MAKE PROMISES TO CONCEDE ON THEIR NUCLEAR PROGRAM -REMOVE THEIR ENRICHED URANIUM IN A FUTURE AGREEMENT Edited May 25 by ourkid8
Gregmal Posted May 25 Posted May 25 2 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: Once the deal gets officially ratified along with guarantees provided by China - Iran will become a regional superpower. I’ll have to do the calculations of the additional cash coming into the country without sanctions + along with maritime service fees. The people of Iran will be the big winners! Latest update: (sorry for the caps) -IRAN WILL BE ABLE TO CHARGE A FEE IN HORMUZ -WILL HAVE SANCTIONS LIFTED ON THE SALE OF THEIR OIL -WILL HAVE BILLIONS UNFROZEN -THE WAR IN LEBANON WILL END In return: -Iran WILL MAKE PROMISES TO CONCEDE ON THEIR NUCLEAR PROGRAM -REMOVE THEIR ENRICHED URANIUM IN A FUTURE AGREEMENT Well, yes. If Iran decided to stop being a societal menace, they would be welcomed into the modern world and allowed to prosper LOL
Spekulatius Posted May 25 Posted May 25 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ourkid8 said: Once the deal gets officially ratified along with guarantees provided by China - Iran will become a regional superpower. I’ll have to do the calculations of the additional cash coming into the country without sanctions + along with maritime service fees. The people of Iran will be the big winners! Latest update: (sorry for the caps) -IRAN WILL BE ABLE TO CHARGE A FEE IN HORMUZ -WILL HAVE SANCTIONS LIFTED ON THE SALE OF THEIR OIL -WILL HAVE BILLIONS UNFROZEN -THE WAR IN LEBANON WILL END In return: -Iran WILL MAKE PROMISES TO CONCEDE ON THEIR NUCLEAR PROGRAM -REMOVE THEIR ENRICHED URANIUM IN A FUTURE AGREEMENT This is dilusionary. What guarantees do you think China will provide here? They really haven’t provided much to Venezuela and even Russia is supported only on a transactional basis with their war on Ukraine. Asia , China and India are most exposed to SOH blockade so they want this to be over with sooner rather than later. In my opinion k a deal will be made regarding the SOH that both sides can declare as a victory. the nuclear issue will be deferred and likely remains unresolved as the Iranian would be stupid to give away leverage permanently for something that Trump rips up on a whim. Edited May 25 by Spekulatius
cubsfan Posted May 25 Posted May 25 2 hours ago, Sloanes Teddy said: I can't abide by anyone being pardoned for violence. Receiving 'compensation' for said violence is beyond absurd. Yup, it's good to have Trump as President. After the 2 tier justice system enacted by Biden/Garland - it's good to fight fire with fire. Violent felons in sanctuary cities or rioting for George Floyd?? Give em a pass - or cash less bail and a slap on the wrist for hundreds. Trespass in the Capitol to protest? Lock 'em up and throw away the key. 100% conviction rate in D.C. No mercy.
LC Posted May 25 Posted May 25 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Spekulatius said: In my opinion k a deal will be made regarding the SOH that both sides can declare as a victory. the nuclear issue will be deferred and likely remains unresolved as the Iranian would be stupid to give away leverage permanently for something that Trump rips up on a whim. Agreed, and because Iran is negotiating with Trump (who has established a precendent for empty promises and reneging on international deals), they can just as easily agree to a prolonged enriched uraniam removal process, then balk/back out after a period of time. Long term I don't see any wins for the US here. In exchange for short-term/temporary setbacks to Iran's military, we accept a step-up in global oil prices and an entrenched Iran military leadership. Bad deal IMO. Edited May 25 by LC
Sloanes Teddy Posted May 25 Posted May 25 33 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Yup, it's good to have Trump as President. After the 2 tier justice system enacted by Biden/Garland - it's good to fight fire with fire. Violent felons in sanctuary cities or rioting for George Floyd?? Give em a pass - or cash less bail and a slap on the wrist for hundreds. Trespass in the Capitol to protest? Lock 'em up and throw away the key. 100% conviction rate in D.C. No mercy. Nearly every sentence you share is subjective. That's totally fine--this is the interwebs. But don't think otherwise.
cubsfan Posted May 25 Posted May 25 3 minutes ago, Sloanes Teddy said: Nearly every sentence you share is subjective. That's totally fine--this is the interwebs. But don't think otherwise. It's just wonderful to have your approval.
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