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[ourkid8]

17 minutes ago, LC said:

 

 

 

What were these losers at UNICEF thinking, trying to provide clean water to poor, oppressed people? 

Real winners let people die of dehydration! 

 

@LC Thanks for sharing, these type of messages really break my heart. This is a group of individuals who have absolutely nothing and being systemically killed for being born a Palestinian. 
 

@Parsad  This is the kinder and gentler Israelis that you must be referring to. 
 

I hope I am wrong, but in 15-20 years we will look back and say we wish we’d done more to support the Palestinians before they were wiped out in what history called a genocide.

Edited April 18 by ourkid8

[Parsad]

1 minute ago, ourkid8 said:

 

@Parsad  This is the kinder and gentler Israelis that you must be referring to. 
 

I hope I am wrong, but in 15-20 years we will look back and say we wish we’d done more to support the Palestinians before they were wiped out in what history called a genocide.

 

No, I'm referring to the type that were butchered on October 7th...an actual attempted genocide!  Funded by your friends in the Iranian regime!  Cheers!

[cwericb]

1 hour ago, TwoCitiesCapital said:

Hormuz is closed again? Didn't we decale victory weeks ago? Has no one told the Iranians? 

 

Yes, of course. That is how we add to the number of wars Trump has ended. I think we are up to 3 - perhaps 4 - times he has ended this war alone.

 

Do you get credit for ending a war if you started the same war? And how many credits can you get for stopping the same war?

 

Gotta be a shoe in for the next Peace Prize. 

Edited April 18 by cwericb

[ourkid8]

2 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

No, I'm referring to the type that were butchered on October 7th...an actual attempted genocide!  Funded by your friends in the Iranian regime!  Cheers!

I have nothing more to add. 

[LC]

11 minutes ago, ourkid8 said:

@LC Thanks for sharing, these type of messages really break my heart. This is a group of individuals who have absolutely nothing and being systemically killed for being born a Palestinian. 
 

@Parsad  This is the kinder and gentler Israelis that you must be referring to. 
 

I hope I am wrong, but in 15-20 years we will look back and say we wish we’d done more to support the Palestinians before they were wiped out in what history called a genocide.

 

Here in the West most people support Israel with little historical knowledge or context, so I try to post evidence to the contrary. 

 

But don't mistake me: Iran / Hamas etc are just as guilty.

 

Back in the 90s we all wished the bloods and crips just wiped each other out. Can't say I feel dissimilar here...

[ourkid8]

21 minutes ago, LC said:

 

Here in the West most people support Israel with little historical knowledge or context, so I try to post evidence to the contrary. 

 

But don't mistake me: Iran / Hamas etc are just as guilty.

 

Back in the 90s we all wished the bloods and crips just wiped each other out. Can't say I feel dissimilar here...

 

How about in the West Bank where there is no Hamaas/Iran?  By your logic, that should be Utopia since Hamaas/Iran is just as guilty.  Spoiler alert, its a similar situation as well. - The only commonality in both scenarios (Gaza/West bank) is Israelis.    

 

 

Edited April 18 by ourkid8

[John Hjorth]

4 hours ago, John Hjorth said:

I test rest my case in this topic for today. 

 

I  hereby take that back. [4 hours it lasted, I confess, not as good as Trumps 17 hours eternal openness of SOH!]

 

4 hours ago, frommi said:

Maybe move this thread somewhere where its less visible and one is not tempted to click on it on a daily basis?

 

That is an awesome idea, it could easily be moved to the forum category 'Registration & Terms Of Use', where there is no traffic, because it's not possible to post there at all!

Edited April 18 by John Hjorth

[73 Reds]

31 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

No, I'm referring to the type that were butchered on October 7th...an actual attempted genocide!  Funded by your friends in the Iranian regime!  Cheers!

You write as if Oct. 7 was the first such instance.  It was the worst such instance but these acts have been going on for 50 years.  I would encourage anyone here offering opinions to research a little history.  Most of the opinions here reflect a clear lack of any understanding.  Constructive and civil conversations can be had but not with those living in a bubble as to how and why we are in this place today.  It is sad that people who obviously have never stepped foot in or near Israel seem to have all the answers and facts about a conflict that long outdates most of you and one in which you had entirely no interest until Trump decided to do something about it.  To your credit you, Sanjeev seem the most grounded in terms of perspective even while allowing stupidity and worse to reign free here in this thread.  

[LC]

26 minutes ago, ourkid8 said:

How about in the West Bank where there is no Hamaas/Iran?  By your logic, that should be Utopia since Hamaas/Iran is just as guilty

 

Both parties can be shitty, jointly or separately. 

[Spekulatius]

5 hours ago, dwy000 said:

When you put incompetent people in charge.  Although taking on the Pope and Catholic Church while quoting Pulp Fiction thinking its the Bible seems par for the course here. 

I think Hegseth knew what he was quoting but his listeners probably didn’t. That and the Trump Jesus portraits are basically just mocking and trolling Christians.

 

Not that I mind as I am atheist, but it’s sort of fun watching all the twist and turns mocking their core voters.

[John Hjorth]

22 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

You write as if Oct. 7 was the first such instance.  It was the worst such instance but these acts have been going on for 50 years.  I would encourage anyone here offering opinions to research a little history.  Most of the opinions here reflect a clear lack of any understanding.  Constructive and civil conversations can be had but not with those living in a bubble as to how and why we are in this place today.  It is sad that people who obviously have never stepped foot in or near Israel seem to have all the answers and facts about a conflict that long outdates most of you and one in which you had entirely no interest until Trump decided to do something about it.  To your credit you, Sanjeev seem the most grounded in terms of perspective even while allowing stupidity and worse to reign free here in this thread.  

 

I hear you, @73 Reds,

 

The history about it is absolutely terrible, but what do you think about how to solve this friggin' mess causing the loss  of thousands of lifes? Is there a solution to it?

[dwy000]

21 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

I think Hegseth knew what he was quoting but his listeners probably didn’t. That and the Trump Jesus portraits are basically just mocking and trolling Christians.

 

Not that I mind as I am atheist, but it’s sort of fun watching all the twist and turns mocking their core voters.

Im atheist too - which is why it's so funny.  I would bet that Hegseth didn't know it wasn't a direct Bible quote and thought Pulp Fiction was quoting an actual passage. All performative.  

[73 Reds]

1 minute ago, John Hjorth said:

 

I hear you, @73 Reds,

 

The history about it is absolutely terrible, but what do you think about how to solve this friggin' mess causing the loss  of thousands of lifes? Is there a solution to it?

An attempt at a solution (which has not been made before) is playing out.  No one can accurately predict whether, when or to what extent it will be successful or for how long it might be.  The underlying issue is not hard to grasp; a radical, religious ideology that does not value human life vs. a free, democratic society that has been subject to hate and persecution for its entire existence.  Both cannot exist in the same place.  The State of Israel has been under constant attack since the day it was founded in 1948.  Iran and its proxies are merely the latest iteration of a present enemy and threat.  Most of Israel's neighbors wisely gave up trying to attack and destroy it (because they always failed and failed miserably) and there are now good relations between Israel and Egypt/Jordan and the UAE.  Israel would like to have good relations with Lebanon to its North but the Lebanese government has been completely powerless to rid itself of Hezbollah (an Iran proxy) which occupies much of Southern Lebanon near the Israel border.  The irony is, Lebanon would very much prefer that Hezbollah disappear or be destroyed and unfortunately the Lebanese citizens in cities like Beirut and nearby towns and villages are often victims of the fighting.  Without question, regime change is the best chance for a lasting peace and for the citizens of Iran.  The US has expressly stated that regime change is not its goal but realistically it has to be an unspoken objective.  Regardless whether Trump makes a deal with Iran or not, Israel is going to continue to protect itself and purse its stated objective of regime change in Iran.  Because of the solid relationship between Israel and the US (and their present respective leaders) Israel is willing to sit back and allow Trump and the US to pursue some kind of "deal".  Personally, I don't think any such deal will last but politics (i.e. short-term thinking) drives current decisions more than what is ultimately best for the region and humanity.  Yet make no mistake; Israel has reached a point where it will no longer tolerate Iran and its proxies so with or without US involvement, it is absolutely intent on achieving its objective of eliminating the Iranian regime.  Clearly Israel has the means and intelligence.  Its only a matter of time and continued will of its people, who I believe are strongly united on that front.  As an aside, a family member was a victim of Oct. 7.  It doesn't get more personal than that.

[John Hjorth]

Thank you for taking the time to elaborate thoroughly here for your part, @73 Reds.

[Parsad]

1 hour ago, 73 Reds said:

You write as if Oct. 7 was the first such instance.  It was the worst such instance but these acts have been going on for 50 years.  I would encourage anyone here offering opinions to research a little history.  Most of the opinions here reflect a clear lack of any understanding.  Constructive and civil conversations can be had but not with those living in a bubble as to how and why we are in this place today.  It is sad that people who obviously have never stepped foot in or near Israel seem to have all the answers and facts about a conflict that long outdates most of you and one in which you had entirely no interest until Trump decided to do something about it.  To your credit you, Sanjeev seem the most grounded in terms of perspective even while allowing stupidity and worse to reign free here in this thread.  

 

No one said that October 7th was the first such instance. 

 

I'm just trying to remind Ourkid8 that it happened recently...that the attempted genocide of Jews isn't some long ago experience during the Second World War...and why Israel is justified in seeking some revenge against the perpetrators.  

 

Also, thank you for the backhanded compliment...that's probably the nicest knife ever put in my back!    Cheers!

[Parsad]

53 minutes ago, Spekulatius said:

I think Hegseth knew what he was quoting but his listeners probably didn’t. That and the Trump Jesus portraits are basically just mocking and trolling Christians.

 

Not that I mind as I am atheist, but it’s sort of fun watching all the twist and turns mocking their core voters.

 

Anyone think Colin Jost's imitation of Hegseth is not actually an imitation anymore?  We are living in an action movie about the end of the world.  Every stereotypical character from that movie has come to life! 

 

Quentin Tarantino and Jerry Bruckheimer have teamed up to direct and produce this thing and Larry Ellison funded it through the media empire he now controls!  If Godzilla starts rampaging through the Ginza...I'm going to put myself into a mental facility!  Cheers!

[Spekulatius]

From the Bible movie:

 

Edited April 18 by Spekulatius

[LC]

Italy's Meloni breaks with Trump over war in Iran, pope

https://www.dw.com/en/italys-meloni-breaks-with-trump-over-war-in-iran-pope/a-76827787

 

 

Trump's response:

[ourkid8]

1 hour ago, 73 Reds said:

As an aside, a family member was a victim of Oct. 7.  It doesn't get more personal than that.

 

 

I’m sorry to hear about your loss. I know we don’t see eye to eye on many political issues but we have to be human first. 

[John Hjorth]

1 minute ago, ourkid8 said:

I’m sorry to hear about your loss. I know we don’t see eye to eye on many political issues but we have to be human first. 

 

That's format, @ourkid8,

 

A token of your incentives, while basis for discussion may differ among those still discussing here.

[cubsfan]

US & Israel loading up to hit Iran again.

[lnofeisone]

8 hours ago, ourkid8 said:

“Good behavior by each party begets good behavior in return.” - Warren Buffett 

 

If Israel is kinder and gentler then the other side will be as well. However, that is yet to be seen. 

Israel was kinder and gentler. It allowed Gazans to come and work within its periphery, only to be repaid with Oct 7th. The people who were murdered by Gazans on Oct 7th were amongst the biggest peacenicks in Israel, with some being involved in helping treat Gazan sick children (see Vivian Silver). So where is this "kindler and gentler" side of Gaza? Oh, right. 

 

Seriously, why do you even bother? Your position is clearly anti-Israel. There is absolutely nothing Israel and Israelis will do to appease you other than disappear from the map. What's the purpose of your posturing? Just own it. 

[moatrep]

Just the normal strategy on the region is to try to block the waterways to get power. Israel is the only one commited to protect the waterways. Without them the world is in jeopardy. There is too many people on the world, we cannot survive without Israel. The morals can be discussed, but usually the side that supports Iran or Palestine forget all the history of their side. Last time I checked Israel has blocked like >20k missiles coming from Iran's proxies. That would be a genocide if not for Israel's defences. This people support a genocide just because they were weak to not be able to make their intentions come through. The US has to step before it is too late. China should also step, Europe, Africa, all the world needs Israel. Only Russia, who arguably rigs all this dictatorships benefits.

 

All this goverments are no better than gangs, their people don't have any vote or political power, they are assets in their criminal balance sheet. And each one that dies is more and more money for this rats, a number that they can show around to get more funding and victimise to get support and politcal strenght. Well documented that they provoque and build their military infrastructure to maximize their civilian loses, they get their paycheck for killing their own people.

Edited April 19 by moatrep

[lnofeisone]

14 hours ago, ourkid8 said:

Here arw more images in regards to then greater Israel program where Israel is planning to steal more land. - The world sees what Israelis are doing! 
 

Benjamin Netanyahu at the UN holding a map labeled “The Curse” (with highlighted territories) and another showing a vision of regional changes.

 

Netanyahu presenting a “New Middle East” map during a UN speech, where critics noted the absence of distinct Palestinian territories (implying integration into Israel).

 

Other examples include officials like Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich associated with similar maps.

 

I am not anti-Jewish. To show that, I shared pictures of Jews in Iran mourning the death of Auatollah Khamenei and said ‘God bless their souls’. There are also many Jews in NY and elsewhere who strongly oppose the polities of Israel as it currently stands. I am against the political movement that seeks a Jewish state in that form. 
 

OK - so you plastered a few images. I'm still waiting to see the images of soldiers with the fake badge you shared. I'm guessing those pictures won't be coming because they don't exist but you keep on trying to double down. So, sure, let's do this.

 

You clearly didn't bother to hear/read the speech and context on "The Curse." If you had, you wouldn't have posted it.

 

Sure, Smothrich, the absolute right-wing nut of Israel, whom most of Israel rejects, had the flag. No denying that. And after that Israel had to go into overdrive to make sure Egypt and Jordan don't get annoyed. That's like me finding the most extreme version of someone in Syria or Iran and saying "see, that's what represents all of people or Iran and Syria."

 

[lnofeisone]

8 hours ago, ourkid8 said:

 

How about in the West Bank where there is no Hamaas/Iran?  By your logic, that should be Utopia since Hamaas/Iran is just as guilty.  Spoiler alert, its a similar situation as well. - The only commonality in both scenarios (Gaza/West bank) is Israelis.    

 

 

No Hamas in West Bank? Where do you get your news. Hamas is very much in the West Bank with some serious presence in Nablus and Jenin (with some support in Hebron and Tulkarm). Since Oct 7th, Israel arrested nearly 1k Hamas terror suspects in West Bank. Even Hassan Yousef (one of Hamas cofounders) was arrested in Ramallah. 

 

I'm all for reigning the extremist settlers in WB and charging them according to the law of the land but please don't make stuff up and assume that people on the board are not knowledgeable about the region.