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[dwy000]

3 minutes ago, ourkid8 said:

 

Let's be direct: Zionists bear significant responsibility for dragging the United States into this regional mess. They expected American involvement and resources but showed no willingness to commit their own ground forces in a full invasion.

 

As Americans, this should concern you. Nations and peoples throughout history have sacrificed enormously to protect their sovereignty—yet here, substantial U.S. blood, treasure, and strategic focus have been expended in defense of Israeli interests. Israel functions as a heavily subsidized forward base and partner in the Middle East, not an equal ally obligated to mirror U.S. sacrifices. Policy should reflect that reality: conditional support based strictly on American interests, not unconditional backing.
 

and I rest my case.

[Parsad]

3 hours ago, ourkid8 said:

 

Remember we heard this story before, Iraq supposedly had weapons of mass destruction. 

The night before the war, Iran AGREED to give up their nuclear material. It was never about nukes  if it was, this war would never have started because leadership at the time was against any nuclear weapons. 
 

Now on the other hand with new leadership, I can promise you Iran will race to build a nuclear program. This has been an absolute epic failure for US/Israel as they both accomplished nothing. 

 

You guys all like to reinvent history! 

 

Iran refused to let IAEA inspectors in before the 12 day war in June of 2025, thus why the war started in the first place.  Iran then agreed to zero stockpiling of enriched uranium and to convert existing stores into energy grade before the U.S. bombing in February 2026. 

 

They never agreed to give up their nuclear material!  Even now in their 10 point proposal they don't want to give up their nuclear material!  So exactly what have they learned other than to keep lying to everyone?!

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/un-nuclear-watchdog-says-its-unable-to-verify-whether-iran-has-suspended-all-uranium-enrichment

 

https://thehill.com/policy/international/5759623-iran-nuclear-deal-stockpiling/

[Parsad]

2 hours ago, ourkid8 said:

China guaranteed Iran that US will accept numerous conditions in their 10 point plan.  
 

If you guys didn’t notice, as a gesture of trust as Iran doesn’t trust / speak with US- china vetoed a UN security resolution on the straight of Hormuz earlier today.   
 

I am surprised none of you guys noticed the news!  - it seems everyone here is full on Zionist agenda! 
 

https://apnews.com/article/un-iran-us-strait-hormuz-bahrain-resolution-640e644b57df5c762ed9c57ef87b0427

 

 

 

Yup, you are gone now for 30 days!  I warned you and everyone else about using bigoted language.

[Sweet]

10 hours ago, Sweet said:

Ray Dalio again with almost certainly another idiotic macro call:

 

“Ray Dalio says the Iran conflict could evolve into the next world war.”

 

He’s been wrong a thousand times now.

Ray Dalio - maybe best contrarian indicator in the market.   The RaD indicator.

[ICUMD]

One thing apparent in these times is you can't be weak and vulnerable.  You can't 'Trust' in friendship.   

 

USA through Trump has attacked Venezuela and now Iran to achieve control of their oil reserves.  He has repeatedly called Canada the 51 state. That's 3 out of the top 4 oil reserve nations. 

 

The very superpower that is supposed to be upholding law and order in the world is literally wielding their power for personal gain.   Sorta like a cop that pulls you over and steals your car at gunpoint. Maybe he shoots you too.

 

Literally everyone is rethinking their alliances.   I'm sure all the Arab states are.  They are also rethinking their military including Canada.

 

When the leader of the 'free' world, partners with your worst enemy, then bombs 1500 sites in your country and then threatens the very existence of your civilization, only possible through dropping of a nuclear bomb on you.   Which Trump can do unilaterally by the way...  What would you do?

 

Pretty sure most rationale people would say,  I need nuclear armaments! 

 

Munger said to invert. 

Well,  what would have happened if the IRGC did not have the military arsenal to fight back?  

 

Idk.  Maybe check out Gaza or Lebanon for an idea. Two non nuclear countries btw.

[Castanza]

6 hours ago, Parsad said:

 

Yup!  And actually that would be in the best interest of the Iranian people going forward.  A peace-loving country interested in economic growth and prosperity for its citizens, instead of a country controlled by a regime intent on destructive behavior.  Cheers!

Yup, the UAE has the model to follow. I think it’s obvious that there are too many economies of scale affected by this conflict that something will have to happen to ensure peace moving forward. Not a fan of how it started. Not who leads the charge moving forward (clearly not over), or holds the reins long term. The regime still lives and will be a problem. But at the end of the day, money talks!  

[phil_Buffett]

Ceasefire already broken.

Trump did the biggest mistake to trust Israel. This thing is so complex and an absolute desaster for him and the world. iran vs isreal, the middle east conflict for decades. It blows up right now in our faces. two stubborn parties. in my opinion trump will escalate soon again, maybe this afternoon, tomorrow morning? he maybe have to go nuclear, this thing will never ends otherwise. and this is the scariest part. since 18 years iam investing, always optimistic, but this whole thing scares me very hard.   Maybe its time to go all in berkshire?

[cwericb]

9 hours ago, Parsad said:

 

US wasn't going to use nukes!  They could blow up everything with their B-2 bombers and missiles...only a moron would even consider nukes. 

 

Iran was pretty much disabled for the most part and fighting with spare parts.  It would have meant huge civilian casualties as they started using human shields around military infrastructure.  Cheers!

 

"...only a moron would even consider nukes." Was that sarcasm, or did you forget who was calling the shots?

 

Remember Jim Jones and Jonestown? David Koresh and the Branch Davidians? Cult leaders are pretty well capable of anything, including self destruction.

 

After meeting with Trump in 2017, former Exon CEO and then Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson refered to Trump as a "fucking moron". A lot of people would agree.

 

[73 Reds]

6 hours ago, Parsad said:

 

You guys all like to reinvent history! 

 

Iran refused to let IAEA inspectors in before the 12 day war in June of 2025, thus why the war started in the first place.  Iran then agreed to zero stockpiling of enriched uranium and to convert existing stores into energy grade before the U.S. bombing in February 2026. 

 

They never agreed to give up their nuclear material!  Even now in their 10 point proposal they don't want to give up their nuclear material!  So exactly what have they learned other than to keep lying to everyone?!

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/un-nuclear-watchdog-says-its-unable-to-verify-whether-iran-has-suspended-all-uranium-enrichment

 

https://thehill.com/policy/international/5759623-iran-nuclear-deal-stockpiling/

Again, the war started decades ago.  Oct. 7 was the day it finally began to end.  But Iran can't be trusted.  The cease-fire is a mistake IMO unless it is only temporary, in which case it will benefit the US far more than Iran.  The notion that Iran supporters believe they are somehow "winning" is delusional but in some ways understandable.  They didn't earn any of their destroyed assets; they were all pillaged, stolen or given to them by Russia and China.  Just like trust fund babies who didn't earn their wealth, Iran didn't appreciate what it had or what it has lost.  New leadership willing to work with the rest of the World is the only way permanent change is possible.  Otherwise, containment every so often as we have just seen will be necessary.  An acceptable outcome to me as long as we have US Administrations like the present one willing to make hard choices.  

[Castanza]

4 hours ago, ICUMD said:

One thing apparent in these times is you can't be weak and vulnerable.  You can't 'Trust' in friendship.   

 

USA through Trump has attacked Venezuela and now Iran to achieve control of their oil reserves.  He has repeatedly called Canada the 51 state. That's 3 out of the top 4 oil reserve nations. 

 

The very superpower that is supposed to be upholding law and order in the world is literally wielding their power for personal gain.   Sorta like a cop that pulls you over and steals your car at gunpoint. Maybe he shoots you too.

 

Literally everyone is rethinking their alliances.   I'm sure all the Arab states are.  They are also rethinking their military including Canada.

 

When the leader of the 'free' world, partners with your worst enemy, then bombs 1500 sites in your country and then threatens the very existence of your civilization, only possible through dropping of a nuclear bomb on you.   Which Trump can do unilaterally by the way...  What would you do?

 

Pretty sure most rationale people would say,  I need nuclear armaments! 

 

Munger said to invert. 

Well,  what would have happened if the IRGC did not have the military arsenal to fight back?  

 

Idk.  Maybe check out Gaza or Lebanon for an idea. Two non nuclear countries btw.

What? lol what is up with these terrorist state sympathizers….

 

Maduro was a garbage human being and had an arrest warrant. He’s not the first leader this happened to. Gadaffi was the last I believe. The IRGC is a theocratic terrorist regime. They deserve to be removed from power. Lebanon is basically a terrorist nation state as well run by Hezbollah, same with Gaza…

 

Perhaps you should change your perspective from “big bad USA coming to take oil” to “the US is removing terrible leaders so the countries have a chance to move forward”. 
 

Trump is Trump…asshole…but he’s temporary. Alliances are not dead because you scratch my back I scratch yours is more important than feelings. Once Trump is gone bumps will be taken, bruises will heal and the Western world will move on. There isn’t a choice, unless you prefer to align with China?
 

I swear some of you guys would be bitching about the allies and showing support for Germany and Japan post WWII…

 

 

[Hektor]

10 hours ago, Spekulatius said:

I agree this operation is Bibi is the brainchild. They started the war by killing Khamenei and Trump at that point felt had to join in. I still think this can go many ways as the positions of both sides are obviously very wide apart. Whatever the solution it needs to be such that each side can declare victory to their base.

 

How Trump Took the U.S. to War With Iran

In a series of Situation Room meetings, President Trump weighed his instincts against the deep concerns of his vice president and a pessimistic intelligence assessment. Here’s the inside story of how he made the fateful decision.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-war.html

 

For a shorter read: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-war-takeaways.html

[cubsfan]

30 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Again, the war started decades ago.  Oct. 7 was the day it finally began to end.  But Iran can't be trusted.  The cease-fire is a mistake IMO unless it is only temporary, in which case it will benefit the US far more than Iran.  The notion that Iran supporters believe they are somehow "winning" is delusional but in some ways understandable.  They didn't earn any of their destroyed assets; they were all pillaged, stolen or given to them by Russia and China.  Just like trust fund babies who didn't earn their wealth, Iran didn't appreciate what it had or what it has lost.  New leadership willing to work with the rest of the World is the only way permanent change is possible.  Otherwise, containment every so often as we have just seen will be necessary.  An acceptable outcome to me as long as we have US Administrations like the present one willing to make hard choices.  

 

Iran has taken a massive beating that will take many years to recover.  This is so well deserved. Regime change would have been the best outcome, but at least these fools gave the USA and Israel every opportunity to level their fighting power and show what a paper tiger Iran really is.

 

This will be a very interesting 2 weeks.

[Gregmal]

50 minutes ago, Castanza said:

What? lol what is up with these terrorist state sympathizers….

Nah, I don’t think they’re terrorist sympathizers beyond the surface. Same way they don’t really, really like pedo stuff, or support foreign dictators civil rights, or believe violent criminals should be allowed to roam consequence free. They’re just massively emotionally tied to “getting Trump”. You see it the second anything in the world happens, it’s always the “Trump sucks, Trump sucks, Trump sucks” in a such a knee jerk and compulsive way. 
 

It’s clear to anyone rational what changed. If you’re not sure, and sympathetic to the koombaya narrative of Iran…maybe go take a vacation there and see for yourselves lol. But to most it’s clear that the big bad global bully, the USA went in there with their big and expensive toys, smashed the gates, drove a tractor all over the garden and front lawn, broke all the windows, kicked down the front door, and set a fire at the kitchen gas line. Then, after letting it burn for a bit, put out the fire and walked away. At the very least, there’s a whole lotta rebuilding needed to get things back to where one who’s not truly delusional can look at that house and come to the concussion…nothing happened. 

[cubsfan]

 

 

[cubsfan]

Fragile ceasefire indeed

 

 

 

[cubsfan]

 

 

[changegonnacome]

1 hour ago, 73 Reds said:

Otherwise, containment every so often as we have just seen will be necessary.  An acceptable outcome to me as long as we have US Administrations like the present one willing to make hard choices.  

 

I don't think I need to tell you - but the tide is turning politically in the US as regards support for Israel.....its why Bibi IMO will be so focused on not letting this moment pass, relying on future administrations to step up re: containment has a huge amount of risk attached. Unwavering support for Israel is/was dogma for a certain generation of politicians in D.C., but that generation is sunsetting now and the generation coming up behind, both Republican and Democrat, appear much less supportive (reflecting frankly their underlying constituents shifting levels of support). Much of Israel's recent extreme focus at the destruction of Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah is yes reactionary re: Oct 7th but also IMO an acknowledgment that there may not be another time when they can have as much confidence in the US to back them to the hilt, that the winds of change are coming as regards the amount of support (military, financial and diplomatic cover) future US administrations will provide Israel.

[Gregmal]

1 minute ago, changegonnacome said:

 

I don't think I need to tell you - but the tide is turning politically in the US as regards support for Israel.....its why Bibi IMO will be so focused on not letting this moment pass, relying on future administrations to step up re: containment has a huge amount of risk attached. Unwavering support for Israel is/was dogma for a certain generation of politicians in D.C., but that generation is sunsetting now and the generation coming up behind, both Republican and Democrat, appear much less supportive (reflecting frankly their underlying constituents shifting levels of support). Much of Israel's recent extreme focus at the destruction of Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah is yes reactionary re: Oct 7th but also IMO an acknowledgment that there may not be another time when they can have as much confidence in the US to back them to the hilt, that the winds of change are coming as regards the amount of support (military, financial and diplomatic cover) future US administrations will provide Israel.

100%. It’s quite mind blowing to really realize that they picked Tim Walz over Josh Shapiro just cuz Josh was a Jew and the party would’ve revolted. 

[73 Reds]

6 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

 

I don't think I need to tell you - but the tide is turning politically in the US as regards support for Israel.....its why Bibi IMO will be so focused on not letting this moment pass, relying on future administrations to step up re: containment has a huge amount of risk attached. Unwavering support for Israel is/was dogma for a certain generation of politicians in D.C., but that generation is sunsetting now and the generation coming up behind, both Republican and Democrat, appear much less supportive (reflecting frankly their underlying constituents shifting levels of support). Much of Israel's recent extreme focus at the destruction of Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah is yes reactionary re: Oct 7th but also IMO an acknowledgment that there may not be another time when they can have as much confidence in the US to back them to the hilt, that the winds of change are coming as regards the amount of support (military, financial and diplomatic cover) future US administrations will provide Israel.

Perhaps you are correct.  OTOH, there are other winds of change, those happening in the Middle East.  Arab countries willing to work with Israel have never been so promising.  So while it is possible, even probable that support for Israel among US politicians is waning, the reality of a more prosperous Middle East is what may hopefully turn the tide.  We won't know for some time but as you suggest, this is an opportunity not worth wasting.

Edited April 8 by 73 Reds
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[changegonnacome]

34 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

 

 

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Simultaneously, in Lebanon, the IDF is continuing to conduct targeted ground operations against Hezbollah.

 

As I mentioned a couple of pages ago.....the point of the incursion and occupation of Southern Lebanon at the start of the Iran-US-Israel war becomes clear.......the US may be able to dictate to Israel what happens in the Iranian theatre but Israel is has full jurisdiction over its own mini-war in Southern Lebanon where it is in total control of the escalation ladder, the issue of course is that Iran-Hezobolah are tied together and as long as Israel occupies Southern Lebanon, Hezobolah will attack Israeli forces..in effect Southern Lebanon is mechanism by which Bibi continually gets to say that Israel is still under attack by Iran (just via proxies).....Southern Lebanon is Bibi's poison pill or veto on any deal that might get done in Hyderabad.

[73 Reds]

1 minute ago, changegonnacome said:

 

 

As I mentioned a couple of pages ago.....the point of the incursion and occupation of Southern Lebanon at the start of the Iran-US-Israel war becomes clear.......the US may be able to dictate to Israel what happens in the Iranian theatre but Israel is has full jurisdiction over its own mini-war in Southern Lebanon where it is in total control of the escalation ladder, the issue of course is that Iran-Hezobolah are tied together and as long as Israel occupies Southern Lebanon, Hezobolah will attack Israeli forces..in effect Southern Lebanon is mechanism by which Bibi continually gets to say that Israel is still under attack by Iran (just via proxies).....Southern Lebanon is Bibi's poison pill or veto on any deal that might get done in Hyderabad.

Except if Lebanon could control its own border with Israel this would not be an issue.

[changegonnacome]

25 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

Except if Lebanon could control its own border with Israel this would not be an issue.

 

Of course....totally agree.....Southern Lebanon has been a problem for forever....but my point still stands, its been a problem forever and forever, Bibi invading and now occupying that territory at the start of this war?? I wonder why.....well I explained why he did it and I admire the strategic rationale. It puts Bibi essentially in the room in Hyderabad at the negotiating table where he wouldn't have been otherwise. Every time Trump and Tehran inch toward a framework, Israel can escalate in Lebanon- push deeper, hit harder, tighten the occupation. The terms of any deal can be constantly shifted by Bibi because the facts on the ground in Lebanon can be changed by Bibi at will. And of course Iran, in their 10 point plan have tied a return of Lebanon to its Feb 28th borders to any deal.

 

Edited April 8 by changegonnacome

[changegonnacome]

 

"Israel strikes central Beirut, says Iran ceasefire doesn’t apply to Lebanon"

https://globalnews.ca/news/11769254/israel-beirut-iran-ceasefire-lebanon/

 

As expected Israel today is ratcheting up its attacks in occupied Lebanon.......garnering a response from iran.....Bibi doesn't want anyone flying to Hyderabad to talk about anything.

 

Trump used to be able to TACO all by himself on tariffs!

Then he thought ok in this situation with Iran it takes two to TACO!

Bibi though says hold my beer - it actually takes THREE to TACO now Donald!

[Red Lion]

2 hours ago, Castanza said:

I swear some of you guys would be bitching about the allies and showing support for Germany and Japan post WWII…

 

That's what I've been thinking about lately, it seems like the argument I keep hearing from certain corners of the political spectrum is that threat wasn't "imminent", why did we need to do this. I think we have a lot more Chamberlain's than Churchills, and Trump is something else altogether. 

[Castanza]

1 minute ago, Red Lion said:

 

That's what I've been thinking about lately, it seems like the argument I keep hearing from certain corners of the political spectrum is that threat wasn't "imminent", why did we need to do this. I think we have a lot more Chamberlain's than Churchills, and Trump is something else altogether. 

 

It's just hilarious to me that the idea "new info came to light" is an impossible scenario to many. I mean we saw Iran break out three different weapon systems that we didn't know they had. I don't think it's inconceivable to come to the conclusion that possible, they were closer to a nuke than some think. Regardless, you cannot allow a theocratic regime that has spent the last 40 years being the number 1 sponsor of terrorism globally get even close to a nuclear weapon. Now people want to spin it "they are more incentivized now! See it's a fail!"...they cannot separate their personal bias of Trump and how this went down and the results we are seeing. The world is complex and not black and white. The SOH may be a permanent impairment moving forward for the Western World and much of Asia....but obliterating Iran's military, and other strategic targets also could be a permanent benefit moving forward. Both can be true and I find it sad that people cannot hold more than one view. Slam dunks don't exist in the real world.

 

Hence my comments that people are borderline supporting these terrorist regimes out of spite for Trump. I agree, I don't like how it went down, it was unconstitutional; but I'm able to look at the results and find some good in it. We are playing the game whether we like it or not. It's like people forget the world they benefit from is the world they actively root against. Be careful what you wish for....