Maverick47 Posted April 5 Posted April 5 (edited) Trump is putting on a master class in how to destroy one’s own bargaining position in a negotiation. Herb Cohen wrote a book titled something like “How to negotiate by caring, but not THAT much.” The point being that you don’t want the other party to know exactly what REALLY is important to you in a negotiation, so your threat to walk away without a deal remains credible in the eyes of the other party…and you might end up getting what you wanted all along without having to overpay for it. Trump has maintained that the closing of the Strait of Hormuz is of no importance to the US…because it doesn’t buy a significant amount of the oil that passes through it. It will “open naturally” or other countries who need the oil shipped through it will have to open it themselves. Or they can just buy all the oil and jet fuel they want from the US, which has plenty to sell to make up what is lost from the Gulf states….sure those are falsehoods, but at least he was attempting to pretend that the Strait of Hormuz was not THAT important to the US. But with his latest screed, demanding that the “F’in Strait be opened by the “crazy bastards”.. he has completely reversed himself and let Iran know just exactly how important the Strait being opened is to him after all. So much being a master negotiator. Edited April 5 by Maverick47
cubsfan Posted April 5 Posted April 5 1 minute ago, Maverick47 said: Trump is putting on a master class in how to destroy one’s own bargaining position in a negotiation. Herb Cohen wrote a book titled something like “How to negotiate by caring, but not THAT much.” The point being that you don’t want the other party to know exactly what REALLY is important to you in a negotiation, so your threat to walk away without a deal remains credible in the eyes of the other party…and you might end up getting what you wanted all along without having to overpay for it. Trump has maintained that the closing of the Strait of Hormuz is of no importance to the US…because it doesn’t buy a significant amount of the oil that passes through it. It will “open naturally” or other countries who need the oil shipped through it will have to open it themselves. Or they can just buy all the oil and jet fuel they want from the US, which has plenty to sell to make up what is lost from the Gulf states….sure those are falsehoods, but at least he wa attempting to pretend that the Strait of Hormuz was not THAT important to the US. But with his latest screed, demanding that the “F’in Strait be opened by the “crazy bastards”.. he has completely reversed himself and let Iran know just exactly how important the Strait being opened is to him after all. So much being a master negotiator. Oh, that is rich. So Iran's powerful "negotiating position" is go right ahead and destroy all our military assets- we don't care! Right - that makes total sense.
DooDiligence Posted April 5 Posted April 5 5 minutes ago, Maverick47 said: Trump is putting on a master class in how to destroy one’s own bargaining position in a negotiation. Herb Cohen wrote a book titled something like “How to negotiate by caring, but not THAT much.” The point being that you don’t want the other party to know exactly what REALLY is important to you in a negotiation, so your threat to walk away without a deal remains credible in the eyes of the other party…and you might end up getting what you wanted all along without having to overpay for it. Trump has maintained that the closing of the Strait of Hormuz is of no importance to the US…because it doesn’t buy a significant amount of the oil that passes through it. It will “open naturally” or other countries who need the oil shipped through it will have to open it themselves. Or they can just buy all the oil and jet fuel they want from the US, which has plenty to sell to make up what is lost from the Gulf states….sure those are falsehoods, but at least he wa attempting to pretend that the Strait of Hormuz was not THAT important to the US. But with his latest screed, demanding that the “F’in Strait be opened by the “crazy bastards”.. he has completely reversed himself and let Iran know just exactly how important the Strait being opened is to him after all. So much being a master negotiator. You left out the most unhinged part of the quote. Happy Easter from the most Christian president ever. /S
John Hjorth Posted April 5 Posted April 5 11 minutes ago, DooDiligence said: It's OK, go ahead and write it, it's just money. https://www.foreign.senate.gov/press/dem/release/ranking-member-shaheen-presses-dfc-ceo-for-answers-on-risks-to-taxpayer-and-potential-benefits-to-china-from-20-billion-strait-of-hormuz-maritime-insurance-proposal Posted just to keep Jeffs [ @DooDiligence ] urin at boiling temperature : https://www.instagram.com/reels/DWh1S6GAFfP/ HaHa! - Gotcha! https://www.instagram.com/reels/DWoYwqIDQMk/
SharperDingaan Posted April 5 Posted April 5 (edited) Like it or not, there will very likely be a solution to the SOH and the Red Sea choke points within the next 2 weeks. We have no idea what it will be; but thereafter, shipping will again flow and it will be many months before 'near normal' returns. At some point, there will also be an agreed end to hostilities. The US takes its war machine home to a mid-term election; no more Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthi funding ... no more Israeli incursions into neighbouring territories and a exit from Gaza. Both Trump and Netanyahu need the war to continue in some form. SD Edited April 6 by SharperDingaan
Luke Posted April 5 Posted April 5 3 hours ago, ourkid8 said: Can you say US has been there for all their people? -$100B spent on this war so far. - healthcare - disaster - infrastructure is crumbling, I am going to NY tomorrow and I feel the airports are worst then 3rd world countries. I can keep on going but US needs to focus on the US. Trump has been a failure and liar to his people. Imagine, just imagining US invests in their own country instead of fabricating wars across the world. @cubsfan wasn’t that his campaign promise? 2 hours ago, LC said: No new wars! Looks like you need to queue up that benny hill music once again Just Brutal and the exact opposite of what he promised...
DooDiligence Posted April 5 Posted April 5 3 minutes ago, Luke said: Just Brutal and the exact opposite of what he promised... At least he's consistent.
DooDiligence Posted April 5 Posted April 5 5 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Posted just to keep Jeffs [ @DooDiligence ] urin at boiling temperature : https://www.instagram.com/reels/DWh1S6GAFfP/ HaHa! - Gotcha! https://www.instagram.com/reels/DWoYwqIDQMk/ There'll be a special section for children.
cubsfan Posted April 5 Posted April 5 21 minutes ago, SharperDingaan said: Like it or not, there will very likely be a solution to the SOH and the Red Sea choke points within the next 2 weeks. We have no idea what it will be; but thereafter, shipping will again flow and it will be many months before 'near normal' returns. At some point, there will also be an agreed end to hostilities. The US takes its war machine home to a mid-term election; no more Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthi funding ... no more Israeli incursions into neighbouring territories and a exit from Gaza. Both Trump and Netanyahu need the war to continue in some form. SD Looks like quite an excellent ending.
Maverick47 Posted April 5 Posted April 5 41 minutes ago, cubsfan said: So Iran's powerful "negotiating position" is go right ahead and destroy all our military assets- we don't care! Nope. This is an asymmetrical war. Trump just confirmed to the leaders of Iran that what they are doing to interfere with maritime traffic through the Strait is working. Will they have to pay for this in terms of their own people and infrastructure? Sure. But I don’t think they care. After all, that’s why Trump called them “crazy bastards”. He knows they aren’t acting rationally. Why should we expect his threats to work against crazy people?
Parsad Posted April 5 Posted April 5 55 minutes ago, Maverick47 said: Trump is putting on a master class in how to destroy one’s own bargaining position in a negotiation. Herb Cohen wrote a book titled something like “How to negotiate by caring, but not THAT much.” Unfortunately, Trump learned at the feet of Roy Cohn...who practiced, "How Not to Care About Anyone and Be a Ruthless Prick!" Cheers!
RichardGibbons Posted April 5 Posted April 5 2 hours ago, Marco Van Basten said: How many people have moved to us from Canada as a percentage of the population in the last twenty years? And from us to Canada? I keep hearing how amazing migration to Canada is but I don’t see any facts. Can you please provide facts for your opinion? Cause u know a dozen people that moved Canada to us and not a single person who moved from us to Canada? I gotta say, I'm a bit shocked that anyone on here isn't capable of doing basic Google and Gemini searches. I guess, you're like, super old, and are the type of person who finds anecdotal data really persuasive? It's seems quite odd to jump from talking about a hypothetical wall used to force people to remain in an authoritarian country to talking about 20 years of Canada/USA migration data--I'm amazed that any American thinks that the USA has been authoritarian for 20 years. That said, if you're finding this conversation challenging, I'd suggest that the most useful stats to understand hypothetical outcomes where walls are used to keep people around would be those related to the Soviet block, Nazi Germany, and other authoritarian states. That said, to the annual percentage of migration to the US from Canada, and the percentage of the population that has moved to Canada from the USA are actually identical to four significant figures, both at 0.00%. If you really care about as a ratio of the immigrant country's population, Canada gets more as a percentage of its population by about five times. Also, just for fun, here's some numbers from our third biggest province: https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2026/03/17/eby-osborne-boast-success-recruiting-hundreds-of-us-nurses-doctors/ That's a great result when BC is deliberately targeting healthcare professionals, and the result is getting 5% of the country's total immigration into a province making up only 13% of the population of Canada. It's shockingly high. I don't think BC could have got these immigration results without American assistance, so, if you're American, thanks for doing your part to improve healthcare in my province.
Parsad Posted April 5 Posted April 5 50 minutes ago, DooDiligence said: You left out the most unhinged part of the quote. Happy Easter from the most Christian president ever. /S He's more like King Herod! Ivanka is Salome! Cheers!
Parsad Posted April 5 Posted April 5 1 minute ago, RichardGibbons said: I gotta say, I'm a bit shocked that anyone on here isn't capable of doing basic Google and Gemini searches. I guess, you're like, super old, and are the type of person who finds anecdotal data really persuasive? It's seems quite odd to jump from talking about a hypothetical wall used to force people to remain in an authoritarian country to talking about 20 years of Canada/USA migration data--I'm amazed that any American thinks that the USA has been authoritarian for 20 years. That said, if you're finding this conversation challenging, I'd suggest that the most useful stats to understand hypothetical outcomes where walls are used to keep people around would be those related to the Soviet block, Nazi Germany, and other authoritarian states. That said, to the annual percentage of migration to the US from Canada, and the percentage of the population that has moved to Canada from the USA are actually identical to four significant figures, both at 0.00%. If you really care about as a ratio of the immigrant country's population, Canada gets more as a percentage of its population by about five times. Also, just for fun, here's some numbers from our third biggest province: https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2026/03/17/eby-osborne-boast-success-recruiting-hundreds-of-us-nurses-doctors/ That's a great result when BC is deliberately targeting healthcare professionals, and the result is getting 5% of the country's total immigration into a province making up only 13% of the population of Canada. It's shockingly high. I don't think BC could have got these immigration results without American assistance, so, if you're American, thanks for doing your part to improve healthcare in my province. +!! Cheers!
changegonnacome Posted April 5 Posted April 5 1 hour ago, Castanza said: NATO has been mostly a paper tiger since the end of the Cold War anyways…Nuclear deterrence has been more important Totally agree - too many of Europe's politicians are children of the Cold War...the old USSR looms large in their mind. They become almost hysterical when they talk about Russia as a military threat. If EU27+UK constructs its own first and second strike nuclear capability independent of the US one - ask yourself a basic math question > what exactly does a cohesive security alliance of the EU-27 plus the UK — 519 million people, $24.5 trillion in GDP — have to fear in a war of attrition against a country with one-tenth its economic output and a fighting-age male population five times smaller today, trending toward six times smaller within a decade? The only question is the whether absent US leadership they can come up with something cohesive and credible and frankly that question scares the Europeans to death (as it should the story of Europe is combinations of UK - France -Germany fighting for regional hegemony) so they put up with getting kicked around by Trump, the US like a stray dog because they are afraid without the US they soon might be at each other throats first figuratively and then physically within a decade or two! EU-27 + UK vs Russia 2026 & 2036
Maverick47 Posted April 5 Posted April 5 7 minutes ago, Parsad said: Unfortunately, Trump learned at the feet of Roy Cohn...who practiced, "How Not to Care About Anyone and Be a Ruthless Prick!" Cheers! . You got that right!
DooDiligence Posted April 5 Posted April 5 22 minutes ago, Parsad said: Unfortunately, Trump learned at the feet of Roy Cohn...who practiced, "How Not to Care About Anyone and Be a Ruthless Prick!" Cheers! Cohn's legacy. Never take responsibility for anything.
cubsfan Posted April 5 Posted April 5 33 minutes ago, changegonnacome said: Totally agree - too many of Europe's politicians are children of the Cold War...the old USSR looms large in their mind. They become almost hysterical when they talk about Russia as a military threat. If EU27+UK constructs its own first and second strike nuclear capability independent of the US one - ask yourself a basic math question > what exactly does a cohesive security alliance of the EU-27 plus the UK — 519 million people, $24.5 trillion in GDP — have to fear in a war of attrition against a country with one-tenth its economic output and a fighting-age male population five times smaller today, trending toward six times smaller within a decade? The only question is the whether absent US leadership they can come up with something cohesive and credible and frankly that question scares the Europeans to death (as it should the story of Europe is combinations of UK - France -Germany fighting for regional hegemony) so they put up with getting kicked around by Trump, the US like a stray dog because they are afraid without the US they soon might be at each other throats first figuratively and then physically within a decade or two! EU-27 + UK vs Russia 2026 & 2036 Now you are talking Change!
Marco Van Basten Posted April 5 Posted April 5 38 minutes ago, RichardGibbons said: I gotta say, I'm a bit shocked that anyone on here isn't capable of doing basic Google and Gemini searches. I guess, you're like, super old, and are the type of person who finds anecdotal data really persuasive? It's seems quite odd to jump from talking about a hypothetical wall used to force people to remain in an authoritarian country to talking about 20 years of Canada/USA migration data--I'm amazed that any American thinks that the USA has been authoritarian for 20 years. That said, if you're finding this conversation challenging, I'd suggest that the most useful stats to understand hypothetical outcomes where walls are used to keep people around would be those related to the Soviet block, Nazi Germany, and other authoritarian states. That said, to the annual percentage of migration to the US from Canada, and the percentage of the population that has moved to Canada from the USA are actually identical to four significant figures, both at 0.00%. If you really care about as a ratio of the immigrant country's population, Canada gets more as a percentage of its population by about five times. Also, just for fun, here's some numbers from our third biggest province: https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2026/03/17/eby-osborne-boast-success-recruiting-hundreds-of-us-nurses-doctors/ That's a great result when BC is deliberately targeting healthcare professionals, and the result is getting 5% of the country's total immigration into a province making up only 13% of the population of Canada. It's shockingly high. I don't think BC could have got these immigration results without American assistance, so, if you're American, thanks for doing your part to improve healthcare in my province. You made a statement, I asked you to back it up and you are upset? As for USA being authoritarian for twenty years, may I remind you that comrade Obama forced citizens to buy health insurance? People being forced to vaccinate their kids against covid? People being forced to wear masks on the beach and in parks six years ago? Forcing women to accommodate men in their bathrooms? Joe Biden opening the borders? State of NJ in 1975 Supreme Court decision that mandated that every town build housing for the poor? 9 authoritarians in the room, kind of like Soviet or Chinese standing politburo.
cubsfan Posted April 5 Posted April 5 59 minutes ago, Maverick47 said: Nope. This is an asymmetrical war. Trump just confirmed to the leaders of Iran that what they are doing to interfere with maritime traffic through the Strait is working. Will they have to pay for this in terms of their own people and infrastructure? Sure. But I don’t think they care. After all, that’s why Trump called them “crazy bastards”. He knows they aren’t acting rationally. Why should we expect his threats to work against crazy people? Yeah, like decades of work down the drain. Definitely works for me. If the is the US losing, I can't wait to see what winning looks like.
NnnnotSoSmart Posted April 5 Posted April 5 Happy Easter everybody. Remember all this? https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/photos-and-video/photogallery/office-public-engagment-easter-egg-roll-2013 Things are sooo much better today. Winning.
Castanza Posted April 5 Posted April 5 4 hours ago, John Hjorth said: Yes, @Castanza, That's why these kind of 'friends', who really aren't friends, but someone, with which one on a certain matter or matters, share a view, stance on, and thus cooperates with on such specific matters, are called allies. It doesen't imply hugging, kissing or even shagging. The existence based on agreement, rationality, hands-on approach, practicality, combined with respect, mutuality and mutual trust. [ ], just ask Danes and Canadians on this board. You Americans got what you voted for. Now own him, or remove him. Not a very constructive comment John. In fact you completely ignore the mental meltdown every NATO member is having because Trump said lace up your boots and get your own oil. I’ve been critical of this Iran conflict and how Trump went about it “without ally coordination” or Congressional approval. I also didn’t vote for Trump. Well it seems many of the Canadian members on this board wish to have nothing to do with USA moving forward implying there is more to the kissing and hugging than you may think. I think when Trump is gone the West will reunite and be stronger moving forward for the next 50 years. There isnt an option tbh.
DooDiligence Posted April 5 Posted April 5 12 minutes ago, Castanza said: Not a very constructive comment John. In fact you completely ignore the mental meltdown every NATO member is having because Trump said lace up your boots and get your own oil. I’ve been critical of this Iran conflict and how Trump went about it “without ally coordination” or Congressional approval. I also didn’t vote for Trump. Well it seems many of the Canadian members on this board wish to have nothing to do with USA moving forward implying there is more to the kissing and hugging than you may think. I think when Trump is gone the West will reunite and be stronger moving forward for the next 50 years. There isnt an option tbh. For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. Who knows, maybe integrity will make a comeback.
Castanza Posted April 6 Posted April 6 4 minutes ago, DooDiligence said: For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. Who knows, maybe integrity will make a comeback. The pendulum always swings…
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