cubsfan Posted March 21 Posted March 21 Just now, Blake Hampton said: Blake - is this your way of acknowledging that somehow the Hamas Oct 7th massacre was justified?
cubsfan Posted March 21 Posted March 21 1 minute ago, Blake Hampton said: @73 Reds @cubsfan Where do you guys get your news? Get to the point Blake - what is it you really want to know?
73 Reds Posted March 21 Posted March 21 3 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said: @73 Reds @cubsfan Where do you guys get your news? Blake, I was in Gaza since it became a hell hole. Where do you get your information?
Viking Posted March 21 Posted March 21 (edited) Niall Ferguson has some interesting things to say at the end of a recent podcast. He questions if the US paid enough attention to the global geopolitical situation with the war in Iran. He says the US is giving the Chinese leader a path to take Taiwan without firing a shot. He says we are in Cold War 2. Interesting perspective. From a geopolitical perspective, the US needs the war with Iran to end quickly… they grow weaker by the week. Russia and China? They are growing stronger. What is priced in to financial markets? That is where the story gets even more interesting. For the China angle and summary, go to the 49:30 minute mark. Edited March 21 by Viking
Parsad Posted March 21 Posted March 21 16 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Any minority will immediately recognize prejudice when it is couched in language most others find acceptable. I only see that from one poster here. If you see it, why don't you call it out? Perpetrators of such prejudice are pure cowards. They would lose or run away in any fair fight. I call it out more than anyone else on here. I think you are among the culpable that keep pushing the agenda from one side or another. Cheers!
Parsad Posted March 21 Posted March 21 17 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Oh believe me - they learned a very tough lesson unfortunately. When all the past approaches of appeasement and ass-kissing (Obama) don't work -then your only option is unconditional surrender. It's ugly for sure. It might not have been a long-term solution, but depending on the outcome and fallout, this one might not be the outcome everyone wants as well, if it all goes to smoke in a fiery fireball of wells and tankers and we see $200 oil! Cheers!
73 Reds Posted March 21 Posted March 21 6 minutes ago, Parsad said: I call it out more than anyone else on here. I think you are among the culpable that keep pushing the agenda from one side or another. Cheers! Please be specific.
cubsfan Posted March 21 Posted March 21 4 minutes ago, Parsad said: It might not have been a long-term solution, but depending on the outcome and fallout, this one might not be the outcome everyone wants as well, if it all goes to smoke in a fiery fireball of wells and tankers and we see $200 oil! Cheers! Absolutely. Who wants war? Some things, like destruction of a terrorist nation may come along with a high price. And it's also quite dangerous for the incumbent's legacy - as it quite risky. That doesn't mean you don't do it when enough is enough.
73 Reds Posted March 21 Posted March 21 Just now, cubsfan said: Absolutely. Who wants war? Some things, like destruction of a terrorist nation may come along with a high price. And it's also quite dangerous for the incumbent's legacy - as it quite risky. That doesn't mean you don't do it when enough is enough. Yep. That's the bottom line; the World is not always pretty and nice. You don't play nice with mean people and regimes. You take a moral stand. We did just that.
cubsfan Posted March 21 Posted March 21 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Viking said: From a geopolitical perspective, the US needs the war with Iran to end quickly… they grow weaker by the week. Russia and China? They are growing stronger. Now that is funny. Everyone needs the war to end quickly, particularly Europe and China, since they are most exposed to energy prices. Yeah, and Russia/China are going so strong, that their famous air defenses completely failed Iran in 24 hours. Their reputations will never be the same compared to the American military. And they are SO strong - they are coming to the defense of their ally, Iran. NOT Edited March 21 by cubsfan
Parsad Posted March 21 Posted March 21 12 minutes ago, Blake Hampton said: @73 Reds @cubsfan Where do you guys get your news? They get it from Fox, Newsmax, NY Post, Twitter and Truth Social. You get it from CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Facebook and Instagram. No overlap! Cheers!
Parsad Posted March 21 Posted March 21 11 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Please be specific. I responded to ourkid8 before you did. Go back to almost every agitating post and I've probably spoken up before most or when it was brought to my attention. Cheers!
73 Reds Posted March 21 Posted March 21 3 minutes ago, Parsad said: I responded to ourkid8 before you did. Go back to almost every agitating post and I've probably spoken up before most or when it was brought to my attention. Cheers! I meant as to me - you deemed me culpable. But yes, I have strong opinions on morality.
John Hjorth Posted March 21 Posted March 21 (edited) 11 minutes ago, cubsfan said: ... Everyone needs the war to end quickly, particularly Europe and China, since they are most exposed to energy prices. .... Where do you get that from, Mike [ @cubsfan ]?, Destination of crude oil, that passes the Persian Golf in 2025, million barrels per day : Edited March 21 by John Hjorth
cubsfan Posted March 21 Posted March 21 10 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: Where do you get that from, Mike [ @cubsfan ]?, Destination of crude oil, that passes the Persian Golf in 2025, million barrels per day : Simple John - Europe is not self sufficient in energy. The USA is close to it - but we are impacted to a much lesser degree. What is the cost of a gallon of gas in Europe now vs the USA? What is the cost of electricity vs the USA? Here in Illinois - expensive state - gas is still around $4 per gallon. And Europe's electricity is 3X higher?
Parsad Posted March 21 Posted March 21 18 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: I meant as to me - you deemed me culpable. But yes, I have strong opinions on morality. No, you aren't as bad as others. You get more vociferous and accusatory than anything bigoted. I have to make sure you don't make others cry! Cheers!
73 Reds Posted March 21 Posted March 21 2 minutes ago, Parsad said: No, you aren't as bad as others. You get more vociferous and accusatory than anything bigoted. I have to make sure you don't make others cry! Cheers! Please don't confuse outspokenness with prejudice or bigotry. People need to speak up on morality yet rarely do. That is one reason why the US is in the position it is in now.
Viking Posted March 21 Posted March 21 Two thoughts: Yes, the truth hurts (for some anyways). And, yes, it is what it is… NY Times opinion piece: Trump Is Hiding the Truth About the War in Iran https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/21/opinion/iran-war-trump-lying.html From his first announcement of the attack on Iran on Feb. 28, President Trump has issued a stream of falsehoods about the war. He has said Iran wants to engage in negotiations, though its government shows no sign of it. He has claimed that the United States “destroyed 100% of Iran’s Military capability” when Tehran continues to inflict damage throughout the region. He has said the war is almost complete even as he calls in reinforcements from around the globe. Lying is standard behavior for Mr. Trump, of course. His political career began with a lie about Barack Obama’s birthplace, and he has lied about his business, his wealth, his inauguration crowd size, his defeat in the 2020 election and so much more. A CNN tally of Mr. Trump’s falsehoods during one part of his first term found that he averaged eight false claims per day. Many people are so accustomed to his lies that they hardly notice them anymore. Yet lying about war is uniquely corrosive. When a president signals that the truth does not matter in wartime, he encourages his cabinet and his generals to mislead the country and one another about how the war is going. He creates a culture in which deadly mistakes and even war crimes can become more common. He makes it harder to win by hiding the realities of conflict and by making allies wary of joining the fight. Ultimately, he undermines American values and interests… Summary: Starting a war is the most serious action that a political leader can take. It ends lives and can change history. The decisions that guide war must be based in reality, and presidents owe American service members and their families the truth about why they are being asked to fight. Whatever short-term gain Mr. Trump thinks he is getting by lying about the war in Iran is far exceeded by the cost, for him, the country and the world.
cubsfan Posted March 21 Posted March 21 19 minutes ago, Viking said: Two thoughts: Yes, the truth hurts (for some anyways). And, yes, it is what it is… NY Times opinion piece: Trump Is Hiding the Truth About the War in Iran https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/21/opinion/iran-war-trump-lying.html From his first announcement of the attack on Iran on Feb. 28, President Trump has issued a stream of falsehoods about the war. He has said Iran wants to engage in negotiations, though its government shows no sign of it. He has claimed that the United States “destroyed 100% of Iran’s Military capability” when Tehran continues to inflict damage throughout the region. He has said the war is almost complete even as he calls in reinforcements from around the globe. Lying is standard behavior for Mr. Trump, of course. His political career began with a lie about Barack Obama’s birthplace, and he has lied about his business, his wealth, his inauguration crowd size, his defeat in the 2020 election and so much more. A CNN tally of Mr. Trump’s falsehoods during one part of his first term found that he averaged eight false claims per day. Many people are so accustomed to his lies that they hardly notice them anymore. Yet lying about war is uniquely corrosive. When a president signals that the truth does not matter in wartime, he encourages his cabinet and his generals to mislead the country and one another about how the war is going. He creates a culture in which deadly mistakes and even war crimes can become more common. He makes it harder to win by hiding the realities of conflict and by making allies wary of joining the fight. Ultimately, he undermines American values and interests… Summary: Starting a war is the most serious action that a political leader can take. It ends lives and can change history. The decisions that guide war must be based in reality, and presidents owe American service members and their families the truth about why they are being asked to fight. Whatever short-term gain Mr. Trump thinks he is getting by lying about the war in Iran is far exceeded by the cost, for him, the country and the world. Yeah, the old NYT is right: Iran is sure kicking our ass! Oh, and now Trump is a war criminal. Yup - that's the NYT for sure! LOL
cubsfan Posted March 21 Posted March 21 22 minutes ago, Viking said: Two thoughts: Yes, the truth hurts (for some anyways). And, yes, it is what it is… NY Times opinion piece: Trump Is Hiding the Truth About the War in Iran https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/21/opinion/iran-war-trump-lying.html From his first announcement of the attack on Iran on Feb. 28, President Trump has issued a stream of falsehoods about the war. He has said Iran wants to engage in negotiations, though its government shows no sign of it. He has claimed that the United States “destroyed 100% of Iran’s Military capability” when Tehran continues to inflict damage throughout the region. He has said the war is almost complete even as he calls in reinforcements from around the globe. Lying is standard behavior for Mr. Trump, of course. His political career began with a lie about Barack Obama’s birthplace, and he has lied about his business, his wealth, his inauguration crowd size, his defeat in the 2020 election and so much more. A CNN tally of Mr. Trump’s falsehoods during one part of his first term found that he averaged eight false claims per day. Many people are so accustomed to his lies that they hardly notice them anymore. Yet lying about war is uniquely corrosive. When a president signals that the truth does not matter in wartime, he encourages his cabinet and his generals to mislead the country and one another about how the war is going. He creates a culture in which deadly mistakes and even war crimes can become more common. He makes it harder to win by hiding the realities of conflict and by making allies wary of joining the fight. Ultimately, he undermines American values and interests… Summary: The decisions that guide war must be based in reality, and presidents owe American service members and their families the truth about why they are being asked to fight. Whatever short-term gain Mr. Trump thinks he is getting by lying about the war in Iran is far exceeded by the cost, for him, the country and the world. The best line in the whole article: "Starting a war is the most serious action that a political leader can take. It ends lives and can change history." Shocker - the absolute genius of the NYT!
Maverick47 Posted March 21 Posted March 21 One thing I will be looking out for in regards to any administration guidance regarding a potential end of the war is any usage of the timeframe “two weeks”. That is Trump’s go to phrase whenever he wants questioners to feel satisfied an answer is coming, while it is long enough for most folks’ attention to wonder and forget about a promise. Time and time again since 2016 the American people were promised a healthcare plan or an infrastructure bill, with the big announcement or the disclosure of the plan expected to be shared “in two weeks”. If that phrase ever gets used in regards to the war with Iran, it would not bode well…
Viking Posted March 21 Posted March 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Hjorth said: Where do you get that from, Mike [ @cubsfan ]?, Destination of crude oil, that passes the Persian Golf in 2025, million barrels per day : @John Hjorth, your post brings up an important point. The world uses about 100 million barrels of oil per day. About 20 million of the total are shipped through the Straight of Hormuz. Well it used to be - it hasn’t for three weeks now. Yes, some is being re-routed via pipeline. And there is are global SPR releases. Sanction has been removed from Russian and Iranian oil (if you don’t think we are in deep shit think about this - the US just removed sanctions from the countries ‘we’ are at war with). This is providing some ST relief. But there is, of course, much more to the story. We don’t consume oil. We consume the refined products - jet fuel, propane, gas etc. The supply chain for refined products is getting completely messed up. The impact of what is happening in the Persian Gulf is just starting. Of course, it will impact those closest first (reliant on oil/refined products/fertilizer). But like a tidal wave, it will in time wash over the rest of the world. What is happening right now is Americans/Canadians (those not reliant on oil/refined products/fertilizer from the gulf) are like tourists standing on the shore watching in amazement as the water gets sucked out into the ocean. Not realizing that a tsunami is coming - and they should be heading for higher ground. My point is if this war continues for another month or two in its current form it will affect everyone in the world in a very adverse way. There is a reason no previous US president attacked Iran (took out their supreme leader/leadership). And it wasn’t because they wen’t able to drop a bomb on the supreme leader. Or because they were chickens. It was because of the risk the Straight of Hormuz would get closed for an extended period - and if that happened the impact on the global economy would be severe. Well, it has happened. And the impact has been severe. If it stays closed the effect will be catastrophic. But like the tourist standing on the beach watching the water go out and wondering why - we just don’t get it yet. Edited March 21 by Viking
Sweet Posted March 21 Posted March 21 Trump’s response to Mueller’s death just shows how much of a piece of shit he is. Trump was lucky in some ways that it was Mueller who investigated him and not some partisan hack.
73 Reds Posted March 21 Posted March 21 3 minutes ago, Sweet said: Trump’s response to Mueller’s death just shows how much of a piece of shit he is. Trump was lucky in some ways that it was Mueller who investigated him and not some partisan hack. Not his proudest moment, for sure.
Blake Hampton Posted March 21 Posted March 21 1 hour ago, Parsad said: They get it from Fox, Newsmax, NY Post, Twitter and Truth Social. You get it from CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Facebook and Instagram. No overlap! I read the online editions of the WSJ, FT, NYT, and my local paper every morning. I don't watch cable news or use social media, except for YouTube and the occasional use of Reddit. @cubsfan and @73 Reds never answered my question. ^ ^ ^ Where do you guys get your news?
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