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[ourkid8]

3 hours ago, Castanza said:

@ourkid8 Genuine question. Are you in support of the Iranian theocratic regime or the civilians being oppressed by the regime?  I cannot tell by your responses. I gather you are not in favor of the approach the US and Israel are taking. But that still begs the question…. 

 

I fully support the Government including the theocratic regime because I believe in the importance of national sovereignty and the stability it provides for the country and its people. At the same time, I care deeply about all Iranian civilians. I see Iran as a diverse nation where people hold many different views—much like in the U.S., where there is intense debate over leaders like Trump. Supporting the state doesn't mean ignoring the people; rather, it’s a belief that a strong, independent government is the best path forward for the entire population, even if there is internal disagreement.

[ourkid8]

9 hours ago, Parsad said:

In the worst case scenario, many will die as civilian casualties...not only from Israel and U.S. bombings, but even more probably from attacks/suppression from their own government as they eventually fight to achieve change.  They are in the worst possible position out of every one involved in this war!  Cheers!

 

Attacks/suppression from their own government?  This is just not true and propaganda which is manufactured by foreign media/governments.  I wish I could take you to Iran and you will change your mind.  Its a civilized society and you are making them sound barbaric.  

 

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[ourkid8]

3 hours ago, John Hjorth said:

@ourkid8,

 

I here just want to express that I personally consider your chiming in here in this topic at this point extremely valuable. Thank you.

 

Merci!  - Iranians use merci to say thank you! 

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[John Hjorth]

13 minutes ago, ourkid8 said:

I fully support the Government including the theocratic regime because I believe in the importance of national sovereignty and the stability it provides for the country and its people. At the same time, I care deeply about all Iranian civilians. I see Iran as a diverse nation where people hold many different views—much like in the U.S., where there is intense debate over leaders like Trump. Supporting the state doesn't mean ignoring the people; rather, it’s a belief that a strong, independent government is the best path forward for the entire population, even if there is internal disagreement.

 

1 minute ago, ourkid8 said:

attacks/suppression from their own government?  This is just not true and propaganda which is manufactured by foreign media/governments.  I wish I could take you to Iran and you will change your mind.  Its a regular civilized society.  

 

Cool, short, to the point, not affected by the sentiment and temp in this topic. As usual.

[cubsfan]

2 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

 

Cool, short, to the point, not affected by the sentiment and temp in this topic. As usual.

 

Baghdad Bob used the same approach: factual, unemotional, defiant, surreal - all the while Iran was being destroyed right behind him. 

 

He was very entertaining to say the least!

[John Hjorth]

5 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

Baghdad Bob used the same approach: factual, unemotional, defiant, surreal - all the while Iran was being destroyed right behind him. 

 

He was very entertaining to say the least!

 

Mike [ @cubsfan ],

 

Why are you diluting, diverting this discussion with Iraqs former information minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf? That said, entertainmant is to like.

[ourkid8]

2 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

Fair enough.  But if he has been here on COBF since 2009, he likely has no better understanding of the current living conditions there than do you and I, who each have the opportunity to speak with Iranians who fled and have friends and family who have lived under that awful regime.

 

I speak from a place of first-hand knowledge—I’ve lived in Iran, I have family there, and I visit frequently. My understanding of the country goes beyond what is typically reported here. What many people miss is that Iran is a complex, diverse nation where support for the government and national identity are deeply linked. Even with internal disagreements, I’ve seen Shias, Sunnis, and Jews come together in moments of national mourning, like after the death of Ayatollah Khamenei. (I wasn't there unfortunately) Much like the political divide in the U.S. with figures like Trump, having a vocal opposition doesn't mean the government lacks the support of a vast majority of people who value sovereignty and stability above all else.

[Xerxes]

12 hours ago, SharperDingaan said:

 

If he was going to bomb the oil he would either have already done it, or the marines would already be there.

 

They aren't, and Iranian oil continues to flow out to China every day; shortly flowing to France and the UK as well ... potentially under their fleet protection.

 

The US is just pissed 'cause the Iranians have forced a draw ... all that shock and awe failing to produce a win. Destroy Kharg facilities, the Iranians blow the E-W pipeline, and 4M+ bbl/day of supply instantly vanishes. Another American cluster f***.

 

A draw.

 

SD

 

 

 

And Aramco facilities … 

 

I don’t know whose brilliant idea (IDF or Pentagon) was to attack the Iranian water desalination facility, which was right away followed by IRGC getting even across the Gulf on Bahrain’s desalination facility.

 

Homelander and his Warriors got to use what they have between ears far more a than what Palantir’ AI machine tells them to do. Sadly they measure success by tons of TNT dropped. Listening to them is like listening to potential employee talking about his CV and accomplishment in bullet terms. 

 

 

 

[Spekulatius]

34 minutes ago, ourkid8 said:

fully support the Government including the theocratic regime because I believe in the importance of national sovereignty and the stability it provides for the country and its people.

I guess it’s the same “stability” that Putin and Kim Jong  Un provide. All of the above are killing their own people by the ten thousands , so they are not regimes any more, they are a tyrannies . They deserve to get removed but that’s easier said than done.

 

I think most people will lose you when you are supporting this religious demagogues and tyrants. Thats not to say that I think Trump’s approach is a great one here,  however it if it works, it’s great outcome. Most Iranian people in the diaspora and probably in Iran itself will agree. Although I do think the regime has quite a bit of support from a significant part of the population in Iran even at this point..

[ourkid8]

1 hour ago, 73 Reds said:

From one of his latest posts (John, if you or anyone here doesn't find these words abhorrent, I don't know what to say other than I thought this Board had a monitor):

 

<<I was under the impression you Zionists/ Epstein class were trying to free the people. I guess your true colours are coming out.>>

 

 

I did write that comment after @cubsfan made a disgusting comment how the Iranians sure look pathetic and getting what they deserve.  That comment is extremely hurtful and shows lack of empathy. 

 

Was Israeli/US leaders mentioned in the Epstein emails?  Maybe that's my lack of knowledge which you can fill me in on.  I can promise you, no Islamic Shia leaders associated or was ever mentioned with the Epstein class.     

[cubsfan]

15 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

Mike [ @cubsfan ],

 

Why are you diluting, diverting this discussion with Iraqs former information minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf? That said, entertainmant is to like.

 

I think you missed the point, but that's ok @John Hjorth.

 

If I told you that the NAZI's marched into Denmark for the purposes of keeping peace all the while murdering the Danish resistance - I doubt you would be silent on the re-write/white wash of history.   It's quite comical to read @ourkid8's comments on the peaceful, loving and caring Iranian Regime.

 

On a debate board, there is no reason to whitewash history and then listen to it, just for purposes of "politeness".   It serves no purpose in getting to the truth.

 

 

[cubsfan]

3 minutes ago, ourkid8 said:

 

I did write that comment after @cubsfan made a disgusting comment how the Iranians sure look pathetic and getting what they deserve.  That comment is extremely hurtful and shows lack of empathy.   

 

Got it Tokyo Rose - for all those Iranians hanging from cranes for criticizing their government and not wearing their burkas - I apologize for my lack of empathy.

[ourkid8]

1 hour ago, cubsfan said:

 

My mistake, I thought it was self evident that I was talking about the regime that @ourkid8 seems to adore.  Those scumbags that have the right to "self defense" - yet have destroyed nations like Iraq, Syria, Gaza, Lebanon, etc.

 

They are definitely getting what they deserve and the world will be much safer.

 

You can thank Trump & Israel later!

 

Correction - Israel /US are destroying nations such as Iraq, Syria, Palestine and Lebanon. -Shame on people who support this action.   By saying they are getting what they deserve is a very hateful comment which shows you lack empathy.     

[cubsfan]

Just now, ourkid8 said:

 

Correction - Israel /US are destroying nations such as Iraq, Syria, Palestine and Lebanon. -Shame on people who support this action.   By saying they are getting what they deserve is a very hateful comment which shows you lack empathy.     

 

Spoke like someone who cheers on Oct 7th.

 

Well done.

[Castanza]

56 minutes ago, ourkid8 said:

 

I fully support the Government including the theocratic regime because I believe in the importance of national sovereignty and the stability it provides for the country and its people. At the same time, I care deeply about all Iranian civilians. I see Iran as a diverse nation where people hold many different views—much like in the U.S., where there is intense debate over leaders like Trump. Supporting the state doesn't mean ignoring the people; rather, it’s a belief that a strong, independent government is the best path forward for the entire population, even if there is internal disagreement.

You’ve lost me on this view. The regime in charge of Iran is magnitudes different than anywhere else. It is a Theocratic Terrorist Regime. Strong independent governments don’t rule and subject their citizens with fear and violence. 

 

44 minutes ago, ourkid8 said:

 

Attacks/suppression from their own government?  This is just not true and propaganda which is manufactured by foreign media/governments.  I wish I could take you to Iran and you will change your mind.  Its a civilized society and you are making them sound barbaric.  

 

I agree that Iran has a very rich and diverse cultural history. They are vastly different than Afghanistan and Iraq. We definitely equate them all the same in the West simply due to a lack of education on the subject and probably some personal bias. I think the cultural history of the Iranian people can be preserved and separate from the current regimes approach. The people of Iran deserve better leadership. I also agree that I’m not a fan of this approach by the US and Israel approach. It’s haphazard and unlikely to succeed in a way that benefits the people. 

[ourkid8]

13 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Got it Tokyo Rose - for all those Iranians hanging from cranes for criticizing their government and not wearing their burkas - I apologize for my lack of empathy.

Fake news and propaganda. Please see a video on X from Bushra who is not wearing a hijab and walking freely. Anyone who has actually been to Iran are aware what you sharing is lies and hate 
 

 

[Xerxes]

@ourkid8

 

Putting aside the current military intervention, you cannot say that the regime in Tehran is NOT a deeply corrupt and repressive oligarchy for the benefit of a few. 
 

This has absolutely nothing to do with Americans and Israelis. Those two got their issues … and one can write a whole PhD thesis on the topic, but that is not the point.  

Khamnei had the power to pull a Salman-MBS at anytime in his decades long reign. He could have focused on economics rather than an outdated foreign policy from the 1980s and repression.  

 

 

[cubsfan]

2 minutes ago, ourkid8 said:

Fake news and propaganda. Please see a video on X from Bushra who is not wearing a hijab and walking freely. Anyone who has actually been to Iran are aware what you sharing is lies and hate 
 

 

 

I definitely admire your passion @ourkid8

 

I think there's a few job openings for you in the Revolutionary Guard. You're perfect!

[dealraker]

3 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

1 hour ago, SharperDingaan said:

 

Until now, Orange Boy has always been able to escape his disruption caused. But Iran is a 'tar baby', he has trapped himself, and has now begun to drown. Friday's doubling down were the first thrashings of a man who can't swim .

 

Crude futures run up next week, there ain't no SPR release to bail him out. This time out It'll be relaxation of tariffs, UK/French ships escorting Iranian cargo's out, and extended relaxation of Russian o/g sanctions. SOH closed for another week.

 

Every godfather knows .... capos are there to take the blame. When that doesn't work, partners; maybe Netanyahu's rumoured demise becomes a reality .... fog of war, etc. And when doesn't work ....

 

SD

LOL, kind of hard to laugh and be enraged at the same time.   Keep bitching!  

'Tar baby'...I love it.

[Xerxes]

4 minutes ago, ourkid8 said:

Fake news and propaganda. Please see a video on X from Bushra who is not wearing a hijab and walking freely. Anyone who has actually been to Iran are aware what you sharing is lies and hate 
 

 

 

Sorry, but that is very recent. 
 

After the disastrous Raisi reign as president, the regime finally figured out that maybe we got to let people be. Again that speaks to complete lack of leadership and moral compass. 
 

Why so many has to suffer and worse case die in 2022 … that has nothing to do with American and Israelis 
 

[ourkid8]

2 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

I definitely admire your passion @ourkid8

 

I think there's a few job openings for you in the Revolutionary Guard. You're perfect!

When someone counters your points with proof/ evidence you deflect and attack. - very sad. 

[ourkid8]

8 minutes ago, Xerxes said:

@ourkid8

 

Putting aside the current military intervention, you cannot say that the regime in Tehran is NOT a deeply corrupt and repressive oligarchy for the benefit of a few. 

what proof do you have? We all live in a society where we are innocent until proven guilty. If you make such bold statement, please back it up. 
 

[cubsfan]

6 minutes ago, ourkid8 said:

When someone counters your points with proof/ evidence you deflect and attack. - very sad. 

 

Hey - I got it!  

 

You love the peace loving regime in Iran.  You win!  LOL

[73 Reds]

1 hour ago, ourkid8 said:

 

I speak from a place of first-hand knowledge—I’ve lived in Iran, I have family there, and I visit frequently. My understanding of the country goes beyond what is typically reported here. What many people miss is that Iran is a complex, diverse nation where support for the government and national identity are deeply linked. Even with internal disagreements, I’ve seen Shias, Sunnis, and Jews come together in moments of national mourning, like after the death of Ayatollah Khamenei. (I wasn't there unfortunately) Much like the political divide in the U.S. with figures like Trump, having a vocal opposition doesn't mean the government lacks the support of a vast majority of people who value sovereignty and stability above all else.

You support a regime that perpetuates terrorism.  You claim to support the Iranian people, who are oppressed by the very same regime.  You are an Antisemite who uses language that is highly inflammatory and reflects no understanding at all of anyone you purport to identify with except religious fanatics.  As Cubs said which I wholly endorse, your regime is getting exactly what it deserves.  As did its leaders.  Anyone who believes otherwise is morally bankrupt. 

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[changegonnacome]

4 hours ago, Spekulatius said:

Straight of Hormuz is open, the only thing prohibiting transit

is Iran shooting at ships

Classic Hegseth/Noem/Bondi type answer…..it’s the type of stuff that comes out of C & D players mouths when things aren’t going well….they are so desperate that they attempt to warp reality with a timeshare used car salesman level pitch.

 

If anything it shows the level of anxiety around the Strait being effectively closed. Iran played its two trump cards straight out the gate together - war regionalization AND Strait closure - suspect that US/Israel thought it would be weeks before things would go so far up the escalation ladder but Iran cleverly decided to skip the intermediate escalatory steps and go straight to the end game.
 

Given the game Iran is playing it would be foolish to allow an easy climb down from here for the US/Israel this period of time could be easily dubbed the “pain game”. Iran is indeed degraded militarily and so their deterrents regime against a future US/Israel attack lay heavily on the shoulders of the Straits and war regionalization….its all they have left from a deterrents perspective and so thy need to maximize its efficacy….hence the ME region and US/Israel/Globe need to be delivered pain sufficient to deter future attacks….my guess if they can hold the line is they want to see $4 gas at American pumps.
 

Perhaps some of our O&G experts can explain how long it takes $120 spot oil to flow through to $4+ gas at the pump? Iran is surely thinking about the court of public opinion in the US most especially with the midterms coming up.