changegonnacome Posted March 4 Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, cubsfan said: One of these days we will know whether Trump was Bibi's sucker. The more interesting question is who's driving the bus here Bibi or Trump?...my story has it that Bibi is but Trump's hope by joining in with Israel so forcefully here is that the US can regain strategic and operational control of the situation. I suspect the US has a laundry list of targets it considers strategically important such that it will force BOTH Iran and Israel to detente....which to say to neuter Iran to force JCPOA++++ deal capitulation hoping its enough to put Bibi's total Iran annihilation dream to bed as its hard to cry wolf, when the wolf is lying bloodied on the floor with its legs broken. The Iranian regime would be wise to do it and wait out the passing of the current Israeli administration full as it is with hardliners. If your Israel though I would continue to push and push here there is multi-generational opportunity here to eliminate an existential threat to your country. The appetite to annihilate Iran will grow greater with the eating.
Dalal.Holdings Posted March 4 Posted March 4 (edited) 17 hours ago, Spekulatius said: He should not have torn up Obama’s deal then and made sure the terms were enforced and surveillance thorough. He could always have cancelled the deal later under his presidency if the Iranians would not play ball. I think the issue with that is they he thinks only he can make deals and he is not bound to any deals made by predecessors. Maybe. But it was still strange that the regime claimed it was their "right" to enrich Uranium for energy purposes. They are a highly fossil fuel rich nation--why do they need nuclear power? I would not give the regime the benefit of the doubt which is what Obama administration was willing to do And then of course, all along they were providing support to the Triple H terrorists: Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis... Edited March 4 by Dalal.Holdings
Gregmal Posted March 5 Posted March 5 "Instead of sending billions overseas, we need to invest in jobs, healthcare, and education here," Khanna said on X. https://www.ktvu.com/news/congressman-ro-khanna-prioritizing-military-aid-for-ukraine.amp Another anti American creep who’s been too busy looking at Epstein pics lol
Spekulatius Posted March 5 Posted March 5 (edited) 3 hours ago, Dalal.Holdings said: Maybe. But it was still strange that the regime claimed it was their "right" to enrich Uranium for energy purposes. They are a highly fossil fuel rich nation--why do they need nuclear power? I would not give the regime the benefit of the doubt which is what Obama administration was willing to do And then of course, all along they were providing support to the Triple H terrorists: Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis... I guess you did not read the terms of the deal then. Ira was enriching Uranium beforehand , The deal JCPOA called for a substantial reduction in existing highly enriched stockpiles and for Irs. To limit itself to ~4% enriched Uranium which is used for nuclear power not bombs. There were mechanism for inspection (unannounced). I don’t k wo why people call it the worst deal ever done. There are valid concerns about the deal enforceability as well as Iran funding terror organizations (which is true). However, the latter for example was a separate issue and should have been dealt separately. the US made a nonproliferation deal regarding nuclear weapon with the Soviet Union during the Cold War. THeis deal was a ihr u lese weapons and nothing else. The FCPOA deal was designed the same way. To my knowledge Iran never broke the deal while it was in place. They broke the deal after it was canceled by Trump, which should not have been a surprise. Trump should have let this deal in place and if Iran if had broken the deal, he should have torn it up, but not before, imo. I think it was Trump hubris that killed the deal (only he can make deals) or him believing Nethanyahu when he leaked the Mossad docs about Irans nuclear work. I expect that Trump will eventually make a deal Iran that is similar to FCPOA and call it the greatest deal ever, if we come to a political solution. Edited March 5 by Spekulatius
Dalal.Holdings Posted March 5 Posted March 5 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Spekulatius said: I guess you did not read the terms of the deal then. Ira was enriching Uranium beforehand , The deal JCPOA called for a substantial reduction in existing highly enriched stockpiles and for Irs. To limit itself to ~4% enriched Uranium which is used for nuclear power not bombs. There were mechanism for inspection (unannounced). I don’t k wo why people call it the worst deal ever done. There are valid concerns about the deal enforceability as well as Iran funding terror organizations (which is true). However, the latter for example was a separate issue and should have been dealt separately. the US made a nonproliferation deal regarding nuclear weapon with the Soviet Union during the Cold War. THeis deal was a ihr u lese weapons and nothing else. The FCPOA deal was designed the same way. To my knowledge Iran never broke the deal while it was in place. They broke the deal after it was canceled by Trump, which should not have been a surprise. Trump should have let this deal in place and if Iran if had broken the deal, he should have torn it up, but not before, imo. I think it was Trump hubris that killed the deal (only he can make deals) or him believing Nethanyahu when he leaked the Mossad docs about Irans nuclear work. I expect that Trump will eventually make a deal Iran that is similar to FCPOA and call it the greatest deal ever, if we come to a political solution. I did not agree with Trump when he tore up the deal. However the deal really only prevented Iran from being about a year away from making a weapon. The “breakout time” in the Iran nuclear deal was one year—one year that they could break out and make a weapon. I think that the regime could not be trusted—even with inspectors. They could easily have sites off the map that could further enrich Uranium. I think they saw what having a weapon did for North Korea and made the decision to enrich so they too could eventually have a bomb. A nuclear Iran would be a disaster. You’d then have the Saudis insisting that they too develop their own nuclear capabilities. There is no real rational reason for Iran to have nuclear power plants. They have abundant fossil fuels. Them insisting on nuclear energy was a farce. I now think the regime could not be trusted even with that deal. The Soviet nonproliferation deal is different because the Soviets already had nuclear weapons and it was an accord between mutual super powers with disincentives to use such a weapon. Iran’s regime is different, making routine assertions about wiping the “Great Satan” (U.S) and Israel off the map. Funding terrorists all over the world. They should never be close to having such capabilities. Decapitating the Iranian regime also has a clear silver lining: it sends a message to every would-be tin pot dictator who dreams of having a nuclear weapon that they may meet the same fate if they try to build one. IMO allowing countries like North Korea and Pakistan to ever get their hands on such weapons were huge strategic failures of the west. Far better to decapitate and stop these things early as nuclear weapons are the ultimate black swan risk. Edited March 5 by Dalal.Holdings
Mephistopheles Posted March 5 Posted March 5 (edited) Kristi Noem getting neutered by both sides in Congress and Pam Bondi subpoenaed by a GOP led committee. I sense a spine sprouting at Capitol Hill! And Jeannine Pirro drops the auto pen case, and doj also drops the case against the law firms. Good news for my fellow antifas Edited March 5 by Mephistopheles
Dalal.Holdings Posted March 5 Posted March 5 Quote Is the US in decline? After Iran strikes, maybe not, Chinese analysts say The popular idea in China that American strength is waning may need a rethink, observers say https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3345445/us-decline-after-iran-strikes-maybe-not-chinese-analysts-say The world got the message after VZ and now Iran. America always looks messier from the outside than it really is.
73 Reds Posted March 5 Posted March 5 11 hours ago, Spekulatius said: I guess you did not read the terms of the deal then. Ira was enriching Uranium beforehand , The deal JCPOA called for a substantial reduction in existing highly enriched stockpiles and for Irs. To limit itself to ~4% enriched Uranium which is used for nuclear power not bombs. There were mechanism for inspection (unannounced). I don’t k wo why people call it the worst deal ever done. There are valid concerns about the deal enforceability as well as Iran funding terror organizations (which is true). However, the latter for example was a separate issue and should have been dealt separately. the US made a nonproliferation deal regarding nuclear weapon with the Soviet Union during the Cold War. THeis deal was a ihr u lese weapons and nothing else. The FCPOA deal was designed the same way. To my knowledge Iran never broke the deal while it was in place. They broke the deal after it was canceled by Trump, which should not have been a surprise. Trump should have let this deal in place and if Iran if had broken the deal, he should have torn it up, but not before, imo. I think it was Trump hubris that killed the deal (only he can make deals) or him believing Nethanyahu when he leaked the Mossad docs about Irans nuclear work. I expect that Trump will eventually make a deal Iran that is similar to FCPOA and call it the greatest deal ever, if we come to a political solution. Are you serious? Continuing to enrich uranium? Death to Israel? Death to America? Funding terrorism? Are you so blinded by ideology? The "terms" of a deal are utterly meaningless when the spirit of the same deal is violated at every turn.
Gregmal Posted March 5 Posted March 5 (edited) 11 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Are you serious? Continuing to enrich uranium? Death to Israel? Death to America? Funding terrorism? Are you so blinded by ideology? The "terms" of a deal are utterly meaningless when the spirit of the same deal is violated at every turn. Right? Meanwhile at home we undermine EVERYTHING Trump tries to do on NOTHING but emotionally driven hysteria. I mean it’s been 4 days now and according to the usual suspects it’s already a “forever war”…meanwhile we’ll take Iran’s word that they’ll be good boys with enriched uranium! This TDS thing is quite potent! Edited March 5 by Gregmal
Parsad Posted March 5 Posted March 5 4 hours ago, Mephistopheles said: Kristi Noem getting neutered by both sides in Congress and Pam Bondi subpoenaed by a GOP led committee. I sense a spine sprouting at Capitol Hill! And Jeannine Pirro drops the auto pen case, and doj also drops the case against the law firms. Good news for my fellow antifas Cubs knew it...he knew you were antifa! But small "a" antifa...not big "A"! Does anyone else get turned on by Bondi when she's angry in court? Cheers!
73 Reds Posted March 5 Posted March 5 19 minutes ago, Gregmal said: Right? Meanwhile at home we undermine EVERYTHING Trump tries to do on NOTHING but emotionally driven hysteria. I mean it’s been 4 days now and according to the usual suspects it’s already a “forever war”…meanwhile we’ll take Iran’s word that they’ll be good boys with enriched uranium! This TDS thing is quite potent! Sadly, otherwise intelligent people often let emotion and ideology interfere with reason and basic facts. Every "deal" or contract includes an important element: An implied covenant of good faith. When this covenant is violated, it gives rise to an immediate and automatic cause of action for breach of contract. Case closed.
Gregmal Posted March 5 Posted March 5 4 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Sadly, otherwise intelligent people often let emotion and ideology interfere with reason and basic facts. Every "deal" or contract includes an important element: An implied covenant of good faith. When this covenant is violated, it gives rise to an immediate and automatic cause of action for breach of contract. Case closed. Yea but Trump rips up agreements……
cubsfan Posted March 5 Posted March 5 8 minutes ago, Parsad said: Cubs knew it...he knew you were antifa! But small "a" antifa...not big "A"! You took the words right out of my mouth! Though deep down, I think my buddy @Mephistopheles is starting to come around to MAGA, just like you !
73 Reds Posted March 5 Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, Gregmal said: Yea but Trump rips up agreements…… Not to mention that you don't make deals with bad guys. Other than the Luca Brasi deal we are making with them now.
Gregmal Posted March 5 Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Not to mention that you don't make deals with bad guys. Other than the Luca Brasi deal we are making with them now. Well Trump is a bad guy who you can never trust because he always negotiates except when he negotiates it’s akin to lying and we actually did trust him even though we said we don’t and now we re mad because we said you can never trust him and besides, where’s the fentanyl! Man it must be tough being a liberal!
73 Reds Posted March 5 Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, Gregmal said: Well Trump is a bad guy who you can never trust because he always negotiates except when he negotiates it’s akin to lying and we actually did trust him even though we said we don’t and now we re mad because we said you can never trust him and besides, where’s the fentanyl! Man it must be tough being a liberal! LOL, I never minded the old-school liberals and in fact, frequently agreed with them on certain policy issues. It was always the fringes on both sides that were the issue. Unfortunately, today's "liberals" were yesterdays' fringes.
Gregmal Posted March 5 Posted March 5 4 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: LOL, I never minded the old-school liberals and in fact, frequently agreed with them on certain policy issues. It was always the fringes on both sides that were the issue. Unfortunately, today's "liberals" were yesterdays' fringes. And the unfortunate truth that those 90s liberals whom were pretty solid in terms of their policies and practicality in most aspects, are basically Epsteins inner circle lmfao
73 Reds Posted March 5 Posted March 5 Just now, Gregmal said: And the unfortunate truth that those 90s liberals whom were pretty solid in terms of their policies and practicality in most aspects, are basically Epsteins inner circle lmfao Well, not to excuse anyone illicitly associated with Epstein in any way, but standards, norms and what constitutes acceptable behavior has changed drastically over the course of my lifetime.
Gregmal Posted March 5 Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Well, not to excuse anyone illicitly associated with Epstein in any way, but standards, norms and what constitutes acceptable behavior has changed drastically over the course of my lifetime. Sure, which normal, non deranged people probably see. I mean what seems like the most likely scenario, is that Epstein was basically the sex party godfather. This was widely known among many different high society crowds. This was true and can be true independent upon the fact that he himself had a very sick individual preference when it came to sexual activity. But it also explains why 1) so many wealthy dudes from finance, fashion, media etc had partied with him over three plus decades. And 2) how it’s fairly believable that even someone like Clinton whom was frequently associated with him, could have been doing just that, while not necessarily engaging in the Epstein himself specific behavior. But that’s more higher level and deductive on the reasoning side than many of these deranged “get Trump” clowns are capable of getting. It also explains the lack of prosecutions despite decades of bipartisan enforcement investigations.
Parsad Posted March 5 Posted March 5 26 minutes ago, cubsfan said: You took the words right out of my mouth! Though deep down, I think my buddy @Mephistopheles is starting to come around to MAGA, just like you ! Not coming around to MAGA...but do agree with some things, like this: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/rfk-jr-says-wants-dunkin-175507006.html Don't like brain worm guy, but there are a lot of things about diet (all across North America) that needs to be fixed to some degree...especially in the restaurant/fast food sector. When I was 13, today's appetizer plate was the dinner plate and the largest burger you could get was a Big Mac (550 calories) unless you went to a diner that put 2-3 patties on a bun. Milkshakes were the most unhealthy thing you could drink and less than 500 calories as well. Today, the average mixed drink at Dunkin's or Starbucks is a large drink, with tons of sugar and fat, and probably comes in at 750 calories plus. The average mixed coffee drink! It's got more to do with portion size than anything else, but we are killing out kids! I find when I order off of Denny's 55+ menu, I can barely finish that plate of food now...I can only imagine ordering the Grand Slam off the regular menu which is like twice the size and calories. Cheers!
73 Reds Posted March 5 Posted March 5 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Gregmal said: Sure, which normal, non deranged people probably see. I mean what seems like the most likely scenario, is that Epstein was basically the sex party godfather. This was widely known among many different high society crowds. This was true and can be true independent upon the fact that he himself had a very sick individual preference when it came to sexual activity. But it also explains why 1) so many wealthy dudes from finance, fashion, media etc had partied with him over three plus decades. And 2) how it’s fairly believable that even someone like Clinton whom was frequently associated with him, could have been doing just that, while not necessarily engaging in the Epstein himself specific behavior. But that’s more higher level and deductive on the reasoning side than many of these deranged “get Trump” clowns are capable of getting. It also explains the lack of prosecutions despite decades of bipartisan enforcement investigations. Yup. And at the risk of eliciting the usual suspects here out of their holes, even something as basic as a so-called victimless crime is very different than what it used to be. Back in the day, paying girls for sex - even underage girls - was widely considered a victimless crime because both parties presumably acted voluntarily and each received the benefits they bargained for. Fortunately times have changed, as has our recognition of victims. Edited March 5 by 73 Reds spelling
dwy000 Posted March 5 Posted March 5 29 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Yup. And at the risk of eliciting the usual suspects here out of their holes, even something as basic as a so-called victimless crime is very different than what it used to be. Back in the day, paying girls for sex - even underage girls - was widely considered a victimless crime because both parties presumably acted voluntarily and each received the benefits they bargained for. Fortunately times have changed, as has our recognition of victims. Then release the files instead of destroying them. Why would anyone cover up raping and abusing underage girls?
dwy000 Posted March 5 Posted March 5 34 minutes ago, Parsad said: Not coming around to MAGA...but do agree with some things, like this: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/rfk-jr-says-wants-dunkin-175507006.html Don't like brain worm guy, but there are a lot of things about diet (all across North America) that needs to be fixed to some degree...especially in the restaurant/fast food sector. When I was 13, today's appetizer plate was the dinner plate and the largest burger you could get was a Big Mac (550 calories) unless you went to a diner that put 2-3 patties on a bun. Milkshakes were the most unhealthy thing you could drink and less than 500 calories as well. Today, the average mixed drink at Dunkin's or Starbucks is a large drink, with tons of sugar and fat, and probably comes in at 750 calories plus. The average mixed coffee drink! It's got more to do with portion size than anything else, but we are killing out kids! I find when I order off of Denny's 55+ menu, I can barely finish that plate of food now...I can only imagine ordering the Grand Slam off the regular menu which is like twice the size and calories. Cheers! This is all very true but i dont want the government dictating what people can or cant eat or determining what restaurants can serve as portion size. They're just giving people what they want (even if its not good for them). If the ingredient causes cancer or similar damage, then yep, ban it. But people are gonna eat what they want. Almost every Dutch Bros drink is just a massive milkshake and they're growing faster than Starbucks. Hey, get them on the input side when theyre young and then sell them Ozempic when theyre older. The American cycle of life!
Parsad Posted March 5 Posted March 5 1 minute ago, dwy000 said: This is all very true but i dont want the government dictating what people can or cant eat or determining what restaurants can serve as portion size. They're just giving people what they want (even if its not good for them). If the ingredient causes cancer or similar damage, then yep, ban it. But people are gonna eat what they want. Almost every Dutch Bros drink is just a massive milkshake and they're growing faster than Starbucks. Hey, get them on the input side when theyre young and then sell them Ozempic when theyre older. The American cycle of life! I agree that I don't think government should tell us what to eat or drink, but they do regardless. You can't smoke in private/public spaces, you can't drink and drive, you can't do surgery while on weed, you get care when you eat toxins, etc. It's not quite the slippery slope that people make it out to be, because the costs are borne by taxpayers through healthcare costs...especially for countries that support Universal healthcare like Canada, UK, etc. I'm pretty sure I'll be equally satisfied with a Grande White Chocolate Mocha, rather than a Venti or whatever is even bigger than a Venti! This all started with 7/11's Big Gulp back in the late 70's. I remember buying one of these things at least once a week when I was 14-15 years old in the 80's, along with a Chili Dog...and I wouldn't eat the healthy lunch my Mom packed. Ah, memories! But that was probably the start of my unhealthy diet for the rest of my life! Cheers!
dwy000 Posted March 5 Posted March 5 Just now, Parsad said: I agree that I don't think government should tell us what to eat or drink, but they do regardless. You can't smoke in private/public spaces, you can't drink and drive, you can't do surgery while on weed, you get care when you eat toxins, etc. It's not quite the slippery slope that people make it out to be, because the costs are borne by taxpayers through healthcare costs...especially for countries that support Universal healthcare like Canada, UK, etc. I'm pretty sure I'll be equally satisfied with a Grande White Chocolate Mocha, rather than a Venti or whatever is even bigger than a Venti! This all started with 7/11's Big Gulp back in the late 70's. I remember buying one of these things at least once a week when I was 14-15 years old in the 80's, along with a Chili Dog...and I wouldn't eat the healthy lunch my Mom packed. Ah, memories! But that was probably the start of my unhealthy diet for the rest of my life! Cheers! The big difference is that smoking in public, drinking and driving, smoking weed and doing surgery are things where your actions harm other people. Eating 2 big Macs every night only hurts you. You will never win a societal argument vs personal choice on that one in a country where guns kill thousands of kids every year and thats deemed acceptable. I used to live on those Big Gulps. The slurpee ones. They were less than a $1 at the time so would last you all night.
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