73 Reds Posted January 8 Posted January 8 14 minutes ago, Spooky said: This is just the beginning. The US just committed an act of war against VZ combining intelligence, land, air, space and cyber elements. What you think they are magically now going to give you their oil? How are you going to secure US oil investments in the region? It feels like we are living in Orwell's 1984 where there is just constant war / military spending / bombing ad nauseam. Where were all the protests and protesters when a bounty was placed on Maduro's head? Anyone want to share their outrage?
Spooky Posted January 8 Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Where were all the protests and protesters when a bounty was placed on Maduro's head? Anyone want to share their outrage? What outrage is warranted? Hardly the same as military intervention and capturing the leader of the country. Whatever happens in VZ now, the US owns the outcome. You break it you buy it.
73 Reds Posted January 8 Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, Spooky said: What outrage is warranted? Hardly the same as military intervention and capturing the leader of the country. Whatever happens in VZ now, the US owns the outcome. You break it you buy it. Well I guess its OK to murder the guy but not put him on trial where he gets due process. Explains a lot.
Luke Posted January 8 Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Well I guess its OK to murder the guy but not put him on trial where he gets due process. Explains a lot. You dont seem to want to understand it ok
Spooky Posted January 8 Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Well I guess its OK to murder the guy but not put him on trial where he gets due process. Explains a lot. Is this really the number one strategic priority for the US right now? If it wanted to the US could put its might behind Ukraine and put pressure on Russia to end the war. All the pressure is being put on Ukraine, Russia has not given up a thing. Or maybe you could pivot to the Pacific theatre like you claimed you were going to do? Back Japan and Taiwan and deter China from taking Taiwan by force like they have stated they aim to do by 2027. Or maybe try and build a real lasting peace in Gaza? I mean you provided all the ordinance for Israel to flatten it. Or maybe reaffirm commitment to NATO to put an end to Russia's hybrid warfare in Europe? Or maybe help to end the civil war in Sudan? Yes, this is what the world needs, another confrontation that has very little strategic importance.
73 Reds Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Just now, Luke said: You dont seem to want to understand it ok I understand completely. Which is why I think your position is indefensible. (That is worse than wrong in case you're wondering).
73 Reds Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Just now, Spooky said: Is this really the number one strategic priority for the US right now? If it wanted to the US could put its might behind Ukraine and put pressure on Russia to end the war. All the pressure is being put on Ukraine, Russia has not given up a thing. Or maybe you could pivot to the Pacific theatre like you claimed you were going to do? Back Japan and Taiwan and deter China from taking Taiwan by force like they have stated they aim to do by 2027. Or maybe try and build a real lasting peace in Gaza? I mean you provided all the ordinance for Israel to flatten it. Or maybe reaffirm commitment to NATO to put an end to Russia's hybrid warfare in Europe? Or maybe help to end the civil war in Sudan? Yes, this is what the world needs, another confrontation that has very little strategic importance. Deflecting? Again, this tells me everything that is needed to know.
Spooky Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Just now, 73 Reds said: Deflecting? Again, this tells me everything that is needed to know. Deflecting from what? All trump wants is optics and quick wins.
73 Reds Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Just now, Spooky said: Deflecting from what? All trump wants is optics and quick wins. Most of the issues you bring up have been covered "ad nauseum" upstream in this thread. If you really want to know my opinion go back through the posts. You don't want to acknowledge the sheer hypocrisy of sitting silent on Maduro until he is arrested. That's OK, we get it.
Luke Posted January 8 Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: I understand completely. Which is why I think your position is indefensible. (That is worse than wrong in case you're wondering). Apparently i am not the only person in the world who seems to think like me and apparently all over europe leading governments see it similarly so we can leave it at that and you continue to believe in Trump and I believe in our leaders
Spooky Posted January 8 Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Most of the issues you bring up have been covered "ad nauseum" upstream in this thread. If you really want to know my opinion go back through the posts. You don't want to acknowledge the sheer hypocrisy of sitting silent on Maduro until he is arrested. That's OK, we get it. How am I being the hypocrite? You modern republicans are the biggest hypocrites I have ever seen.
Luke Posted January 8 Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Most of the issues you bring up have been covered "ad nauseum" upstream in this thread. If you really want to know my opinion go back through the posts. You don't want to acknowledge the sheer hypocrisy of sitting silent on Maduro until he is arrested. That's OK, we get it. Americans hopefully have to eat their own actions at some point - europe looks lost already to me
73 Reds Posted January 8 Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, Spooky said: How am I being the hypocrite? You modern republicans are the biggest hypocrites I have ever seen. @Spooky way back when I learned how not to conflate issues. Worth a try. I'll leave it at that.
Spooky Posted January 8 Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: @Spooky way back when I learned how not to conflate issues. Worth a try. I'll leave it at that. Hey you're the one that is calling me a hypocrite. My positions and views have remained the same. I don't think what the US is doing is in the best interest of the US' long run security and prosperity and by extension the rest of the world. I miss the old version of the US that I grew up with. It wasn't perfect but at least it was trying to make a better world. Let's look at some of the Republican flip flops: 1. We care about the debt and deficit -> Nope! Let's blow out the deficit with the Big Beautiful Bill! 2. We don't want to be involved in foreign "forever wars" and entanglements. America First! -> Nope, that was a lie. 3. We want to eliminate USAID and focus on the well being of Americans at home -> Nah forget helping Americans, that's socialism. 4. Hunter Biden's laptop! -> We're cool with Trump's children enriching themselves on an unprecedented scale and directing foreign policy even though they are not part of the government. Cool! I could go on.
73 Reds Posted January 8 Posted January 8 5 minutes ago, Spooky said: Hey you're the one that is calling me a hypocrite. My positions and views have remained the same. I don't think what the US is doing is in the best interest of the US' long run security and prosperity and by extension the rest of the world. I miss the old version of the US that I grew up with. It wasn't perfect but at least it was trying to make a better world. Let's look at some of the Republican flip flops: 1. We care about the debt and deficit -> Nope! Let's blow out the deficit with the Big Beautiful Bill! 2. We don't want to be involved in foreign "forever wars" and entanglements. America First! -> Nope, that was a lie. 3. We want to eliminate USAID and focus on the well being of Americans at home -> Nah forget helping Americans, that's socialism. 4. Hunter Biden's laptop! -> We're cool with Trump's children enriching themselves on an unprecedented scale and directing foreign policy even though they are not part of the government. Cool! I could go on. There is a counter-argument to every one of your points. Best left for a bar over drinks. Sufficeth to say, we see things differently.
Spooky Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 minute ago, 73 Reds said: There is a counter-argument to every one of your points. Best left for a bar over drinks. Sufficeth to say, we see things differently. Fair enough. I hope there are no hard feelings. It is easy to get animated.
73 Reds Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Just now, Spooky said: Fair enough. I hope there are no hard feelings. It is easy to get animated. Of course - we're all friends here and came here for a common purpose that we all share.
Spooky Posted January 8 Posted January 8 (edited) 38 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Of course - we're all friends here and came here for a common purpose that we all share. Honestly it's true. I just want peace and prosperity for my American friends and the world. Sadly I expect we will need to live through some dangerous times. Edited January 8 by Spooky
Mephistopheles Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Funny to see the cult defending the Maduro capture for drugs and not the truth that Trump is so honest about (the oil). Just say the truth like Trump. ps - didn’t Trump pardon a cocaine kingpin who was also a head of state in South America?
SharperDingaan Posted January 8 Posted January 8 (edited) As suspected, it isn't going well for Orange Boy with Congress/Venezuela ... It would also seem that someone is about to receive a visit in the near future; hence, perhaps it's a good time to monitor polymarket . WTI is now trading at about the same price that it was, just before Maduro was snatched. Republicans break ranks to halt future Trump attacks on Venezuela https://ca.news.yahoo.com/republicans-break-ranks-halt-future-171946093.html Five members of the president’s party broke ranks to support a War Powers Act resolution. The new resolution blocks the president from using the military against Venezuela without authorisation from Congress. The vote of 52-47 now stands as one of the largest shows of Republican resistance on Capitol Hill so far during Trump’s second presidency. Is Iran the target? US Special Ops spotted training in UK airbase https://www.theweek.in/news/middle-east/2026/01/08/is-iran-the-target-us-special-ops-seen-training-with-osprey-rotors-exercise-in-the-uk.html Crack soldiers were seen rappelling from the aircraft at RAF Fairford and RAF Mildenhall, key UK bases for the U.S. Air Force, hinting that the Americans could be prepping for another mission, according to The Times. At least 14 C-17 Globemaster transport aircraft and two heavily armed AC-130J Ghostrider gunships landed at three RAF bases in Suffolk and Gloucestershire since Saturday. Ospreys are usually used by the US Air Force’s 7th Special Operations Squadron, which specialises in long-range infiltration, extraction, and resupply. The Ospreys left Fairford on Wednesday morning, and have “gone dark” on flight trackers, according to The Times. We live in interesting times. SD Edited January 8 by SharperDingaan
SharperDingaan Posted January 8 Posted January 8 The Vietnam version of the AC-130J Ghostrider Gunship was nicknamed "Puff, The Magic Dragon". Puff has grown up quite a bit since then. SD
cubsfan Posted January 8 Posted January 8 2 hours ago, Luke said: Haha yeah... Do we read the same news? The US attacked Venezuela, kidnapped leading government representative and now wants to run the economy with a focus on ressource extraction while at the same time threatening greenland and NATO. Wake up!!!! Oh, my - another hair-on-fire post from @Luke about the benevolent dictator of Venezuela being taken out.
cubsfan Posted January 8 Posted January 8 2 hours ago, Spooky said: This is just the beginning. The US just committed an act of war against VZ combining intelligence, land, air, space and cyber elements. What you think they are magically now going to give you their oil? How are you going to secure US oil investments in the region? It feels like we are living in Orwell's 1984 where there is just constant war / military spending / bombing ad nauseam. Hey @Spooky - promise me you will wake me up when the Venezuelan army attacks the USA. Shit - they couldn't even keep their President safe! LOL
cubsfan Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Spooky said: Is this really the number one strategic priority for the US right now? If it wanted to the US could put its might behind Ukraine and put pressure on Russia to end the war. All the pressure is being put on Ukraine, Russia has not given up a thing. Or maybe you could pivot to the Pacific theatre like you claimed you were going to do? Back Japan and Taiwan and deter China from taking Taiwan by force like they have stated they aim to do by 2027. Or maybe try and build a real lasting peace in Gaza? I mean you provided all the ordinance for Israel to flatten it. Or maybe reaffirm commitment to NATO to put an end to Russia's hybrid warfare in Europe? Or maybe help to end the civil war in Sudan? Yes, this is what the world needs, another confrontation that has very little strategic importance. Not our job. The losers in Europe need to finish off Putin instead of talking about it all day long for 5 years. It's your war, not ours. You could care less about the havoc that the Maduro regime unleashed upon America. America First!
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