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[73 Reds]

8 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

This is, to me personally, true and correct, also forward looking. I think it's possible to download an app from somewhere to your screen on your device there providing a count down box to always remind you about how long incumbent POTUS still will be POTUS, showing you years, days, hours and seconds to when his by then elected successor will enter the POTUS position. This is about being aware of the timewise proportions of the phenomen. Furthermore incumbent POTUS is not exactly a spring bunny, 79 years old, turning the sharp corner of 80 next year at 14^th June.

John, Trump was elected to stem the growing tide of govt. intervention, a war on capitalism, unfettered, illegal immigration, and poor to non-existent foreign policy by the prior administration.  The voters spoke.  After two years we have mid term elections and the voters get to speak again, even while Trump is President.  It is not coincidence that most often the mid term elections go against an incumbent administration.  This is how checks and balances were intended to work.

Edited November 25, 2025 by 73 Reds
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[Jay Rent]

14 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 

Russia has been winning this war for years. They have 6-8x the population of Ukraine.   Alaska achieved nothing for peace since both Ukraine and Europe threw up on the proposal that came out. Now Ukraine is even worse position than the Alaska meeting - so the deal gets worse for Ukraine. You think Putin is stupid?

He knows he is winning and dealing from a position of strength.  Zelensky's position is incredibly weak after the poor showing of Europe not backing him.

 

Cubs, with all due respect,   a stalemate is very different from winning the war.    A surrender is not a proposal.  

 

While Moscow has remained tight-lipped about how many of its soldiers have been killed or wounded, the recently concluded summer offensive “has come at an enormous cost” but “achieved no major objectives”, said The Economist.  

 

History tells us not to underestimate the willpower of people repelling a larger army when defending their homeland:   

See

1.    Russia / Afghanistan 

2.    US/Vietnam

3.    Russia/Finland

 

 

Greg,

 

I provided specific action items which the current administration changed on Jan 20th with respect to US support of Ukraine.    You responded with JD Vance jibberish about inflation and everything else under the rainbow, but nothing about how the USA is providing better support for Ukraine than before.    

 

It's all blame others with this administration,  at least some Republican's are doing their job and pushing back!

 

GOP Rep.  Don Bacon is speaking out against it, saying the plan amounts to Ukraine surrendering to Russia. 

 

Some of the Senate GOP’s top Russia hawks are up in arms over a peace plan President Donald Trump hopes will end Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine.

The plan — which would see Ukraine ceding Crimea, Donbas, Luhansk and parts of Kherson and Zaporizhia; place limits on Kyiv’s military and permanently block a pathway to NATO membership — has drawn the ire of Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Roger Wicker (R-Miss.), who are urging the White House to refrain from actions they say would be detrimental to the region

 

 

 

[Gregmal]

17 minutes ago, Jay Rent said:

You responded with JD Vance jibberish about inflation and everything else under the rainbow, but nothing about how the USA is providing better support for Ukraine than before.    

 

It's all blame others with this administration,  at least some Republican's are doing their job and pushing back!

Nah. My stance is exactly the same as it was on day one of the war; that this isn’t the US taxpayer’s war. 
 

Otherwise I merely pointed out the somewhat absurd but definitely noticeable rhetoric that apparently all sorts of things that weren’t so, magically became so, just cuz the calendar changed and Trump physically took office. Not really sure what Vance has to do with that, but if he noticed people behaving like that too, he wouldn’t be wrong. Remember all the people whom cashed up ahead of the Great Depression of spring/summer 2025?

[cubsfan]

40 minutes ago, Jay Rent said:

Cubs, with all due respect,   a stalemate is very different from winning the war.    A surrender is not a proposal.  

 

While Moscow has remained tight-lipped about how many of its soldiers have been killed or wounded, the recently concluded summer offensive “has come at an enormous cost” but “achieved no major objectives”, said The Economist.  

 

History tells us not to underestimate the willpower of people repelling a larger army when defending their homeland:   

See

1.    Russia / Afghanistan 

2.    US/Vietnam

3.    Russia/Finland

 

 

Greg,

 

I provided specific action items which the current administration changed on Jan 20th with respect to US support of Ukraine.    You responded with JD Vance jibberish about inflation and everything else under the rainbow, but nothing about how the USA is providing better support for Ukraine than before.    

 

It's all blame others with this administration,  at least some Republican's are doing their job and pushing back!

 

GOP Rep.  Don Bacon is speaking out against it, saying the plan amounts to Ukraine surrendering to Russia. 

 

Some of the Senate GOP’s top Russia hawks are up in arms over a peace plan President Donald Trump hopes will end Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine.

The plan — which would see Ukraine ceding Crimea, Donbas, Luhansk and parts of Kherson and Zaporizhia; place limits on Kyiv’s military and permanently block a pathway to NATO membership — has drawn the ire of Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Roger Wicker (R-Miss.), who are urging the White House to refrain from actions they say would be detrimental to the region

 

Russia is clearly winning this war and has been for a few years. All the delays are doing is putting Ukraine in a very bad bargaining position. You can play optimist all day long - but all the Europeans did was extend the war needlessly and give the Ukrainians false hope that France, Britain and Germany would be coming to the rescue real soon. A terrible joke they played on Ukraine.

[cubsfan]

@Jay Rent The thing you continue to dodge is there is NO widespread support for USA entering the Ukrainian war. It was settled on Election Day - and popular support is even lower at this time.  

 

You name a bunch of RINO's that have little to no support, except among the defense industry.

 

It's possible that could change if Europe put together a massive army and sent it off to fight the Russians. But we already know that is not happening.

[Gregmal]

That’s kind of the larger point. You have people whom wake up in the middle of the night and think “Trump must’ve woke me up!” continuing to obsess over Trump, which is par for the course for them. But as it relates to this war, the only real question or perspective of legitimacy is simply, “where the fuck are Germany, France, UK, etc?”….and from my personal perspective, it’s not even entirely clear to me why those countries should have mandates either; but it’s 100% logically incompatible to sit here choking on your own vomit regurgitating “Trump!” demands and criticisms without equal or much greater ones for “the neighbors”…

[changegonnacome]

4 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

It's possible that could change if Europe put together a massive army and sent it off to fight the Russians. But we already know that is not happening.

 

Yep no European country has shown the slightest hint that they would be willing to sacrifice their young men on the Ukrainian Eastern front......the political will isnt there......when you get down to it Russia cares more about 'winning' the war in Ukraine than the EU/US does.....watch what people do, not what they say....lots of fighting talk from the European's yet no fighting.....whatever deal was on the table in Istanbul in 2022 was foolishly rejected by Ukraine......Zelensky made a huge error in judgement around the scale and persistence over time of Western support for a toe-to-toe war with Russia.....Boris Johnson and Joe Biden who by all accounts encouraged Zelensky to fight on should be ashamed of themselves.

[Gregmal]

Yup. Fair or not, a country like Ukraine(they’re not by a mile the only country in this category either) needs to realize that to the establishment politicians in the EU/US, they are merely “play things” that much like a Tinder fling, are used for a bit and then discarded when something more interesting comes along. Don’t like it? Well take it up with the people for vote for those establishment scumbags that play these games. 

[Jay Rent]

1 hour ago, cubsfan said:

@Jay Rent The thing you continue to dodge is there is NO widespread support for USA entering the Ukrainian war

 

Cubs,  

 

hope you are enjoying your day.    Many continue to dodge that 'entering' and 'supporting' are not the same.

 

See

 

https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/53431-republican-opposition-military-aid-ukraine-rising-november-15-17-2025-economist-yougov-poll

 

• Americans overall are more likely to support Ukraine military aid than to oppose it
  • 34% of U.S. adult citizens would increase military aid to Ukraine (including 54% of Democrats saying this), while 21% would maintain the same amount of aid, 11% would decrease aid, and 16% would stop it altogether

- yougov has a good reputation as being non-partisan.

 

I made by point that non-partisan and the majority of US citizens continue to support Ukraine.    So I am moving on.    Enjoy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sweet]

@cubsfan this is from the BBC, check out the output from the organisation that supposedly has no institutional bias

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct6vps

 

hope you can open the link.

[Parsad]

6 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

Don't you see that this type of thought process completely undermines the system of checks and balances on which the United States has been built?  Allowing current events to nullify an entire history and extrapolating current events into infinity is simply letting emotion dictate.  You wouldn't let this happen when it comes to investing so why let it affect you this way when it comes to politics?  This forum is better than daily venting about everything and anything Trump. 

 

The checks and balances are already being undermined domestically!  They are now being undermined globally.  You just choose to ignore it.  In economic terms, Trump isn't just going off the gold standard, he's betting everything on Bitcoin...that's what is happening presently politically.  Cheers!

[changegonnacome]

You bet @Gregmal….the thing you find with EU & pre-Trump US politicians is they are ruthless pragmatists when it comes to domestic affairs and then they live out their idealist fantasies abroad….more fool the small nations that don’t realize this dynamic when sat across from US/UK/EU leaders.

[cubsfan]

1 hour ago, Jay Rent said:

 

Cubs,  

 

hope you are enjoying your day.    Many continue to dodge that 'entering' and 'supporting' are not the same.

 

I made by point that non-partisan and the majority of US citizens continue to support Ukraine.    So I am moving on.    Enjoy.

 

No problem Jay. Admire your passion for Ukraine. Wish the situation was not what it is for all. @changegonnacome has the best take on what led us here.

 

Sad for Ukraine as a pawn.

[rogermunibond]

"Congress has the sole power to declare war."

 

“It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal.”

[73 Reds]

49 minutes ago, Parsad said:

 

The checks and balances are already being undermined domestically!  They are now being undermined globally.  You just choose to ignore it.  In economic terms, Trump isn't just going off the gold standard, he's betting everything on Bitcoin...that's what is happening presently politically.  Cheers!

The checks and balances are the very system under which the Country functions.  No one individual materially affects it one way or another - at least not for long, hence "checks and balances".  Do you recognize that as strongly as you and a few outspoken posters here may feel about Trump is the same way some others here felt about Biden and the trajectory he was taking the Country?  Yet there was no whining, name-calling, daily ridicule, etc..., at least not since I've been a member on this Board (and I was a lurker for a time before joining).  Go back and read some of your own recent posts.  They don't address political issues in any way worth discussing and there are a lot of issues worthy of discussion!

Edited November 25, 2025 by 73 Reds
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[Gregmal]

2 minutes ago, 73 Reds said:

The checks and balances are the very system under which the Country functions.  No one individual materially affects it one way or another - at least not for long, hence "checks and balances".  Do you recognize that as strongly as you and a few outspoken posters here may feel about Trump is the same way some others here felt about Biden and the trajectory he was taking the Country?  Yet there was no whining, name-calling, daily ridicule, etc..., at least not since I've been a member on this Board (and I was lurker for a time before joining).  Go back and read some of your own recent posts.  They don't address political issues in any way worth discussing and there are a lot of issues worthy of discussion!

Well, the sad thing is, @Parsad could indeed be right this time(I don’t think so, but that’s not an opinion with much conviction either way), however it would be for naught because the lefty losers and MSM spent the last decade crying wolf, falsely declaring pretty much the same thing. Again, they’ll sleep in the bed they make for themselves. 

[73 Reds]

2 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Well, the sad thing is, @Parsad could indeed be right this time(I don’t think so, but that’s not an opinion with much conviction either way), however it would be for naught because the lefty losers and MSM spent the last decade crying wolf, falsely declaring pretty much the same thing. Again, they’ll sleep in the bed they make for themselves. 

I mean anything is *possible* but that's not how most rational people live their lives.  The World as we know it didn't end during Trump's first term even though we were all assured that it would, and as a policy voter I am satisfied with most of the policies put in place since his re-election.

[changegonnacome]

1 hour ago, cubsfan said:

Sad for Ukraine as a pawn.

 

Yeah pawn/plaything.....there's an alternative universe where successive Ukranian regimes skillfuly played the West and Russia becoming something of bridge.....my understanding of Ukranian politics is its viciousness along pro-West or pro-Russian lines........the correct answer was machiavellian pragmatism and a middle way....perhaps common sense will break out in Ukraine after its borders are redrawn.

[John Hjorth]

1 minute ago, changegonnacome said:

Yeah pawn/plaything.....there's an alternative universe where successive Ukranian regimes skillfuly played the West and Russia becoming something of bridge.....my understanding of Ukranian politics is its viciousness along pro-West or pro-Russian lines........the correct answer was machiavellian pragmatism and a middle way....perhaps common sense will break out in Ukraine after its borders are redrawn.

 

@changegonnacome,

 

I've never been able to figure it out from reading your posts here on CofB&F, are you an American citizen, and if not, of which nationality are you? Please, and naturally, respectfully, feel free to decline to elaborate by reply here, if that's the way for you to approach this question of mine, to protect and maintain your privacy.

[Parsad]

4 hours ago, 73 Reds said:

I mean anything is *possible* but that's not how most rational people live their lives.  The World as we know it didn't end during Trump's first term even though we were all assured that it would, and as a policy voter I am satisfied with most of the policies put in place since his re-election.

 

I can understand that sentiment, but many people are ignoring the smaller indicators that something is amiss under the surface.

 

Like Hegseth's recent threats to General Mark Milley...both Constitutional and military law protect the General from Hegseth's threats to court martial him.  Yet, Hegseth threatens to punish a respected military officer who has spent his entire life in service to the country.  The breakdown in due process with migrants, citizens, protestors, etc.  The list goes on and on.

 

All this stuff is eroding the guardrails or are attempts to remove the guardrails.  Ignoring this behavior is very dangerous to the country's short-term and long-term well-being.  It doesn't mean the U.S. cannot survive someone like Trump...but his behavior on many issues could undo or undermine what Presidents before him built over 250 years!  Cheers!

[73 Reds]

12 hours ago, Parsad said:

 

I can understand that sentiment, but many people are ignoring the smaller indicators that something is amiss under the surface.

 

Like Hegseth's recent threats to General Mark Milley...both Constitutional and military law protect the General from Hegseth's threats to court martial him.  Yet, Hegseth threatens to punish a respected military officer who has spent his entire life in service to the country.  The breakdown in due process with migrants, citizens, protestors, etc.  The list goes on and on.

 

All this stuff is eroding the guardrails or are attempts to remove the guardrails.  Ignoring this behavior is very dangerous to the country's short-term and long-term well-being.  It doesn't mean the U.S. cannot survive someone like Trump...but his behavior on many issues could undo or undermine what Presidents before him built over 250 years!  Cheers!

I think that is what is called "knit-picking".  Neither you, nor I, nor anyone but those intricately involved in these matters knows all the details.  We only know what is reported, which as we all know should be taken with multiple grains of salt.  Our foundational principles are not under threat, regardless of the convenient narrative that creates for some.  How many times do you need to see a crisis averted to finally recognize that there was no crisis?

[Parsad]

Supersized monstrosity! 

 

What a horrible waste of space...destruction of such a beautiful lawn...and looks stupid compared to the original Mansion!

 

Seems like something Aaron Spelling would have built!  Cheers!

 

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-79-feuds-white-house-154144429.html

[Parsad]

The circus has definitely moved into Washington...Barnum & Bailey live in the White House!  Should be something to watch the UFC on the south lawn.  This is like out of some crazy ass satirical movie...nope just another day in reality!  Cheers!

 

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/mamdani-reveals-strangest-thing-saw-090547218.html

 

 

[73 Reds]

9 hours ago, Parsad said:

Supersized monstrosity! 

 

What a horrible waste of space...destruction of such a beautiful lawn...and looks stupid compared to the original Mansion!

 

Seems like something Aaron Spelling would have built!  Cheers!

 

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-79-feuds-white-house-154144429.html

Yeah, why build something useful out of otherwise wasted space?    

[Blugolds]

On 11/25/2025 at 6:38 PM, Parsad said:

 

I can understand that sentiment, but many people are ignoring the smaller indicators that something is amiss under the surface.

 

Like Hegseth's recent threats to General Mark Milley...both Constitutional and military law protect the General from Hegseth's threats to court martial him.  Yet, Hegseth threatens to punish a respected military officer who has spent his entire life in service to the country.  The breakdown in due process with migrants, citizens, protestors, etc.  The list goes on and on.

 

All this stuff is eroding the guardrails or are attempts to remove the guardrails.  Ignoring this behavior is very dangerous to the country's short-term and long-term well-being.  It doesn't mean the U.S. cannot survive someone like Trump...but his behavior on many issues could undo or undermine what Presidents before him built over 250 years!  Cheers!

 

Miley has been on their "list" for a while now I'm sure...