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[Gregmal]

10 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

I did not say that. 

 

My whole point is that almost nobody had issues with childhood vaccines until Kennedy got involved.  The issue of mandated vs by choice was almost moot because everyone followed the science and the only ones not wanting to vaccinate were so few and far between it didnt really matter much. Now politics has upended science and  its innocent children who will suffer from it. 

It was someone else who made the absurd aids comparison. 
 

But to your suggestion above…do you REALLY believe it was raspy old RFK(another defected old school liberal looney) who caused everyone to be skeptical? Or the medical professionals and public officials and their conduct through out the COVID hoax?

[dwy000]

2 minutes ago, Sweet said:

Then why bring it up?  Just

speak to what we have.

 

I agree Kennedy is a loon.

 

All I did was point out that we in the UK don’t have a mandate and we have a higher rate of uptake than Florida which does.

 

And just because you don’t believe in mandates for all vaccines, it doesn’t mean you suddenly endorse Kennedy’s views.

??? I didnt bring it up.  I responded to you bringing it up in a reply to me. 

[dwy000]

1 minute ago, Gregmal said:

It was someone else who made the absurd aids comparison. 
 

But to your suggestion above…do you REALLY believe it was raspy old RFK(another defected old school liberal looney) who caused everyone to be skeptical? Or the medical professionals and public officials and their conduct through out the COVID hoax?

There was certainly increased scrutiny following covid but that was dying down until the leading proponent of conspiracy theories Kennedy got named HHS secretary.  

 

Either way, the ones who get harmed in all this are the kids. 

[Gregmal]

3 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

There was certainly increased scrutiny following covid but that was dying down until the leading proponent of conspiracy theories Kennedy got named HHS secretary.  

 

Either way, the ones who get harmed in all this are the kids. 

Kennedy, a career scumbag politician, which precedes his status as a career liberal sleazeball, saw there was a huge group of vaccine skeptics following the disgraceful covid antics, and simply capitalized on the momentum of the opportunity. I think Trump realized he could market that, but I have a hard time really believing that many folks really take anything ole Bobby says seriously. 

[NnnnotSoSmart]

1 hour ago, changegonnacome said:

 

Hence the pardon of CZ from Binance infamy last week....who by volume and value was probably the most successful money launderer or certainly knowing enabler of money laundering of all time via Binance International....and money laundering is being kind.....if anybody ever cared to look at the Federal FinCen Binance documents (i did) you'd see that CZ sat on top of organization that through willful ignorance of basic AML facilitated transactions involving terrorist organizations, ransomware, child sexual exploitation material, frauds, and various scams.

 

Trump's pardons are for sale or recklessly stupid or both.....because CZ is not a candidate for pardon yet here we are! Disgusting really - no coincidence I suppose that a few short months ago Binance agreed to have equity investment from the Middle East in it funded via Trump's USD1 stablecoin.....$400m I believe it was effectively put on deposit into Donald Trump Bank (USD1)....what a coincidence!

Please point us to your previous objections to the long list of pardons given to  (murderers, drug dealers, drug abusers, tax evaders, gun law violators, traitors, embezzlers, bank fraudsters, criminal family members, vaccine fraudsters, etc.. ) by our former president Joe Biden:

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-joseph-biden-2021-2025

Edited October 28, 2025 by NnnnotSoSmart

[Sweet]

18 minutes ago, dwy000 said:

??? I didnt bring it up.  I responded to you bringing it up in a reply to me. 

You spoke about aids and Ebola dwy the page over lol.

 

lets just move on

[Sweet]

5 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Kennedy, a career scumbag politician, which precedes his status as a career liberal sleazeball, saw there was a huge group of vaccine skeptics following the disgraceful covid antics, and simply capitalized on the momentum of the opportunity. I think Trump realized he could market that, but I have a hard time really believing that many folks really take anything ole Bobby says seriously. 

Unfortunately Greg, my wife who is Master educated got the jitters about vaccines recently but I made sure my boy got them.

[cubsfan]

17 minutes ago, NnnnotSoSmart said:

Please point us to your objections to the long list of pardons of  (murderers, drug dealers, drug abusers, tax evaders, gun law violators, traitors, embezzlers, bank fraudsters, criminal family members, vaccine fraudsters, etc.. ) issued by our former president Joe Biden:

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-joseph-biden-2021-2025

 

Heck, just wait until Joe's autopen is scrutinized.

 

 

[Gregmal]

1 hour ago, Sweet said:

Unfortunately Greg, my wife who is Master educated got the jitters about vaccines recently but I made sure my boy got them.

Yea it's unfortunate, but the science nerds and public servants sold out the common man during the pandemic. The dorks got their 15 minutes of fame and the politicians and grifters made their fortunes..and today we see the repercussions of that. 

[Spekulatius]

4 hours ago, changegonnacome said:

 

Hence the pardon of CZ from Binance infamy last week....who by volume and value was probably the most successful money launderer or certainly knowing enabler of money laundering of all time via Binance International....and money laundering is being kind.....if anybody ever cared to look at the Federal FinCen Binance documents (i did) you'd see that CZ sat on top of organization that through willful ignorance of basic AML facilitated transactions involving terrorist organizations, ransomware, child sexual exploitation material, frauds, and various scams.

 

Trump's pardons are for sale or recklessly stupid or both.....because CZ is not a candidate for pardon yet here we are! Disgusting really - no coincidence I suppose that a few short months ago Binance agreed to have equity investment from the Middle East in it funded via Trump's USD1 stablecoin.....$400m I believe it was effectively put on deposit into Donald Trump Bank (USD1)....what a coincidence!

Crypto is so tailor made for money laundering and bribery . Now every politician can start a shitcoin and then the donor buys it for “ investment” but really for access and it’s now all open and legal. Funneling cash to politicians was possible before but you needed secret bank account or cash envelopes or a legit looking consulting job (had to leave office for that though) and can get caught.

There is no getting caught any more be used it’s legal and in the open. This is going to kick off an other race to to bottom in terms of corruption which started when SuperPAC’s were allowed by the supreme (or should I say subprime court).

 

Edited October 29, 2025 by Spekulatius

[changegonnacome]

1 hour ago, Spekulatius said:

There is no getting caught any more be used it’s legal and in the open. This is going to kick off an other race to to bottom in terms of corruption which started when SuperPAC’s were allowed by the supreme (r should ai say subprime)  court.

 

 

Yeah crypto + Citzens United decision is a perfect example of a lollapalooza that Munger talked about.....first you let unlimited money into your political system and then you kinda let a fringe scammy industry built on unfettered speculation, pyramids schemes, insider trading and pump & dumps become a little too large for soceitys own good...and before you know it an industry that is yet to put a product or service into my hand as consumer after 17yrs of blockchain (which is a proxy IMO for real societal value creation) gets or most certainly significantly helps the next President of the United States get elected.....and before you know it the President of the United States and the first lady are effectively running digital boiler rooms (meme coins) while waltzing into the White House and letting that 'industry' rip. What a time to be alive.

Edited October 29, 2025 by changegonnacome

[Spekulatius]

37 minutes ago, changegonnacome said:

 

Yeah crypto + Citzens United decision is a perfect example of a lollapalooza that Munger talked about.....first you let unlimited money into your political system and then you kinda let a fringe scammy industry built on unfettered speculation, pyramids schemes, insider trading and pump & dumps become a little too large for soceitys own good...and before you know it an industry that is yet to put a product or service into my hand as consumer after 17yrs of blockchain (which is a proxy IMO for real societal value creation) gets or most certainly significantly helps the next President of the United States get elected.....and before you know it the President of the United States and the first lady are effectively running digital boiler rooms (meme coins) while waltzing into the White House and letting that 'industry' rip. What a time to be alive.

This won’t be over once a Trump leaves the White house. Abu Dhabi , UAE, the Saudis , your favorite American Oligarch, Putin, Xi Jinping can you buy American politicians on the blockchain. Totally legal. They just need to offer bribery coins for sale. We are so screwed.

[LC]

Politics, or the art of making sure anything which everyone agrees on, never happens!

[LC]

1 hour ago, Spekulatius said:

This won’t be over once a Trump leaves the White house

 

Calling it here first: Ivanka 2028

 

 

[Parsad]

19 hours ago, Sweet said:

Are you guys deliberately missing the point?

 

It’s not about the science or the efficacy of vaccines but whether it is mandated.

 

The UK doesn’t have a mandate and yet from a quick look at the stats more kids here have their childhood shots than Florida where it was mandated.

 

That's because if your children do not get vaccines in the UK, the many not be able to attend schools in many regions...thus the high vaccination rate in children even though not mandated.  Florida doesn't restrict attendance.  Cheers!

[Parsad]

13 hours ago, Milu said:

Has the vaccine rate been high in the USA historically and has only now dropped due to the current government, if so then you may have a point, if not then I don't think the argument works.

 

Ireland also doesn't have any mandatory vaccines yet our vaccination rates are very good, I suspect this is the same for many other developed countries.

 

For a country that is supposedly the land of the free there seems to be a lot of talk about dictating what people can and can't do. There was a lot of similar "we know what's best for you" mindset by certain political leaders during covid too (lockdowns, vaccine mandates etc) yet I don't think there was any statistically significant differences in the death rates in heavily restricted places like California vs unrestricted places like Sweden.

 

We need to give people the freedom to make their own decisions, most people will make the rational decision, and a small proportion won't, just have to accept that. What would you like to do, pin these people down and jab a needle in their arm, banish them from society?

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/state-stats/deaths/covid19.html

 

Can't speak for Sweden, but you can see from the map that the more restrictive states had fewer deaths as the pandemic spread and the years went by.  Pretty simple case!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

15 hours ago, Gregmal said:

That’s the thing; I don’t give two shits what’s other people do. I make my own choices for the circle that I have some control over. Otherwise I mind my own business and respect the rights of others to do the same. 
 

If I ever had more than marginal concerns about the state of things, I’d consider leaving, which is something I’ve already done once. 

 

Ok, so if a drunk driver drove into your family, you don't give two shits?  What if your wife didn't give two shits and said seatbelts are for the oppressed...our kids don't need to wear them anymore?  How about if your neighbor came over and took a dump on your doorstep...you wouldn't give two shits?

 

People only give two shits once it directly affects them and their family...otherwise they don't give two shits because that oppresses freedom!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

15 hours ago, KJP said:

 

I think everyone agrees with that point until a person's decisions start to have negative consequences for others.  The debate is over when the negative consequences for others are so large that the individual's freedom must be restricted to prevent those consequences.

 

Several seemingly (I may be misinterpreting their views) pro-mandate commenters above referred to "classmates."  I assume they are referred to something like the following scenario:

 

1.  There is a dangerous childhood disease X.  There is a vaccine for X whose efficacy is inversely correlated with population vaccination rate such that the vaccine essentially eradicates the disease at 90+% population vaccination rate and is much less effective at only 75-80% population vaccination rate such that there will be substantial outbreaks and deaths among both vaccinated and unvaccinated children at those population vaccination rates.  

 

2. 75% of the population is very pro-vaccine and would get their children vaccinated regardless of any mandate.  5% of the population is very opposed to vaccinations and refuses.  The remaining 20% would vaccinate their children if there was a mandate but generally wouldn't there was no mandate.

 

In this scenario, the pro-vaccine people believe that they are being denied a significant portion of the benefits of vaccines unless there is a mandate.  And they believe the potential consequences of someone else's choice -- the death of children, including their own -- are so significant as to restrict the freedom that they would otherwise allow others.  An anti-mandate view is talking past the pro-mandate view if it does not work through the issues raised by the scenario above.

 

I have deliberately used "disease X" and highly stylized facts to avoid getting bogged down in a factual debate about any particular vaccination.  

 

I'm also leaving out the further complication of the US being a federal republic in which different states can have different laws, which in theory allows people to select into the laws they favor, which may be the most practical solution of all.

 

 

+1!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

15 hours ago, dwy000 said:

 

I dont remember vaccine arguments coming up much at all in the last 25 years until we put a nut job in charge of HHS.

 

+1!  It was a complete non-issue until Ivermectin, bleach and Robert F. Kennedy appeared.  Even Trump has gotten all of his vaccinations since the beginning of the Pandemic...yet facts and reason fall by the wayside to morons and their bullshit!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

14 hours ago, Gregmal said:

Their problem, not mine.
 

5 years ago we went on an 8 month family road trip; staying at $800 a night hotels for $100 and eating a great restaurants because they were abandoned by uneducated folks and virtue signalers. We avoided being persecuted for exercising these freedoms because we left authoritarian states that were abusing people’s constitutionally given “rights” due to a manufactured “crisis”. At one point what we were doing wasn’t even consensus like it is now. Everyone lies in the bed they make for themselves.
 

Bottom line, if your answer to every problem is “the government”….you’re a loser who deserves to be mocked, ridiculed, and at no point, ever taken seriously.  

 

Try that next time if it ends up being something far deadlier than Covid.  Cheers!

[Parsad]

14 hours ago, dwy000 said:

Stupid people need to be told what to do.  

 

Exactly!!!!  The problem is stupid people dont know they're stupid.  Nobody would care if stupid people only harmed themselves.  Its when stupid people harm others that laws tend to pop up to stop it.  So if people find those laws to be restrictive, maybe they just fall on the wrong side of stupid. 

 

Hilarious!  ROTFLMAO!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

14 hours ago, Milu said:

I've never heard of a requirement for vaccination to attend school here. I asked chatgpt and got this answer.

 

"In Ireland, you do not have to be vaccinated to attend most schools. Here are the key points:

• The Health Service Executive (HSE) runs a free “School Immunisation Programme” offering various vaccines for children at primary and secondary-school age. HSE.ie+2HSE.ie+2

• Vaccination is strongly recommended by the Department of Health and health-authorities, but it is not mandatory for school entry. Citizens Information+2IMJ+2

• Schools may ask for immunisation records for inclusion in the school immunisation programme, but cannot legally refuse admission solely on the basis that a child is unvaccinated. "

For clarity I am generally pro vaccine and myself, wife and kids, have the whatever the general ones you get when you are a baby. We don't bother getting flu vaccines each year but not because of any anti-vax stance etc. If I found out that some kids in my childs school weren't vaccinated I don't have much a problem with it, not sure how I'd ever find out anyway.

 

In summary 

Vaccines 

Mandatory Vaccine 

 

 

 

https://www.unicef.org/eca/media/39561/file/European Region reports highest number of measles cases in more than 25 years.pdf

 

Page 5...it's pretty clear that countries that mandate childhood vaccinations or encourage childhood vaccinations (and hit a greater than 90% rate) have extremely low levels of measles.  Ireland for the last few years has fallen well below 90%, thus the increase in incidence rate. 

 

I don't care whether a government mandates a vaccine or not...but citizens should not be oblivious to the statistical facts backing science and not hearsay!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

8 hours ago, Gregmal said:

Kennedy, a career scumbag politician, which precedes his status as a career liberal sleazeball, saw there was a huge group of vaccine skeptics following the disgraceful covid antics, and simply capitalized on the momentum of the opportunity. I think Trump realized he could market that, but I have a hard time really believing that many folks really take anything ole Bobby says seriously. 

 

No, they probably don't.  But once you are made the head of the HHS, a significant amount of credibility is undeservedly earned.  Not too mention the sheer amount of power he has now to fuck things up and get more people killed...which he is moving forward with!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

8 hours ago, cubsfan said:

 

Heck, just wait until Joe's autopen is scrutinized.

 

 

 

Problem is that Trumpie pardoned just as many scumbags and used his gigantic Sharpie!  

 

Not sure why anyone would be proud of either President's antics!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

3 hours ago, LC said:

 

Calling it here first: Ivanka 2028

 

 

 

More likely Jared!  He came across far better than Don Jr. or Eric on 60 Minutes...I think Ivanka would be happier as a First Lady.  Could also be Little Marco.  Cheers!