John Hjorth Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 1 hour ago, cubsfan said: Too common sense for many to understand. I agree with @Gamecock-YT here, above. Mike [ @cubsfan ], It's a behavioral problem - of yours - while discussing in this topic. Have you even thought about how you're actual phrasing of the content of your posts lately appear condecensing and patronizing, all while you - constantly, on and on - ignore and disregard the points brought up several times, by several CofB&F members, including me, about the trustworthyness of Putin, ref. the concept of 'lasting peace'. In short, you're by many European CofB&F members and others considered naive, short term, or both.
Ulti Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/ukraine-must-guarantee-its-own-security another opinion that has come up with the same conclusion
cubsfan Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 1 minute ago, John Hjorth said: I agree with @Gamecock-YT here, above. Mike [ @cubsfan ], It's a behavioral problem - of yours - while discussing in this topic. Have you even thought about how you're actual phrasing of the content of your posts lately appear condecensing and patronizing, all while you - constantly, on and on - ignore and disregard the points brought up several times, by several CofB&F members, including me, about the trustworthyness of Putin, ref. the concept of 'lasting peace'. In short, you're by many European CofB&F members and others considered naive, short term, or both. John - I could care less what you think. I have never trusted Putin or praised him. But feel free to show me where I have said that - please do it. Don't lecture me on a "lasting peace" when you refuse to address the issue of "How this war will get won?" You refuse to address the issue of - how many more need to die? and Whose sons and daughters will die in combat? Will it be the Danish, English, French, American's lives sacrificed in the meat grinder? Or will it be a whole generation of Ukrainians that are left, as Ukraine is clearly running out of men? You refuse to address this at all - even after I gave you Mark Rutte and his opinion about Europe stepping up and taking the lead on the protection against a mortal enemy sitting on Europe's borders.
John Hjorth Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 Awesome entertainment! For your information : Andreas Mogensen is Danish [, like me].
Castanza Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 What exactly is lasting peace? A generation or two if you’re lucky? Peace is a myth imo. Which is worse? Unsatisfactory terms for Ukraine but an end to the bloodshed in the near term? Or continued bloodshed with support increased allied support and possible escalation? A lot of ways this could go with either path imo. Ukraine should definitely be at the table though. My opinions on how this all started are known, but pulling the rug on support after years is not wise imo. Wisdom is found in the council of many….
cubsfan Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 5 minutes ago, Castanza said: What exactly is lasting peace? A generation or two if you’re lucky? Peace is a myth imo. Which is worse? Unsatisfactory terms for Ukraine but an end to the bloodshed in the near term? Or continued bloodshed with support increased allied support and possible escalation? A lot of ways this could go with either path imo. Ukraine should definitely be at the table though. My opinions on how this all started are known, but pulling the rug on support after years is not wise imo. Wisdom is found in the council of many…. Ukraine needs to agree to any satisfactory proposal. They are not dealing from a position of strength unless the Europeans wish to take this war over. Ukraine is clearly losing the war. The Europeans can easily scuttle any deal they think might happen - and they should if they feel that strongly. The harsh reality is that Ukraine is running out of men - no one wants to address this. No one.
John Hjorth Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 19 minutes ago, cubsfan said: John - I could care less what you think. I have never trusted Putin or praised him. But feel free to show me where I have said that - please do it. Don't lecture me on a "lasting peace" when you refuse to address the issue of "How this war will get won?" You refuse to address the issue of - how many more need to die? and Whose sons and daughters will die in combat? Will it be the Danish, English, French, American's lives sacrificed in the meat grinder? Or will it be a whole generation of Ukrainians that are left, as Ukraine is clearly running out of men? You refuse to address this at all - even after I gave you Mark Rutte and his opinion about Europe stepping up and taking the lead on the protection against a mortal enemy sitting on Europe's borders. Thank you, Mike [ @cubsfan ], Now we're getting somewhere, so I can understand you. In fact, I personally think we now disagree much less than what was perhaps apperant before your last post above. This is most of all an European issue, and the European countries need to step up to it - absolutely immedially. Your POTUS is out of line and going rogue here by now. I'll elaborate later.
JoJo1 Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 23 hours ago, Parsad said: You guys are fucking retards, believing everything Trump spews in his vitriolic posts! https://www.csis.org/analysis/where-missing-100-billion-us-aid-ukraine He wants Zelensky gone now because Zelensky wouldn't provide shit on the Bidens. The fact that you guys are even mildly enthused and believe that Putin is anything but a fucking maniac is beyond me! I never thought I would see this shit happen in the United States, but it is...anything can happen these days and fiction has become fact! Cheers! Would you read company analysis from such professionals?
John Hjorth Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 6 minutes ago, JoJo1 said: Would you read company analysis from such professionals? @JoJo1, You obviously have no idea of what you are asking about here, lol!
Libs Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 https://brusselssignal.eu/2025/02/europe-checkmate/ A sobering assessment of Europe's position. Would be interested in others' opinions on this article. Too dour?
JoJo1 Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 15 minutes ago, John Hjorth said: @JoJo1, You obviously have no idea of what you are asking about here, lol! for sure?
cubsfan Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 15 minutes ago, Libs said: https://brusselssignal.eu/2025/02/europe-checkmate/ A sobering assessment of Europe's position. Would be interested in others' opinions on this article. Too dour? Great article discussing the issues few wish to face: Given Europe's extensive GDP, resources and manpower - why are they not preparing for the future after 3 years of seeing the worst threat to the continent since 1945?
Castanza Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/war-on-the-rocks/id682478916 Last 3 have been very solid.
Sweet Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 14 minutes ago, cubsfan said: Great article discussing the issues few wish to face: Given Europe's extensive GDP, resources and manpower - why are they not preparing for the future after 3 years of seeing the worst threat to the continent since 1945? Cubs, with respect, MANY have been saying exactly that for years. It’s not a ‘few’ who have called this out. Why the leaders of European nations have not taken decisive action is the question that ‘few’ have the answers to. I was once told by a guy who worked for intelligence, that Russians have been funding and infiltrating the green movement in Europe. Net zero and deindustrialisation weakens Europe and relatively strengthens Russia. Who knows for sure though.
John Hjorth Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 1 minute ago, JoJo1 said: for sure? @JoJo1, Please do your own individual check up on posts from active participants in the discussion in this topic and compare it with such members' contributions in topics in the CofB&F Investment Ideas forum. If you need some practical guidance about how to do, please feel free to send me a private message about it. - - - o 0 o - - - The variant perceptions presented here in this topic aren't really an expression of some CofB&F members in one certain 'opinion camp' lacking knowledge, competencies, nor qualifications etc. - - - o 0 o - - - -And btw, here, a belated welcome to you!
Xerxes Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 6 hours ago, Sweet said: I think a coalition government formed in 1940 in response to the war, I don’t think there was even a leader of the opposition. These norms tend to go out the window in wartime. Also the Gold-U.S.D.-pound peg was temporarily broken off during 1914-18, to allow the printing press to fund the war machine. You do what it takes
John Hjorth Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 22 minutes ago, cubsfan said: ... Given Europe's extensive GDP, resources and manpower - why are they not preparing for the future after 3 years of seeing the worst threat to the continent since 1945? Mike [ @cubsfan ], You're simply right. It has been dumb, naive and also reckless, I would say since 2014 [Crimea]. But you have to follow and track the extreme and violent changes going on by now, some of them by WARP speed.
JoJo1 Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 POTUS is an idiot. Putin will never, ever give a cent to Trump. Never. And why? Trump gives him everything for a promise, an illusion of cooperation. in the Arctic, pah. If the Germans understand that instead of 11000 cars a day they can also build 100 tanks, 10 million drones, optics, laser and horny, small robots, a day; finally organize 20 satellite launches every week again ... and if the Germans then talk intensively with their Jewish friends about military technology, laser, quantum optics, I see potential there. It's time too. who needs a tesla if can having a bmw. Petersburg and Moskau, end of russia
cubsfan Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 18 minutes ago, Sweet said: Cubs, with respect, MANY have been saying exactly that for years. It’s not a ‘few’ who have called this out. Why the leaders of European nations have not taken decisive action is the question that ‘few’ have the answers to. I was once told by a guy who worked for intelligence, that Russians have been funding and infiltrating the green movement in Europe. Net zero and deindustrialisation weakens Europe and relatively strengthens Russia. Who knows for sure though. I agree with you 100%. Europe needs new leadership.
james22 Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 Funny how this is still so hard for some to understand. Trump’s statements are not intended to be historically accurate but to shock Europeans into action.
John Hjorth Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 Enjoy your fun, James [ @james22 ], Reuters - World - Europe [February 20th 2025] : Exclusive: US refusing to co-sponsor UN motion backing Ukraine ahead of war anniversary, diplomats say. Why do you consider it funny that someone reacting to that they can't take the words of your POTUS at par? What is actually funny about that?
Parsad Posted February 21, 2025 Posted February 21, 2025 7 hours ago, John Hjorth said: I agree with @Gamecock-YT here, above. Mike [ @cubsfan ], It's a behavioral problem - of yours - while discussing in this topic. Have you even thought about how you're actual phrasing of the content of your posts lately appear condecensing and patronizing, all while you - constantly, on and on - ignore and disregard the points brought up several times, by several CofB&F members, including me, about the trustworthyness of Putin, ref. the concept of 'lasting peace'. In short, you're by many European CofB&F members and others considered naive, short term, or both. +1! Cheers!
Spekulatius Posted February 21, 2025 Posted February 21, 2025 (edited) 4 hours ago, JoJo1 said: POTUS is an idiot. Putin will never, ever give a cent to Trump. Never. And why? Trump gives him everything for a promise, an illusion of cooperation. in the Arctic, pah. If the Germans understand that instead of 11000 cars a day they can also build 100 tanks, 10 million drones, optics, laser and horny, small robots, a day; finally organize 20 satellite launches every week again ... and if the Germans then talk intensively with their Jewish friends about military technology, laser, quantum optics, I see potential there. It's time too. who needs a tesla if can having a bmw. Petersburg and Moskau, end of russia This is in German but if you understand the language the it’s worthwhile. It from the CEO of Rheinmetal and pretty impressive. Had clearly says they can build a lot of Lynx vehicles , air defense system that make short work of drones etc. They have capacity to produce 1M rounds of artillery ammo and are building factory in the Ukraine in JV’s. They have a blanket order to build 100 Lynx for Italy and build 150/ year but that’s because the order is structured that way and they could easily build twice as much. I think Germany has better means to quickly ramp up weapons manufacturing on an industrial scale than the US quite frankly. There is an amazing about of resources available. I know for example Thales a bit and they have deeper internalized manufacturing integration than US aerospace cos like Boeing and other defense primes. It can be a bit of a hindrance to some extend and does not comply with the asset light operating model of the US primes but it does allow them to remap better and make them more resilient in term of supply chains. There is a tremendous amount of technical , industrial and financial resources that Europe can draw from but it takes a common vision and political will to do so. FWIW, Rheinmetal stock is close to a 20x bagger from the COVID-19 lows. Edited February 21, 2025 by Spekulatius
Spekulatius Posted February 21, 2025 Posted February 21, 2025 (edited) Stranger things going on: Apparently X has deleted the Tweets. Another win for free speech. Edited February 21, 2025 by Spekulatius
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