Leaving New York City

[james22]

1 hour ago, dwy000 said:

That's not the flex you think it is. 

 

Denying reality isn't the virtue you think it is.

[cubsfan]

8 minutes ago, james22 said:

 

Denying reality isn't the virtue you think it is.

 

Many people are in denial of the destruction of great American cities.

Progressivism is a real disease.

[dwy000]

28 minutes ago, cubsfan said:

 

Many people are in denial of the destruction of great American cities.

Progressivism is a real disease.

That's been the claim for 200 years and yet cities continue to grow.

[cubsfan]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ex-new-yorkers-reveal-why-joined-150k-exodus-fleeing-nyc-florida

 

The only thing I can say is Chicago is worse.

 

 

Edited May 3, 2025 by cubsfan

[dwy000]

Just now, cubsfan said:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ex-new-yorkers-reveal-why-joined-150k-exodus-fleeing-nyc-florida

 

 

We already discussed this.  Florida will always have a net inflow because people move there to retire and die.  NYC continues to grow and thrive. 

[Spekulatius]

On 5/2/2025 at 2:14 PM, dwy000 said:

This is the forever trend in NYC.  Young people come in and as they age and make a ton of money they eventually move out. Note the article points out that most were going to NYC suburbs in long island, Connecticut and NJ.  And then retire to Florida.  To be replaced by the next round of young people.

The trend was always there to move to cheaper, warmer and less perhaps less hectic locations, but it still does not make sense to encourage people who are on the fence to do so. Same with MA and their millionaires income tax. This thinking is short sighted since rich people have options to move elsewhere while poorer people tend to be stuck.

[whatstheofficerproblem]

On 5/5/2025 at 3:58 PM, Spekulatius said:

This thinking is short sighted since rich people have options to move elsewhere while poorer people tend to be stuck.

 

I agree with this 100%. I visit family in Iowa every Christmas, given the median age there it always breaks my heart to see the old folks around try to shovel the snow with much pain. The kids visit like once a year so I asked some of the neighbors why they put themselves through all of this painstaking labor at their age, while the prospects of moving to Florida is something that crossed their minds, they just couldn't afford it.

 

It should also be noted that moving becomes an even bigger hurdle as you age. At 60 they simply can't just start from scratch in a totally different state. I'm in my early twenties and even I find it a pain to relocate just miles away when a lease ends.

 

There is also some sentimental value at play here. Most of the folks I talked to were either farmers or worked at Deere. The house they're living in was their first home and they've been there most of their lives, raised their children there and so on or was passed down from their fathers. When you've been accustomed to a feeling of 'home' it gets very emotional and hard to part with it. This is not the case with rich folks who are usually accustomed to a nomadic lifestyle.

[dwy000]

1 hour ago, whatstheofficerproblem said:

 

I agree with this 100%. I visit family in Iowa every Christmas, given the median age there it always breaks my heart to see the old folks around try to shovel the snow with much pain. The kids visit like once a year so I asked some of the neighbors why they put themselves through all of this painstaking labor at their age, while the prospects of moving to Florida is something that crossed their minds, they just couldn't afford it.

 

It should also be noted that moving becomes an even bigger hurdle as you age. At 60 they simply can't just start from scratch in a totally different state. I'm in my early twenties and even I find it a pain to relocate just miles away when a lease ends.

 

There is also some sentimental value at play here. Most of the folks I talked to were either farmers or worked at Deere. The house they're living in was their first home and they've been there most of their lives, raised their children there and so on or was passed down from their fathers. When you've been accustomed to a feeling of 'home' it gets very emotional and hard to part with it. This is not the case with rich folks who are usually accustomed to a nomadic lifestyle.

This is all very true for most places but not really NYC.  Given the cost of living in NYC, few people are "stuck" there because they can't afford to move.  In fact if youre poor, moving might be your best bet.  Also, more than anywhere else (except maybe LA), most of the people there have come to the city from somewhere else.  The people born in NYC who live there all their lives and then die there are few and far between. It's very transient. 

[texual]

I'm thinking of moving back to NYC as time and my income grows.

Perhaps there is an ebb-and-flow to these things. 

 

Just over 5 years ago I left NYC to enjoy a bucolic lifestyle and higher pay.

As time goes on and I've done well, there is an appeal to the city, as I can afford to enjoy it in ways I could never had I stayed. I now seek wider intellectual and cultural sophistication. Nothing including frequent travel or the odd-gem town/city anywhere else can replace living in NYC.

 

Time and money makes all the difference.

Edited May 8, 2025 by texual

[Castanza]

Different strokes for different folks. Cities are cultural hubs and NYC is top of the pile and likely will be for a long long time. For every person who is fed up with city life you have another itching to “make it in the Big Apple”. Things ebb and flow. My wife’s cousin moved to NYC and lives on shoe strings and bubble gum. Sells balloons, paints murals and does commercial acting. Literally barely makes it. But she loves it. Plenty of free things to do around the city and if you have a solid friend group with a similar lifestyle then I guess that’s enough. Personally I wouldn’t want to love there unless I could “take more advantage” of what NYC offers from a financial point of view. My elderly neighbors kid is a surgeon and so is his wife. They live upper east side right along Central Park. They had a kid same time as my wife and I so when they come to town we usually get together. Their lifestyle doesn’t sound bad at all including the opportunities they have with their kid. 
 

It’s what you make of it and what resources you have to leverage your opportunity imo. 
 

Family is also a big reason a lot of people don’t move. I heard something recently that made me think more about that. For people who move away from family and see their parents once a year I think a lot of people look past potential of only seeing your parents 10-15 times before they pass. I’m close with my family so I wouldn’t want that. But some don’t mind I guess. I’d much rather have a lcol base and travel more 

Edited May 8, 2025 by Castanza

[james22]

More than at any other time in New York’s history, parent money shapes our culture. 

 

https://archive.ph/OAUG1#selection-1641.612-1645.21

 

 

 

https://archive.ph/rBTkC

[rkbabang]

I think this topic will likely become more active again in the coming years.

[Eldad]

14 hours ago, rkbabang said:

I think this topic will likely become more active again in the coming years.

Yep May have decided to double down on the dumb with Mamdani. 

[villainx]

Mamdani's mom is the Mira Nair.  

 

My mind is blown.

[Marco Van Basten]

14 minutes ago, villainx said:

Mamdani's mom is the Mira Nair.  

 

My mind is blown.

Why are you surprised?  A lot of these film actors/directors are very left wing.  They don't realize that while they would still do the same thing if their tax rate went from 40% to 80%, most people are not paid what they are paid and work for the money.  You reduce or eliminate incentive to work, and most people stop working.  Same thing with university professors - they pursue their hobbies and get paid to do so, and they will do so whether the tax rate is 20% or 80%.  Meanwhile, garbage collectors, toilet cleaners, grocery store clerks, plumbers, etc.. will not work if you eliminate incentive to work by either providing generous welfare or by drastically increasing taxes.   

 

[villainx]

2 hours ago, Marco Van Basten said:

Why are you surprised? 

 

Oh, just that Mira is a great, great director.  

[Marco Van Basten]

7 hours ago, villainx said:

 

Oh, just that Mira is a great, great director.  

May be she should have focused on raising a child that knew history and had common sense.  Then he would not advocate for abolishing police and prisons (the program of Democratic Socialists.)

[John Hjorth]

31 minutes ago, Marco Van Basten said:

May be she should have focused on raising a child that knew history and had common sense.  Then he would not advocate for abolishing police and prisons (the program of Democratic Socialists.)

 

The ol' $MS 'WYSIWYG' acronym comes to mind related to the New Yorkers.

[Marco Van Basten]

58 minutes ago, John Hjorth said:

 

The ol' $MS 'WYSIWYG' acronym comes to mind related to the New Yorkers.

John, for the benefit of idiots among us, can you dumb it down?  

[John Hjorth]

10 minutes ago, Marco Van Basten said:

John, for the benefit of idiots among us, can you dumb it down?  

 

Sure, lol!, @Marco Van Basten,

 

WYSIWYG : 'What You See Is What You Get' [from the MS launch of Windows], so it is also  in democracies, no need for having pitty with the majority if an election outcome is considered a calamity, the majority got what it voted for,  -the issue is for the minority! 

Edited June 27, 2025 by John Hjorth

[Eldad]

2 hours ago, John Hjorth said:

 

Sure, lol!, @Marco Van Basten,

 

WYSIWYG : 'What You See Is What You Get' [from the MS launch of Windows], so it is also  in democracies, no need for having pitty with the majority if an election outcome is considered a calamity, the majority got what it voted for,  -the issue is for the minority! 

True. At least he isn’t pretending to be more moderate like so many others. 

[Spekulatius]

On 5/7/2025 at 7:29 PM, whatstheofficerproblem said:

It should also be noted that moving becomes an even bigger hurdle as you age. At 60 they simply can't just start from scratch in a totally different state.

Why not? I am almost 60 and that’s what I did. It’s easier when the kid(s) is in college anyways. Easier than shoveling snow for the rest of your life for sure.

[whatstheofficerproblem]

2 hours ago, Spekulatius said:

Why not? I am almost 60 and that’s what I did. It’s easier when the kid(s) is in college anyways. Easier than shoveling snow for the rest of your life for sure.

 

Lucky you Spek. The folks I've met, their bodies are not what they used to be a few years ago. The mental aspect of moving is not an issue, it's physically draining. Then there is also the aspect of moving around enough to get to know the town you live in. I find it really amusing what 3 years can do to your body once you're older than 40.

[Marco Van Basten]

If you live in NYC, buying a house in a nice suburb right now is very cheap insurance.  If Mr Mamdani gets elected and implements even 5% of his agenda (opening prisons, abolishing police, et all), tens of thousands of households will flee NYC.  Some will go elsewhere, but a vast majority will have to stay in commuting suburbs.  So call it 25,000 families.  However, inventory in the state of NJ, CT, Long Island and Westchester is: 37,520 units, and that includes towns that are not desirable, and towns that are 2 hours away commute one way, so not really practicable.  

My guess is that housing prices in the commuting suburbs of NYC will scream higher.  

[gfp]

What about you Marco?  Do you already live in the suburbs or do you live in the big city?