NoCalledStrikes Posted Thursday at 03:24 PM Posted Thursday at 03:24 PM I just looked at an insurance ETF, https://etfdb.com/etf/IAK/#price-and-volume, its pretty flat for the year. BRK.b off a couple percent this year doesn't strike me as a big move especially while undergoing a management changeover. MKL is down more, but I don't know anyone who think it has better prospects than FFH.
patterson Posted Thursday at 04:12 PM Posted Thursday at 04:12 PM I wonder how much of Fairfax's recent price action is simply the market's expectation of, and reaction to, rising interest rates? Although Fairfax's fixed income duration is much shorter than its peers and will be hurt less by rising rates (not to mention how Bradstreet and team are poised to take advantage), Fairfax marks its bonds to market under IFRS accounting standards, while GAAP insurers do not. Also, Fairfax has more fixed income investments per share than its peers, which magnifies these temporary accounting losses. When you put those factors together, I can see why some short-term oriented investors (like people who bought late last year expecting an index bump) or quants might avoid the stock, even as it presents such an opportunity for those with more patience.
Viking Posted Thursday at 05:51 PM Posted Thursday at 05:51 PM The Outsiders - by William Thorndike: In Search of the Great CEO, Company and Stock - Part I "It is impossible to produce superior performance unless you do something different." John Templeton Among the hundreds of investing and business books published over the years, few have earned the reputation of The Outsiders. Written by William Thorndike and highly recommended by Warren Buffett, the book examines a deceptively simple question: What makes a great CEO — and how can investors identify one before the rest of the market does? The answer challenges much of what investors, business schools, corporate boards, and Wall Street traditionally believe about leadership and corporate success. More than a decade after its publication, The Outsiders remains one of the most valuable studies ever written on capital allocation, leadership, and long-term shareholder value creation. The Study Thorndike approached the problem differently than most business writers. Instead of studying popular CEOs, admired companies, or management theories, he started with a measurable outcome: long-term shareholder returns. His logic was straightforward. If the primary responsibility of a CEO is to create value for owners, then the most useful measure of performance is the return earned by shareholders during that CEO's tenure. To qualify for inclusion, a CEO had to clear two hurdles. First, the company had to generate exceptional returns relative to the broader market. Second, it had to materially outperform industry peers. The second hurdle was particularly important. Companies operating in the same industry are generally dealt a similar hand. They face many of the same competitive pressures, economic conditions, and regulatory constraints. When one company consistently outperforms its peers across multiple business cycles, investors should pay attention. Thorndike also insisted on long measurement periods—typically fifteen years or more. This reduced the role of luck and ensured results reflected decisions made across multiple economic and market cycles. ----------- The Winners Thorndike's search ultimately identified eight extraordinary CEOs: Tom Murphy — Capital Cities Broadcasting Henry Singleton — Teledyne Bill Anders — General Dynamics John Malone — TCI Katharine Graham — Washington Post Bill Stiritz — Ralston Purina Dick Smith — General Cinema Warren Buffett — Berkshire Hathaway Collectively, these CEOs generated shareholder returns of roughly 20% annually over exceptionally long periods while dramatically outperforming both the S&P 500 and their industry peers. The performance was remarkable. What made the study enduring, however, was not the outcome but the pattern behind it. These CEOs operated in different industries, faced different circumstances, and possessed very different personalities. Yet despite those differences, they consistently approached capital allocation in much the same way. That common framework is the real subject of the book. ----------- The North Star: Long-Term Value Per Share The most important lesson from The Outsiders is that all eight CEOs shared the same objective. They focused on maximizing long-term value per share. This sounds obvious, but it is not how most companies are managed. Many CEOs focus on revenue growth, earnings growth, market share, asset growth, or corporate size. While those metrics may matter, they are not the same as creating value for shareholders. A company can grow earnings while destroying value if it issues too many shares, overpays for acquisitions, misuses debt, or reinvests capital at poor returns. Conversely, a company can create substantial shareholder value without becoming significantly larger. The Outsiders understood this distinction. They were not trying to build the biggest company. They were trying to increase the value of each share. That was their North Star. ------------ Capital Allocation: The Mechanism The strongest common thread across all eight CEOs was capital allocation. Thorndike's central conclusion is that a CEO's most important responsibility is not operating the business. It is deciding what to do with the capital the business generates. Every CEO has two jobs. The first is operational: running the business efficiently. The second is financial: allocating capital intelligently. Most executives spend their careers preparing for the first role. Few spend much time preparing for the second. Yet over long periods, capital allocation often has the greater impact on shareholder returns. Capital can be raised through operating cash flow, debt, or equity. It can then be deployed in five basic ways: reinvestment, acquisitions, dividends, debt reduction, or share repurchases. Every dollar can only be used once. The CEO's job is to determine which use creates the greatest increase in long-term value per share. The Outsiders approached these decisions as investors. Acquisitions were not empire-building exercises. Debt was neither inherently good nor bad. Dividends were not sacred. Share repurchases were not automatic. Every decision was evaluated through the same lens: price, value, alternatives, and expected return. At its core, capital allocation is simply the process of exchanging one asset for another and asking: How much value are we giving up, and how much value are we receiving in return? ----------- Why Most CEOs Struggle with Get Capital Allocation Thorndike's work is important because capital allocation is a surprisingly rare skill. Most CEOs spend their careers learning how to operate businesses, not allocate capital. They learn how to manage people, improve operations, grow sales, and execute strategy. Those abilities are essential. But they are not the same as deciding whether to repurchase stock, issue equity, acquire a competitor, pay down debt, or simply hold cash. Buffett and Munger often criticized business schools for teaching finance as a theoretical discipline focused on formulas and models rather than intrinsic value, opportunity cost, and owner-oriented decision making. The Outsiders approached capital allocation differently. They thought like investors first and managers second. Every decision was evaluated from the perspective of the shareholder, not the corporation. That distinction explains much of their success. ------------ The Pattern: A Few Big Decisions Matter One of the more surprising lessons from The Outsiders is that exceptional capital allocation rarely looks busy. The best CEOs were not constantly making deals, restructuring businesses, or announcing major initiatives. In many cases, decades of outperformance could be traced back to a surprisingly small number of decisions. Long periods of patience were often followed by brief periods of decisive action. They waited when opportunities were scarce and moved aggressively when the odds shifted decisively in their favour. That combination of patience and conviction appeared repeatedly throughout Thorndike's study. It is also one of the clearest lessons for investors today. ------------ A Shared Set of Principles Beyond capital allocation, Thorndike identified a common set of principles that appeared repeatedly across the eight Outsider companies. Emphasize Cash Flow Over Accounting Earnings The Outsiders focused on cash flow rather than reported earnings. Their objective was to maximize the cash generated by the business and then allocate that capital intelligently. Strong operations produced more cash. Superior capital allocation compounded it. Over time, the two reinforced one another. Build Decentralized Organizations The Outsiders operated with lean headquarters, flat organizational structures, and empowered front-line managers. Rather than concentrating authority at head office, they pushed decision-making closer to the customer and the business. The benefits were significant. Decentralization encouraged entrepreneurship, rewarded initiative, and attracted managers who thought and acted like owners. Over time, this became a powerful cultural advantage, leading to stronger businesses, lower costs, less bureaucracy, and better operating results. Think Independently These CEOs relied primarily on their own analysis rather than Wall Street opinion, consultants, or conventional wisdom. They were analytical, data-driven, and willing to reach conclusions that differed from the consensus. That independence often allowed them to see opportunities others missed. Practice Disciplined Share Repurchases Few areas better illustrate the difference between Outsider CEOs and conventional managers than share repurchases. Most companies buy back stock when business conditions are strong and valuations are high. The Outsiders often did the opposite. When their shares became materially undervalued, they repurchased stock aggressively and, at times, in extraordinary amounts. Henry Singleton's repurchases at Teledyne remain one of the greatest examples of capital allocation in corporate history. By retiring a massive percentage of the company's shares when they were deeply undervalued, he created enormous value for remaining shareholders. Be Patient with Acquisitions The Outsiders felt no need to be constantly active. They waited for attractive opportunities and acted only when the economics were compelling. When those opportunities appeared, however, they were willing to move decisively and at scale. Use Leverage Intelligently Most of the Outsiders employed leverage at various points in their careers, but they did so thoughtfully and selectively. Some used conventional debt. Others benefited from unique forms of leverage, such as insurance float. In each case, leverage was matched to the predictability of cash flows and the resilience of the underlying business. The Outsiders understood that leverage can amplify both gains and losses. Used recklessly, it can destroy value. Used intelligently, it can significantly enhance long-term returns. Leverage was a tool to increase value per share—not a strategy in itself. How the Principles Worked Together These principles were not independent. They reinforced one another. Strong cash flow created financial flexibility. Decentralization improved operating performance. Independent thinking enabled unconventional decisions. Patience prevented value-destructive acquisitions. Intelligent use of leverage provided additional capital. Together, they formed a coherent system for compounding long-term value per share. ------------ The Personality Traits - A Different Kind of CEO The Outsiders shared more than a common approach to capital allocation. They also shared a remarkably similar temperament. They were not the CEOs who typically attract public attention. Few were described as charismatic visionaries. Most avoided the spotlight and had little interest in cultivating a public image. They spent minimal time with analysts, journalists, and management gurus. Few appeared on magazine covers. None became celebrity CEOs. Instead, they were known for a different set of qualities: rationality, analytical thinking, frugality, pragmatism, flexibility, patience, humility, independence, and integrity. They were opportunistic when circumstances warranted it, contrarian when the facts supported it, and bold when the odds were in their favour. Several came from engineering or quantitative backgrounds. All eight were first-time CEOs. More than half were under forty when they assumed the role. Only two held MBAs. These traits mattered because superior capital allocation often requires making uncomfortable decisions. Repurchasing shares during periods of pessimism, making acquisitions during downturns, holding cash while competitors are expanding, or ignoring prevailing market opinion all require a combination of analytical conviction and emotional discipline. The defining characteristic was independent rationality. For investors, this may be one of Thorndike's most important insights. The Outsiders' advantage was not simply that they understood capital allocation better than their peers. They possessed the temperament required to execute those ideas consistently over decades. They looked ordinary. Their results were extraordinary. Keep reading for Part II
Viking Posted Thursday at 05:56 PM Posted Thursday at 05:56 PM The Outsiders - by William Thorndike: In Search of the Great CEO, Company and Stock - Part II Part II has three components: Conclusion to the article above Appendix: The Outsider Paradox - Top Performance, Cheapest Stock Applying the Outsider Framework to Prem Watsa and Fairfax ------------- The Search for the Next Outsider For investors, the enduring value of The Outsiders is not the stories of eight exceptional CEOs. It is the framework Thorndike developed for identifying them. 1. Start With the Objective The Outsiders focused on a single goal: maximizing long-term value per share. They did not optimize for revenue growth, earnings growth, corporate size, or prestige. Every important decision was evaluated through the lens of whether it increased value on a per-share basis. 2. Evaluate Capital Allocation Capital allocation was their defining skill. How has management invested cash flow? When have they repurchased shares? Have acquisitions been disciplined? Was debt used prudently? Have they issued equity intelligently? Over time, a surprisingly small number of decisions can have an outsized impact on shareholder returns. 3. Look for the Right Principles The Outsiders followed a remarkably consistent playbook. They focused on cash flow rather than accounting earnings, thought independently, repurchased shares aggressively when undervalued, remained patient with acquisitions, and used leverage selectively and intelligently. These principles shaped both operating performance and capital allocation. 4. Study the Culture The Outsiders built decentralized organizations that empowered managers, encouraged entrepreneurship, and rewarded owner-like behaviour. Headquarters remained lean, bureaucracy was minimized, and decision-making was pushed downward. Over time, this culture became a competitive advantage. 5. Assess Temperament Perhaps the most important factor is temperament. The Outsiders were rational, analytical, patient, independent, and willing to be different. They behaved like owners and made decisions based on facts rather than consensus. Thorndike's most important insight may be that exceptional CEOs often do not look exceptional. They are rarely the most charismatic, visible, or celebrated leaders. In fact, many are overlooked because Wall Street tends to focus on quarterly earnings, operating metrics, and short-term forecasts rather than capital allocation and long-term value creation. The irony is that the characteristics that make Outsider CEOs successful often make them difficult to identify. Their companies can be complex, unconventional, and occasionally misunderstood. Yet those same traits frequently create opportunities for patient investors. More than a decade after its publication, The Outsiders remains one of the most useful frameworks available for identifying exceptional management teams and businesses. The challenge is not finding companies that look successful today. It is identifying management teams that can create extraordinary value per share over the next decade. ----------- Appendix: The Outsider Paradox — Top Performance, Cheapest Stock One of the most surprising findings in The Outsiders is that many of the best-performing companies often traded at lower valuations than their peers. At first glance, this seems illogical. If these CEOs were exceptional capital allocators, shouldn't investors have rewarded them with premium valuations? Often, they did not. Different Objectives The explanation lies in a fundamental mismatch between what Outsider CEOs were trying to achieve and how Wall Street typically evaluates companies. Outsider CEOs focused on maximizing long-term value per share. Wall Street focuses primarily on quarterly results. These are not the same thing. Many of the decisions that create the most value over a decade can make short-term results less predictable. Share repurchases, acquisitions, asset sales, tax strategies, balance sheet decisions, and opportunistic investments often take years before their full impact becomes visible. As a result, Outsider-led companies frequently looked different from their peers. They were often more complex, more opportunistic, and less concerned with meeting quarterly expectations. Most importantly, they refused to manage their businesses for appearances. The Capital Allocation Blind Spot Wall Street's analytical framework naturally emphasizes variables that can be measured and modeled quarter by quarter: revenue growth, margins, earnings, underwriting results, and other operating metrics. Capital allocation is different. Its impact is often measured over five or ten years, not five or ten weeks. Yet Thorndike's research suggests that capital allocation decisions frequently have a greater influence on long-term shareholder returns than operating decisions. This creates an uncomfortable reality: one of the most important drivers of long-term performance is also one of the hardest things to analyze. As a result, it often receives less attention than it deserves. Why Discounts Persisted Wall Street prefers businesses that are simple, predictable, conventional, and easy to model. Many Outsider companies were the opposite. Their structures were more complex. Their strategies were unconventional. Their results could be lumpy. And their CEOs typically spent little time cultivating analysts, investors, or the financial media because they viewed those activities as a poor use of time. As a result, these companies were frequently misunderstood, occasionally controversial, and periodically out of favour. That often led to valuations that failed to reflect the quality of the underlying business. The Final Twist Ironically, undervaluation often became another source of shareholder returns. A misunderstood company frequently has a cheap stock. And a cheap stock gives a skilled capital allocator the opportunity to repurchase shares at highly attractive prices. The very characteristics that made Outsider companies difficult for Wall Street to understand often became an additional driver of long-term performance. That is the Outsider Paradox. The qualities that helped these CEOs generate extraordinary long-term returns were often the same qualities that caused their companies to trade at discounts in the first place. In many cases, those discounts did not hinder shareholder returns. They amplified them. ------------- Applying the Outsider Framework to Prem Watsa and Fairfax The value of The Outsiders lies in the framework. William Thorndike identified a set of characteristics that repeatedly appeared in exceptional CEOs and capital allocators. The obvious question for investors is whether those same characteristics can be found in companies today. Fairfax Financial provides an interesting case study. 1. Start with the Objective For more than four decades, Fairfax has focused on growing long-term value per share rather than maximizing earnings, revenue, or corporate size. The results speak for themselves. Fairfax has compounded its share price at approximately 19% annually (US$, including dividends) over forty years. Like the Outsiders, management appears to measure success by the value created for each share rather than the growth of the enterprise itself. This distinction may sound subtle, but it influences every important capital allocation decision the company makes. 2. Evaluate Capital Allocation This is Watsa's defining strength. Thorndike's Outsiders viewed capital allocation as their most important responsibility. Fairfax operates much the same way. Over the past decade, capital has been allocated across insurance operations, fixed income, equities, acquisitions, divestitures, and share repurchases with unusual flexibility and discipline. Larger recent examples include: Acquiring Brit, Allied World, and other insurance businesses during a soft insurance market, effectively doubling the size of the insurance platform. Selling ICICI Lombard in 2017 while simultaneously seeding Digit Insurance, a move that transformed one successful investment into another. Expanding aggressively during the hard insurance market from 2019 to 2025, roughly doubling the size of the insurance business again. Initiating Fairfax total return swaps in late 2020 and early 2021, gaining exposure to 1.96 million Fairfax shares at an average cost of approximately $373 per share. Reducing bond duration ahead of the sharp rise in interest rates in 2022, protecting book value while positioning the company to benefit from higher reinvestment yields. Selling the pet insurance business in 2022 for $1.3 billion, generating an after-tax gain of approximately $1.0 billion. Repurchasing 7.1 million shares over the past 8.25 years, reducing the share count by 25.7%. Holding Eurobank through a multi-year recovery, generating approximately $4.8 billion of value. Monetizing a portion of the Poseidon/Seaspan investment in 2026, realizing an $837 million gain after years of patient ownership. Another characteristic that stands out is Fairfax's willingness to partner with talented operators and capital allocators and then give them significant autonomy. Like many of Thorndike's Outsiders, Watsa appears more interested in allocating capital than managing day-to-day operations. 3. Look for the Right Principles Fairfax consistently exhibits many of the principles Thorndike identified. Management thinks independently, acts opportunistically, focuses on economic value rather than accounting optics, repurchases shares when they trade below intrinsic value, and remains patient when attractive opportunities are scarce. Most importantly, capital allocation is not a supporting function at Fairfax. It is central to the business model. 4. Study the Culture Watsa thinks and acts like an owner. Most of his net worth remains invested alongside shareholders, creating strong alignment between management and owners. Fairfax's communications consistently emphasize long-term value creation, capital allocation, and per-share results. The organization is also highly decentralized. Operating managers are given significant autonomy, headquarters remains lean, and decision-making is pushed down to the operating level. These are characteristics Thorndike repeatedly observed among his Outsider CEOs. 5. Assess Temperament Perhaps the strongest similarity is temperament. Throughout its history, Fairfax has repeatedly made decisions that were unpopular, unconventional, or early. The company expanded aggressively during soft insurance markets, invested heavily in Eurobank when Greece was deeply out of favour, shortened bond duration ahead of rising rates, and repurchased shares aggressively when Fairfax traded at a substantial discount to intrinsic value. These decisions reflected a willingness to follow the economics rather than the crowd. That willingness to be different is one of the defining characteristics of an Outsider. Verdict Thorndike's framework was designed to identify exceptional capital allocators. When Fairfax is evaluated through that lens, the similarities are difficult to ignore. The company is focused on long-term value per share. Capital allocation sits at the centre of the corporate strategy. Management behaves like owners. The culture is decentralized. Decision-making is rational, opportunistic, long-term in nature, and often unconventional. Most importantly, the results are consistent with the framework. Over four decades, Fairfax has compounded shareholder wealth at approximately 19% annually while displaying many of the same behaviours Thorndike observed in his original group of Outsider CEOs. Performance alone does not make a company an Outsider. What distinguished Thorndike's CEOs was the combination of exceptional results, disciplined capital allocation, shareholder alignment, rational decision-making, and the temperament to act differently when circumstances demanded it. By that standard, Prem Watsa and Fairfax belong in the conversation. Fairfax's forty-year record places it firmly in the same league as the companies profiled in The Outsiders. And when evaluated against the framework Thorndike developed, Prem Watsa and Fairfax appear to check virtually every box. If The Outsiders were written today, Fairfax would be difficult to leave out. P.S. In 2015, when asked to identify contemporary CEOs who fit the Outsider mold, William Thorndike included Prem Watsa and Fairfax among his examples (Talks at Google, approximately the 31:15 mark). More than a decade later, the evidence appears considerably stronger.
Viking Posted Thursday at 06:38 PM Posted Thursday at 06:38 PM The key to understanding Fairfax over the past 5 years has been following their capital allocation decisions. Not the historical operating metrics. One reveals the future. The other communicates the past. This is as true today as it was in 2020. Many of the traits that Thordike identified that make a successful CEO also - not surprisingly - make a successful investor. Such as "think independently."
Hoodlum Posted Thursday at 07:15 PM Posted Thursday at 07:15 PM 1 hour ago, Viking said: The Outsiders - by William Thorndike: In Search of the Great CEO, Company and Stock - Part II Part II has three components: Conclusion to the article above Appendix: The Outsider Paradox - Top Performance, Cheapest Stock Applying the Outsider Framework to Prem Watsa and Fairfax ------------- The Search for the Next Outsider For investors, the enduring value of The Outsiders is not the stories of eight exceptional CEOs. It is the framework Thorndike developed for identifying them. 1. Start With the Objective The Outsiders focused on a single goal: maximizing long-term value per share. They did not optimize for revenue growth, earnings growth, corporate size, or prestige. Every important decision was evaluated through the lens of whether it increased value on a per-share basis. 2. Evaluate Capital Allocation Capital allocation was their defining skill. How has management invested cash flow? When have they repurchased shares? Have acquisitions been disciplined? Was debt used prudently? Have they issued equity intelligently? Over time, a surprisingly small number of decisions can have an outsized impact on shareholder returns. 3. Look for the Right Principles The Outsiders followed a remarkably consistent playbook. They focused on cash flow rather than accounting earnings, thought independently, repurchased shares aggressively when undervalued, remained patient with acquisitions, and used leverage selectively and intelligently. These principles shaped both operating performance and capital allocation. 4. Study the Culture The Outsiders built decentralized organizations that empowered managers, encouraged entrepreneurship, and rewarded owner-like behaviour. Headquarters remained lean, bureaucracy was minimized, and decision-making was pushed downward. Over time, this culture became a competitive advantage. 5. Assess Temperament Perhaps the most important factor is temperament. The Outsiders were rational, analytical, patient, independent, and willing to be different. They behaved like owners and made decisions based on facts rather than consensus. Thorndike's most important insight may be that exceptional CEOs often do not look exceptional. They are rarely the most charismatic, visible, or celebrated leaders. In fact, many are overlooked because Wall Street tends to focus on quarterly earnings, operating metrics, and short-term forecasts rather than capital allocation and long-term value creation. The irony is that the characteristics that make Outsider CEOs successful often make them difficult to identify. Their companies can be complex, unconventional, and occasionally misunderstood. Yet those same traits frequently create opportunities for patient investors. More than a decade after its publication, The Outsiders remains one of the most useful frameworks available for identifying exceptional management teams and businesses. The challenge is not finding companies that look successful today. It is identifying management teams that can create extraordinary value per share over the next decade. ----------- Appendix: The Outsider Paradox — Top Performance, Cheapest Stock One of the most surprising findings in The Outsiders is that many of the best-performing companies often traded at lower valuations than their peers. At first glance, this seems illogical. If these CEOs were exceptional capital allocators, shouldn't investors have rewarded them with premium valuations? Often, they did not. Different Objectives The explanation lies in a fundamental mismatch between what Outsider CEOs were trying to achieve and how Wall Street typically evaluates companies. Outsider CEOs focused on maximizing long-term value per share. Wall Street focuses primarily on quarterly results. These are not the same thing. Many of the decisions that create the most value over a decade can make short-term results less predictable. Share repurchases, acquisitions, asset sales, tax strategies, balance sheet decisions, and opportunistic investments often take years before their full impact becomes visible. As a result, Outsider-led companies frequently looked different from their peers. They were often more complex, more opportunistic, and less concerned with meeting quarterly expectations. Most importantly, they refused to manage their businesses for appearances. The Capital Allocation Blind Spot Wall Street's analytical framework naturally emphasizes variables that can be measured and modeled quarter by quarter: revenue growth, margins, earnings, underwriting results, and other operating metrics. Capital allocation is different. Its impact is often measured over five or ten years, not five or ten weeks. Yet Thorndike's research suggests that capital allocation decisions frequently have a greater influence on long-term shareholder returns than operating decisions. This creates an uncomfortable reality: one of the most important drivers of long-term performance is also one of the hardest things to analyze. As a result, it often receives less attention than it deserves. Why Discounts Persisted Wall Street prefers businesses that are simple, predictable, conventional, and easy to model. Many Outsider companies were the opposite. Their structures were more complex. Their strategies were unconventional. Their results could be lumpy. And their CEOs typically spent little time cultivating analysts, investors, or the financial media because they viewed those activities as a poor use of time. As a result, these companies were frequently misunderstood, occasionally controversial, and periodically out of favour. That often led to valuations that failed to reflect the quality of the underlying business. The Final Twist Ironically, undervaluation often became another source of shareholder returns. A misunderstood company frequently has a cheap stock. And a cheap stock gives a skilled capital allocator the opportunity to repurchase shares at highly attractive prices. The very characteristics that made Outsider companies difficult for Wall Street to understand often became an additional driver of long-term performance. That is the Outsider Paradox. The qualities that helped these CEOs generate extraordinary long-term returns were often the same qualities that caused their companies to trade at discounts in the first place. In many cases, those discounts did not hinder shareholder returns. They amplified them. ------------- Applying the Outsider Framework to Prem Watsa and Fairfax The value of The Outsiders lies in the framework. William Thorndike identified a set of characteristics that repeatedly appeared in exceptional CEOs and capital allocators. The obvious question for investors is whether those same characteristics can be found in companies today. Fairfax Financial provides an interesting case study. 1. Start with the Objective For more than four decades, Fairfax has focused on growing long-term value per share rather than maximizing earnings, revenue, or corporate size. The results speak for themselves. Fairfax has compounded its share price at approximately 19% annually (US$, including dividends) over forty years. Like the Outsiders, management appears to measure success by the value created for each share rather than the growth of the enterprise itself. This distinction may sound subtle, but it influences every important capital allocation decision the company makes. 2. Evaluate Capital Allocation This is Watsa's defining strength. Thorndike's Outsiders viewed capital allocation as their most important responsibility. Fairfax operates much the same way. Over the past decade, capital has been allocated across insurance operations, fixed income, equities, acquisitions, divestitures, and share repurchases with unusual flexibility and discipline. Larger recent examples include: Acquiring Brit, Allied World, and other insurance businesses during a soft insurance market, effectively doubling the size of the insurance platform. Selling ICICI Lombard in 2017 while simultaneously seeding Digit Insurance, a move that transformed one successful investment into another. Expanding aggressively during the hard insurance market from 2019 to 2025, roughly doubling the size of the insurance business again. Initiating Fairfax total return swaps in late 2020 and early 2021, gaining exposure to 1.96 million Fairfax shares at an average cost of approximately $373 per share. Reducing bond duration ahead of the sharp rise in interest rates in 2022, protecting book value while positioning the company to benefit from higher reinvestment yields. Selling the pet insurance business in 2022 for $1.3 billion, generating an after-tax gain of approximately $1.0 billion. Repurchasing 7.1 million shares over the past 8.25 years, reducing the share count by 25.7%. Holding Eurobank through a multi-year recovery, generating approximately $4.8 billion of value. Monetizing a portion of the Poseidon/Seaspan investment in 2026, realizing an $837 million gain after years of patient ownership. Another characteristic that stands out is Fairfax's willingness to partner with talented operators and capital allocators and then give them significant autonomy. Like many of Thorndike's Outsiders, Watsa appears more interested in allocating capital than managing day-to-day operations. 3. Look for the Right Principles Fairfax consistently exhibits many of the principles Thorndike identified. Management thinks independently, acts opportunistically, focuses on economic value rather than accounting optics, repurchases shares when they trade below intrinsic value, and remains patient when attractive opportunities are scarce. Most importantly, capital allocation is not a supporting function at Fairfax. It is central to the business model. 4. Study the Culture Watsa thinks and acts like an owner. Most of his net worth remains invested alongside shareholders, creating strong alignment between management and owners. Fairfax's communications consistently emphasize long-term value creation, capital allocation, and per-share results. The organization is also highly decentralized. Operating managers are given significant autonomy, headquarters remains lean, and decision-making is pushed down to the operating level. These are characteristics Thorndike repeatedly observed among his Outsider CEOs. 5. Assess Temperament Perhaps the strongest similarity is temperament. Throughout its history, Fairfax has repeatedly made decisions that were unpopular, unconventional, or early. The company expanded aggressively during soft insurance markets, invested heavily in Eurobank when Greece was deeply out of favour, shortened bond duration ahead of rising rates, and repurchased shares aggressively when Fairfax traded at a substantial discount to intrinsic value. These decisions reflected a willingness to follow the economics rather than the crowd. That willingness to be different is one of the defining characteristics of an Outsider. Verdict Thorndike's framework was designed to identify exceptional capital allocators. When Fairfax is evaluated through that lens, the similarities are difficult to ignore. The company is focused on long-term value per share. Capital allocation sits at the centre of the corporate strategy. Management behaves like owners. The culture is decentralized. Decision-making is rational, opportunistic, long-term in nature, and often unconventional. Most importantly, the results are consistent with the framework. Over four decades, Fairfax has compounded shareholder wealth at approximately 19% annually while displaying many of the same behaviours Thorndike observed in his original group of Outsider CEOs. Performance alone does not make a company an Outsider. What distinguished Thorndike's CEOs was the combination of exceptional results, disciplined capital allocation, shareholder alignment, rational decision-making, and the temperament to act differently when circumstances demanded it. By that standard, Prem Watsa and Fairfax belong in the conversation. Fairfax's forty-year record places it firmly in the same league as the companies profiled in The Outsiders. And when evaluated against the framework Thorndike developed, Prem Watsa and Fairfax appear to check virtually every box. If The Outsiders were written today, Fairfax would be difficult to leave out. P.S. In 2015, when asked to identify contemporary CEOs who fit the Outsider mold, William Thorndike included Prem Watsa and Fairfax among his examples (Talks at Google, approximately the 31:15 mark). More than a decade later, the evidence appears considerably stronger. Thanks @Viking for sharing this. I just listened to some of the Google video of William Thorndike and will view the rest when I have more time.
Maverick47 Posted Thursday at 07:30 PM Posted Thursday at 07:30 PM 1 hour ago, Viking said: Thorndike's search ultimately identified eight extraordinary CEOs: Tom Murphy — Capital Cities Broadcasting Henry Singleton — Teledyne Bill Anders — General Dynamics John Malone — TCI Katharine Graham — Washington Post Bill Stiritz — Ralston Purina Dick Smith — General Cinema Warren Buffett — Berkshire Hathaway @Viking — very opportune overview of Thorndike’s work. I couldn’t help notice that perhaps an additional reason Buffett makes the list in part is that as a capital allocator, he allocated some of Berkshire’s capital to companies headed by two others on the list — Katherine Graham and Tom Murphy. It certainly doesn’t hurt to allocate some of one’s own capital to other masters of capital allocation.
Viking Posted Thursday at 07:43 PM Posted Thursday at 07:43 PM (edited) 13 minutes ago, Maverick47 said: @Viking — very opportune overview of Thorndike’s work. I couldn’t help notice that perhaps an additional reason Buffett makes the list in part is that as a capital allocator, he allocated some of Berkshire’s capital to companies headed by two others on the list — Katherine Graham and Tom Murphy. It certainly doesn’t hurt to allocate some of one’s own capital to other masters of capital allocation. @Maverick47, I agree. Thorndike's book is insightful in so many different ways. Fairfax also seems to have figured out in recent years the “other masters of capital allocation.” They are partnered with a pretty talented group. Another interesting angle: success begets success. In important respects, Fairfax is just getting started. When you do capital allocation well, compounding and time becomes even more powerful… that whole snowball thing. Edited Thursday at 07:44 PM by Viking
Maverick47 Posted Thursday at 07:46 PM Posted Thursday at 07:46 PM 1 hour ago, Viking said: P.S. In 2015, when asked to identify contemporary CEOs who fit the Outsider mold, William Thorndike included Prem Watsa and Fairfax among his examples (Talks at Google, approximately the 31:15 mark). More than a decade later, the evidence appears considerably stronger. One comment of his that hasn’t aged well since Thorndike’s Google talk was the inclusion of Mike Pearson of Valeant on his shortlist of potential future outsiders. Just a lesson to myself and folks such as Bill Ackman that it can be difficult to ensure one is partnering with a true Outsider who belongs on the all time great list. My sister actually was working in cost accounting for Valeant shortly before the company imploded. She had left with a lot of company stock and options, after being emotionally exhausted by the high pressure of the work, and called asking me for advice of what to do with her investments. I looked into some of the financials of the company and couldn’t understand how they were viewed so positively by the market. They would continually turn negative GAAP earnings into adjusted operating profits as far as I could tell, and I wasn’t impressed with Pearson’s on camera interviews when he was touting his attempt to take over Allergan. I wasn’t seeing what Ackman thought he was seeing when he described Valeant as the next Berkshire Hathaway. Maybe that’s why I’m skeptical of Ackman’s latest attempt to create his own Berkshire like vehicle. My sister transitioned into a less stressful though also less remunerative position and also converted her Valeant investments and options into investments in Berkshire, Fairfax and Markel among others, with Fairfax alone making up about 50% of the total these days.
dartmonkey Posted Thursday at 07:48 PM Posted Thursday at 07:48 PM (edited) 5 hours ago, patterson said: Although Fairfax's fixed income duration is much shorter than its peers and will be hurt less by rising rates (not to mention how Bradstreet and team are poised to take advantage), Fairfax marks its bonds to market under IFRS accounting standards, while GAAP insurers do not. Also, Fairfax has more fixed income investments per share than its peers, which magnifies these temporary accounting losses. I'm not sure of either these points. IFRS does require bonds to be marked to market, which means Fairfax would take a hit when interest rates increase, as they have (modestly). But as you say, the effect is not large, because of their short average duration, and in any case, its future liabilities also decrease because they are discounted at the new, higher rates, so my understanding is that it's mostly a wash. As for their fixed income portfolio, they typically invest their float in fixed income, but so do most insurance companies. The distinction with Fairfax is that they invest their equity in stocks and associate and consolidated non-insurance investments, providing for a higher return. Compared to other companies, they do not have more fixed income; float is 1.1x equity for Fairfax, for instance, and 1.3x at Impact, according to the RBC Capital Markets table that Safety has often posted here. So if anything, Fairfax is more diversified away from fixed income and should be less affected by bond rate increases, not more. But I would be curious to hear whether others here agree with this analysis. Edited Thursday at 10:02 PM by dartmonkey
Viking Posted Thursday at 07:55 PM Posted Thursday at 07:55 PM 2 minutes ago, dartmonkey said: I'm not sure of either these points. IFRS does mark its bonds to market under IFRS, which means it will take a hit when interest rates increase, as they have (modestly). But as you say, the effect is not large, because of their short average duration, and in any case, its future liabilities also decrease because they are discounted at the new, higher rates, so my understanding is that it's mostly a wash. As for their fixed income portfolio, they typically invest their float in fixed income, but so do most insurance companies. The distinction with Fairfax is that they invest their equity in stocks and associate and consolidated non-insurance investments, providing for a higher return. Compared to other companies, they do not have more fixed income; float is 1.1x equity for Fairfax, for instance, and 1.3x at Impact, according to the RBC Capital Markets table that Safety has often posted here. So if anything, Fairfax is more diversified away from fixed income and should be less affected by bond rate increases, not more. But I would be curious to hear whether others here agree with this analysis. In a rising interest rate environment, duration matters. Having a short duration portfolio results in a smaller hit to the balance sheet (than having a longer duration portfolio). I really like how Fairfax is positioned today with its bond portfolio.
CharlesMunger Posted Thursday at 07:59 PM Posted Thursday at 07:59 PM Are higher interest rates a net negative in the short term for Fairfax and positive sometime out?
TG Posted Thursday at 08:13 PM Posted Thursday at 08:13 PM 9 minutes ago, Viking said: In a rising interest rate environment, duration matters. Having a short duration portfolio results in a smaller hit to the balance sheet (than having a longer duration portfolio). I really like how Fairfax is positioned today with its bond portfolio. I'm always interested as to how the markets perceive this personally. Ranked by duration, I would reckon it goes Berkshire < Fairfax < Markel. Whereas rising rates will (temporarily) flow through as unrealized loss in in BVPS, eventually they will lead to higher interest income. So usually we're talking about a paper loss but the rolling of the portfolio into higher yielding securities I would consider beneficial (depends ofc. too on what end of curve). It's just one of the reasons why I feel BVPS or P/B can be a bit flawed personally, also because it doesn't reflect float. Curious as to how you see this!
dartmonkey Posted Thursday at 09:09 PM Posted Thursday at 09:09 PM 1 hour ago, CharlesMunger said: Are higher interest rates a net negative in the short term for Fairfax and positive sometime out? It's a good question. I would venture that they are negative in the very short term, but no more so than for other insurance companies. In the medium term, they are good for all insurance companies, but in that sense, maybe not so good for Fairfax, since so much of its investments are NOT in fixed income. Higher bond rates would probably end up driving up combined ratios, as all insurance companies would be making more income investing their float. So low bond rates and good stock returns is probably a better environment for Fairfax.
patterson Posted Thursday at 09:17 PM Posted Thursday at 09:17 PM 1 hour ago, dartmonkey said: I'm not sure of either these points. IFRS does mark its bonds to market under IFRS, which means it will take a hit when interest rates increase, as they have (modestly). But as you say, the effect is not large, because of their short average duration, and in any case, its future liabilities also decrease because they are discounted at the new, higher rates, so my understanding is that it's mostly a wash. As for their fixed income portfolio, they typically invest their float in fixed income, but so do most insurance companies. The distinction with Fairfax is that they invest their equity in stocks and associate and consolidated non-insurance investments, providing for a higher return. Compared to other companies, they do not have more fixed income; float is 1.1x equity for Fairfax, for instance, and 1.3x at Impact, according to the RBC Capital Markets table that Safety has often posted here. So if anything, Fairfax is more diversified away from fixed income and should be less affected by bond rate increases, not more. But I would be curious to hear whether others here agree with this analysis. Thanks, dartmonkey. Regarding the second point as to fixed income per share, I'll use Chubb as a comparison. CB has 80+ percent of its investments in fixed income, which works out to about $353 per CB share (or 1.08x its current share price). Fairfax has only about 62 percent of its investments in fixed income and cash, but this works out to $2119 per FRFHF share (or 1.29x the current share price). Further, because of the IFRS vs. GAAP difference, these losses show up as a temporary hit to Fairfax's net income, but not Chubb's, even though Chubb's fixed income duration is between 4.5 and 5 years vs. Fairfax's 2.5 to 3 years. None of this should really matter because like I said, these are only temporary accounting losses and Fairfax is positioned to take advantage of higher rates, but the market does seem to care and want to punish Fairfax more than its peers in the short term. As an example, just look at how we sold off more than 5 percent the day after Q1 earnings when it was a good quarter otherwise.
Viking Posted Thursday at 10:21 PM Posted Thursday at 10:21 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, CharlesMunger said: Are higher interest rates a net negative in the short term for Fairfax and positive sometime out? That is how I look at it. I think higher interest rates were a modest headwind to Q1 results. The benefit from IFRS < the hit to the carrying value of the bonds (please correct me if this is wrong). Higher interest rates means investment that roll off can be reinvested at higher rates (than what was available 6 months ago when rates were materially lower and expected to go lower). This is a positive for interest income. Although the actual impact on interest income depends on the rate that was being earned on the bonds that are rolling off. Another important consideration is the bigger picture. Higher bond yields likely impacts pricing in the insurance market - in a bad way (accelerates the soft market). The bottom line, there are many variables at play. Sometimes the result is a tailwind. Other times it is a headwind. What matters is how they sum together. And then of course, timeframe matters. What is a headwind this quarter might turn into a tailwind looking out 1 or 2 years. It is very difficult for an investor to understand/model all of the puts and takes. Of course, Fairfax does this. As a result, it really boils down to "Do you trust management?" I do today. (For those who think have blinders on I didn't from about 2012 to 2019. I try and be as fact based as possible.) Edited Thursday at 10:23 PM by Viking
Maverick47 Posted Thursday at 11:11 PM Posted Thursday at 11:11 PM 1 hour ago, patterson said: Thanks, dartmonkey. Regarding the second point as to fixed income per share, I'll use Chubb as a comparison. CB has 80+ percent of its investments in fixed income, which works out to about $353 per CB share (or 1.08x its current share price). Fairfax has only about 62 percent of its investments in fixed income and cash, but this works out to $2119 per FRFHF share (or 1.29x the current share price). Further, because of the IFRS vs. GAAP difference, these losses show up as a temporary hit to Fairfax's net income, but not Chubb's, even though Chubb's fixed income duration is between 4.5 and 5 years vs. Fairfax's 2.5 to 3 years. None of this should really matter because like I said, these are only temporary accounting losses and Fairfax is positioned to take advantage of higher rates, but the market does seem to care and want to punish Fairfax more than its peers in the short term. As an example, just look at how we sold off more than 5 percent the day after Q1 earnings when it was a good quarter otherwise. Good point, @patterson. I think the market overreacted to the Q1 earnings. The current price is an attractive entry point for those looking to acquire a solid long term investment, as well as a great opportunity for continued retirement of shares by the company itself. Thanks for the comparison with Chubb as well. I am currently quite happy to own more Fairfax, with just a bit of CB via Berkshire’s investment in same…
SafetyinNumbers Posted yesterday at 01:14 AM Posted yesterday at 01:14 AM 2 hours ago, Maverick47 said: Good point, @patterson. I think the market overreacted to the Q1 earnings. The current price is an attractive entry point for those looking to acquire a solid long term investment, as well as a great opportunity for continued retirement of shares by the company itself. Thanks for the comparison with Chubb as well. I am currently quite happy to own more Fairfax, with just a bit of CB via Berkshire’s investment in same… Quants are very focused on EPS misses, beats and momentum. FFH reported its lowest quarterly earnings in two years in Q1. Combined with the downward price momentum, it’s a selloff made from algos.
SafetyinNumbers Posted yesterday at 01:22 AM Posted yesterday at 01:22 AM 5 hours ago, TG said: I'm always interested as to how the markets perceive this personally. Ranked by duration, I would reckon it goes Berkshire < Fairfax < Markel. Whereas rising rates will (temporarily) flow through as unrealized loss in in BVPS, eventually they will lead to higher interest income. So usually we're talking about a paper loss but the rolling of the portfolio into higher yielding securities I would consider beneficial (depends ofc. too on what end of curve). I think part of the reason to keep low duration is for the optionality on the market hardening because long rates went up too fast like in 2022. It’s not worth giving up the optionality if they are not getting paid for it. My guess is they are rolling maturities into 2-3 year bonds which yield pretty close to the 5 year.
Crip1 Posted yesterday at 01:51 AM Posted yesterday at 01:51 AM 6 hours ago, Maverick47 said: My sister transitioned into a less stressful though also less remunerative position and also converted her Valeant investments and options into investments in Berkshire, Fairfax and Markel among others, with Fairfax alone making up about 50% of the total these days. Assuming she selected these investments at your behest, hoping you get a nice bottle or two of your favorite libation for the recommendations. -Crip
Maverick47 Posted yesterday at 03:54 AM Posted yesterday at 03:54 AM 1 hour ago, Crip1 said: Assuming she selected these investments at your behest, hoping you get a nice bottle or two of your favorite libation for the recommendations. -Crip She did treat me to a great dinner or two over the years! But to be fair, she also had the temperament to leave her portfolio alone even when things may not always have looked as though they were trending steadily upwards and to the right. For the first couple of years before Valeant imploded, her spouse second guessed the decision to dispose of Valeant, as it continued to outperform the replacements. And even her Fairfax investment was underwater about seven years after it was first purchased (right around the time that Prem signaled how undervalued he thought it was by purchasing $150 million for his own account). She didn’t give me any grief when we sold some other names and purchased more Fairfax around the same time. I am glad I never got involved with short selling, as I would have discovered with regard to Valeant the truism that “ the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
Txvestor Posted yesterday at 05:44 AM Posted yesterday at 05:44 AM 8 hours ago, dartmonkey said: It's a good question. I would venture that they are negative in the very short term, but no more so than for other insurance companies. In the medium term, they are good for all insurance companies, but in that sense, maybe not so good for Fairfax, since so much of its investments are NOT in fixed income. Higher bond rates would probably end up driving up combined ratios, as all insurance companies would be making more income investing their float. So low bond rates and good stock returns is probably a better environment for Fairfax. I think rates like now in the 4-5% work out best for them. It's a sort of Goldilocks scenario. As value investors when rates are low and financial liquidity is high they struggle to find good investments and their substantial bond portfolio earns almost nothing. Then if rates go high their equity investments particularly those carrying substantial leverage struggle. You already rightly pointed out the impact on insurance. Current rates work just fine for them.
Txvestor Posted yesterday at 05:57 AM Posted yesterday at 05:57 AM 7 hours ago, Viking said: That is how I look at it. I think higher interest rates were a modest headwind to Q1 results. The benefit from IFRS < the hit to the carrying value of the bonds (please correct me if this is wrong). Higher interest rates means investment that roll off can be reinvested at higher rates (than what was available 6 months ago when rates were materially lower and expected to go lower). This is a positive for interest income. Although the actual impact on interest income depends on the rate that was being earned on the bonds that are rolling off. Another important consideration is the bigger picture. Higher bond yields likely impacts pricing in the insurance market - in a bad way (accelerates the soft market). The bottom line, there are many variables at play. Sometimes the result is a tailwind. Other times it is a headwind. What matters is how they sum together. And then of course, timeframe matters. What is a headwind this quarter might turn into a tailwind looking out 1 or 2 years. It is very difficult for an investor to understand/model all of the puts and takes. Of course, Fairfax does this. As a result, it really boils down to "Do you trust management?" I do today. (For those who think have blinders on I didn't from about 2012 to 2019. I try and be as fact based as possible.) Thanks for that clarification at the end Viking. Because if you frame Watsa and Fairfax in the same lens described by the outsiders book, 2005-2015 would have looked very different to the subsequent decade. Most of us have recognized this change and I can't help but feel perhaps that book may have also had some influence. Either way; having held the stock as a smaller position for much of that time, it was a dog in my portfolio. I started gaining confidence when Watsa unwound the hedges and eventually swore off shorting, at which point I started building my position size. In many ways it's still early innings, if they keep on the current path, and much more value creation lies ahead even if(or maybe I should say especially of) the market hasn't recognized it.
TG Posted yesterday at 08:45 AM Posted yesterday at 08:45 AM 7 hours ago, SafetyinNumbers said: I think part of the reason to keep low duration is for the optionality on the market hardening because long rates went up too fast like in 2022. It’s not worth giving up the optionality if they are not getting paid for it. My guess is they are rolling maturities into 2-3 year bonds which yield pretty close to the 5 year. Thank you! That does make sense, and it's a trade off indeed. I guess the reason Markel has longer duration is they exactly try to match their reserves with their claims. Given they are speciality insurers, that makes them more exposed to a longer tail, hence the longer duration too. While that temporarily hurts the portfolio when rates rise, I somewhat feel fine with it if they can lock in new float at higher rates. The billion dollar question however; how high will rates go from here on
SafetyinNumbers Posted yesterday at 11:01 AM Posted yesterday at 11:01 AM 2 hours ago, TG said: Thank you! That does make sense, and it's a trade off indeed. I guess the reason Markel has longer duration is they exactly try to match their reserves with their claims. Given they are speciality insurers, that makes them more exposed to a longer tail, hence the longer duration too. While that temporarily hurts the portfolio when rates rise, I somewhat feel fine with it if they can lock in new float at higher rates. The billion dollar question however; how high will rates go from here on BRK keeps duration close to zero by rule, MKL keeps it matching claims duration by rule and FFH does whatever makes the most sense at the time. More optionality should be worth more but not how the market looks at things.
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